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Started by Tzahi Drori on Sunday, November 12, 2023
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Hi,
The list of victins here include above 1000 profiles which D year for them is above 1946.
They probably belong to https://www.geni.com/projects/Holocaust-Survivors/2509 project and not to this project.

Please check these profiles and make the necessary changes

How do you find them? Is there a way to search by D date?

Hi Dovid, There may be an easier way but here is now I just did it.
Click on "Project Profiles", then on "show advanced controls", expand "Events", scroll down to death, change circa to "after", and enter 1946. Click Update List.
This will list all those with a death year of 1946 or later. I see 1019, latest death is 2022...
No doubt some folks did not understand what this project is.
On the other hand, 1000 is 0.5% of the profiles, so 99.5% are accurate...

…and 16 victims are still alive (as my search found)

Looking at some of those who died after 1946, I see that a good number of them were added in the last week.
So, it seems that if this not stopped now, we will be looking at 2000 soon.
One way is to write to those who added profiles wrongly. But that is hard work.
Maybe as a first step the project name can be changed from "Victims of the Nazi Holocaust" to "Victims of the Nazi Holocaust (1939-1945)".
Maybe that will stop people from adding folks who died later.

Don't those who survived the Holocaust (for example, residents of besieged Leningrad) belong to the victims of the Holocaust?

The Holocaust: The persecution and mass extermination of Jews who lived in Germany, on the territory of its allies and in the territories occupied by them during World War II (Wikipedia)

And the survivors of being in a Nazi concentration camp are not victims of the Holocaust?

Currently doing deeper historical dive and we don't know how many persons perished during this terrible period. Blacks lived in Europe during the turn of the century and many persons described as gypsies were killed in the 1940s. Really sad that many persons of color perished and my take that number was in the millions and is undocumented

Hi. As you gather your thoughts on this discussion please realize and visualize that if you left Rhodes on a boat full of your neighbors you were a Victim of the Holocaust from that very moment. Either you survived or you were murdered, you were still a Victim.

If you were liberated from a Concentration Camp you were a Victim.

I have already debated this point many times. My additions to the Jews of Rhodes reflect the most inclusive view.

DB

Because the exact date or year of many Holocaust era deaths is not known, many deaths were not recorded until after the war when confirmed by relatives and acquaintances. The introduction shoould be revised as necessary to clarify this issue

I am doing further research on those considered "gypsies" - all persons of color who died in the Holocaust. All creeds and races are respected BUT and this is a big BUT i dont think black Jews/ persons of color who perished during this terrible decade - are recognized enough. We dont know the numbers and i pray to the Good Lord to help me with my quest to find out just how many blacks/ persons of color died during the 1930s to 1940s in Europe. Feel free to reach out to me by email or WhatsApp- +48 608 274 583.

Leonid Semenov (GENI Curator RU) Surely anyone who experienced the atrocities is a victim in the technical sense but that is not the intent of purpose of this project, which is why there is a apostate project for survivors. There are also those such as my aunt who died a young woman a few years after the holocaust, but I still don't think she belongs in this project.

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To find them : 1. press on the victims list. You will get full list and an advence search section on the left side of the page. 2. select "D year" - AFTER 1946 and you will get the list.

The question is whether we should include in the project just those who lost their lives in the holocaust, or all holocaust victims.

For the last ten or so years, the first paragraph of the project's description was

This project's mission is to list the names of the victims of the Nazis during the Holocaust to show that these victims are not just an anonymous mass, but were, and some still are, millions of human beings with names, relationships and personal biographies.

I interpret the words "and some still are" to intend "all holocaust victims, regardless of how/when they died".

Perhaps we should change it to "and a few still are".

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