Bohemian Jews

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Private User
Today at 9:41 AM

Seeing some profiles who I don't believe are Bohemian, plus many of the names listed are clearly German. For example, how is Rabbi Joseph Krauskopf Bohemian American. He was born in Prussia, now Poland, he has a very German family name. https://www.geni.com/people/Rabbi-Joseph-Krauskopf/600000002044942966

Today at 10:09 AM

My Jewish family in south Bohemia in the 18th to 19th centuries all had German names and family lore is that they spoke German as well as Czech. I think this was typical. The only Czech name I’ve encountered in the records was a midwife who was probably not Jewish. There are some surviving letters written in high German using Hebrew script.

Private User
Today at 10:55 AM

That profile has been deleted, so I can't answer the question of whether the inclusion of Rabbi Joseph Krauskopf (whoever he was) in this project was correct or erroneous.

However, Howard Bregman's reasoning is ill-informed. First, as Haakon Chevalier points out, most Jewish families in Bohemia had German names (my own, for example); so the idea of ruling out a surname because it is "very German" is baseless. Second, as regards the surname "Krauskopf" in particular, it occurs in no fewer than seven Familiant books, according to a search at JewishGen; so there is no doubt that it was a surname borne by Bohemian Jews. Rabbi Krauskopf may have been a descendant of one of the listed Familianten.

Private User
Today at 11:01 AM

My mistake, here is the correct link: Rabbi Joseph Krauskopf

Private User
Today at 11:05 AM

I am not saying that because he had a German name, he could not have been Bohemian. However, I see no evidence in his profile or his heritage that his family was Bohemian, only that he happened to have a name that in some cases were Bohemian Jews.

Before you immediately claim I am ill-informed or my claims are baseless, take a moment.

Today at 11:12 AM

Bohemian Jews were predominantly German speaking and while from the end of the 19th century many switched to Czech language these were probably not the majority. As to the antecedents if this one profile there is nothing on geni concerning his matrineal line, in the areas of north/northwest Bohemia where my grandfather's father came from Czech soeakers were maybe 5% of the population generally before the post-war period, ( my grandfather's mother came from Lissa in Posen tgis does not mean that her husband was not a Bohemian Jew, and while her son, my grandfather, was born in Prague he lived most of his life in Breslau before fleeing to Shanghai, -should I remove him from the project as well? (Bohemian father but not mother only lived in Prague until 4 years old... can you sort this out for me Howard? Does my grandfather qualify?)
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Private User
Today at 11:13 AM

Thanks for the correct link. There is certainly nothing in the profile or the associated ones to justify inclusion of this profile in the project. Rabbi Krauskopf, as you say, was born in Ostrow; his father---the only parent named in the profile---is also said to have been born there; his two wives and all his children were born in the U.S.; so, in sum, no connection with Bohemia whatever.

I'm trying to remove the profile from the project but can't find an easy way of doing it.

Private User
Today at 11:18 AM

PS. Mr. Bregman, I did not say that your claim was baseless but that your reasoning was so---as indeed it was. You gave the fact that Rabbi Krauskopf had "a very German family name" as a reason for concluding that he was not of Bohemian origin: that is a non sequitur. The fact that he was born in Prussia or Poland is relevant; the fact that he was named "Krauskopf" is not.

Private User
Today at 11:26 AM

I had to try several different methods of search to get the profile to appear in the project so that I could remove it, but it has now been removed. It's ridiculous that you cannot search for a profile by name but only by dates and places; and when I looked for the profile according to Rabbi K.'s place of birth, I could not get any search results!

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