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Started by Jeff Keith Prevéy on Tuesday, January 23, 2024
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This is the full list of Jeff Keith Prevéy actons (and persons' profiles), reported by GENI:
Jeff Keith Prevéy объединил дубликаты профилей Anna M (Annie) Moloughney, Catherine Moloughney, Elizabeth Hawley (Moloughney), Ellen (Nellie) Moloughney, Margaret Moloughney, Mary Moloughney, Dan Moloughney, James Moloughney, Patrick (Pat) Moloughney и William (Bill) Moloughney « меньше
Jeff Keith Prevéy изменил профиль John Francis Hawley.
Jeff Keith Prevéy объединил дубликаты профилей John Francis Hawley, Elizabeth Hawley (Moloughney), Anna Florence Scott (Hawley), Elizabeth Gertrude Dunn (Hawley), Ellen Hawley, Margaret L. Walsh (Hawley), Mary Agnes Scott (Hawley), Michael Edward Hawley, Roderick Joseph Hawley, Michael John (Mick) Moloughney, Ellen (Murphy) Moloughney и Michael Moloughney « меньше

I ask GENI curators to reverse actions of Jeff Keith Prevéy - unmerge all these profiles and restore previous information for those ones which now is disappeared.

I just looked at the first one, and it looked like they were the same.

Are you asking to have them unmerged because they are not profiles of the same profile,
Or for some other reason?

I ask ti unmerge all these profiles in the list, because procedure of merging made by mr. Prevey resulted in loss of more exact and more complete information that was gathered. I ask to unmerge every profile and RETURN information contained in every profile before the merge procedure. I supposr that merge procedures can perform creators and managers of specific profile, because they are concerning about information unlike outsiders, for whom numerous merges of uninvolved profiles are simple entertainment. Excuse me, English is not my native language. Hope you understood me. Help me not to lose my work and time.

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Merge is designed to not lose any data or information.
Where the two versions being merged have different data in the Fields, the data in the Primary Profile is displayed on the Profile - but both sets of data are displayed in the Data Conflict Resolution Screen
I am guessing you dio not know about the DATA CONFLICT RESOLUTION SCREEN.
See
https://help.geni.com/hc/en-us/articles/229705487-What-are-data-con...

Knowing about it, is all well now?

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UNMERGING OFTEN INTRODUCES PROBLEMS. Documents end up tagged to the wrong version, and I am not sure what all else.
Merge is a very good program.
Unmerge is not close to perfected.

Private User when you think a profile has complete information and it meets the requirements (see first post in https://www.geni.com/discussions/272715) you can ask to have it made a MP profile with locked fields. See also https://help.geni.com/hc/en-us/articles/229704047-What-is-a-Master-...

Unmerging should not be done for profiles for the same person but only for merging of profiles for different persons.

Like Lois explained it is far from perfect and will create new problems in most cases (especially when there where actions on the profile after the merge)

Geni wants duplicates to be merged and conflicts to be resolved.

Private User - please either just type my first name or tag me - and tagging will never work if you type more than just my first name - so never type more than just my first name.
(The best way to tag is to copy and paste the profile's URL)

Because of the settings I have chosen, if I am tagged, anyone not logged in to Geni just sees me as Private User. Also google does not find my name when I am tagged. Typing more than just my first name is a major invasion of my privacy.

Feel free to copy your message iver, paste, correct how you are listing my name, and then save. And then delete the version where you typed more than just my first name.
If you do that, I will attempt to read thru the rest of what you had to say.

"Iver" is typo - should be "over"

Dear Lois, you wrote "Unmerging often introduces problems", but I and everybody can see that sloppy and hasty merges made by person who performs dozens similar actions every day (see his "Recent Activity") ALWAYS brought me problems on over twenty profiles. There were consistent datasets which I found in Internet and I was sure to trust it.
But now you propose me twenty "DATA CONFLICT RESOLUTION SCREENS". Are you really sure it's better for me and for creators of Primary Profiles - to spend excessive time of life to clear up a bunch of contradictions, which was created by a narrow-minded person who didn’t even realize what he had done with numerous profiles.
When I create profile of person who linked to my relatives, I keep in mind and wait the moment when more experienced and informed user of GENI will decide to OFFER me the merger our variants of somebody's profile, CHECK data and come to agreement. But I believe I have the right to reject a disservice ("assistance of bear" in russian - originated in "L’Ours & l’Amateur des jardins" of Jean de La Fontaine) of outlier that creates problems for everyone involved.
I have problems generated by dimwitted merge and I think that return to previous state will eliminate these problems.
Can you or other representative of GENI curators do the procedure of return to pevious state of affected profiles?
Merge is a really very good program. Clever merge is, not silly one.
Sincerely yours, Victor Khrabrov

Victor -

1) re: " I and everybody can see that sloppy and hasty merges made by person who performs dozens similar actions every day (see his "Recent Activity") ALWAYS brought me problems on over twenty profiles"
Nope. I looked at several and they all looked good? So not everybody sees whatever it is you think is there.
Choose three that display what you are talking about - provide the link to each of those 3 and I will look and let you know if I can see it there.

2) there is no such thing as "creators of Primary Profile" -- there are just Profiles, and when it is discovered that two of them are profiles of the same person, then they are supposed to be merged.
The person doing the merging does not control which is Primary. When you click to Compare the two that are a suggested Match, the one shown on the left is the one Geni's algorithm has chosen for Primary.
If the two really were the same person, then the merge is good.
The Data Conflict Resolution Screen was purposely created - I am sorry you hate the way Geni's programmers chose to have Geni work, but the problem here is not something Jeff did wrong.

3) re: 'user of GENI will decide to OFFER me the merger " -- the decision on Geni is now and has been that anyone can merge any two Public Profiles on the World Tree. One gets "Yes, merge this profile" NOT "Yes, request to merge..." if both Profiles are Public Profiles on the World Tree. Also if one is not, but you have edit access to it and the other is a Public Profile on the World Tree or if both are ones one has edit access to.
I do not know what you do to "offer the merge" but Geni long ago decided in all those situations I just listed that each Geni user could just decide for themself and merge. Sending a PM to check in might be nice, but certainly not required and very rarely done.

4) " believe I have the right to reject" -- Nope, not on Geni if the profiles really are of the same person. Except if someone created a duplicate of you - that you have final say about. Your wife, your child, your sibling -- if they are not a Geni user and are Private Profiles, then a Manager, someone in the Manager's Family Group or someone in the Max Family of the Profile has to approve it - but it does not have to be you.
If the Profile is Public, no permission is needed.

5) "Can you or other representative of GENI curators do the procedure of return to pevious state of affected profiles?" - no, nobody can.
Geni got unmerge worked out somewhat, but it has never been perfected. It is undoubtedly better to just use the Conflict Resolution Screen than to check every profile to see what if any errors unmerge introduced and then deal with those.

"the decision on Geni is now and has been that anyone can"

Meant to say "and has been for a very long time that" - left out "for a very long time" Sorry.

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