Alice de Stanley

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Sir William Stanley of Stourton (son of Sir John de Stanley and Emma Lathom of Lathom, Lancashire.[1]); his wife was Alice Massey of Timperley, Cheshire. Sir William Stanley was Master-Forester of the Forest of Wirral and was notorious for his repressive activities.

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Family

THE EARLY STANLEYS. BY W. FERGUSSON IRVINE, M.A., F.S.A PDF

The third William de Stanley is much more fully documented than any of his predecessors. If Emma was his mother, as there is every reason to believe, he cannot have been bom earlier than 1310. This would make 1330 the probable date of his marriage, though it was no uncommon thing for a man to marry at eighteen or even seventeen at this time. There is nothing to show whom he married; even the ingenious Helsby cannot supply a name. The Complete Peerage states that William "is said to have married Alice daughter of Hamon (or Hugh) de Mascy of Timperley", but adds, "there appears to be no satisfactory evidence of this marriage".
William had at least two sons and two daughters:

• William (IV) his heir, born 1337, of whom later;
• John, the founder of the line of the earls of Derby, born c. 1340;
• Alice, born probably before the two brothers; Alice's marriage settlement with Ranulf le Roter of Kingsley, dated at Storeton in 1340, is printed by Ormerod (II, 91 and 447); it is probable that this was associated with a child marriage
• and Ellen. Ellen married John, son of Stephen de Merton, in 1359. John de Merton died without issue in 1361 (Orm., II, p. 177).

William (III) died in April 1360 (B.P.R., III, 380).

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This Alice is attached to wrong parents. Her correct parents are Hugh Massy of Timperley and Agnes de Legh/Leigh. - Fixed, June 2021

Birth surname should be Massy. It has also been reported to be:

• Mascey
• Masey
• Massey

Married surname should be de Stanley.

Date and place of birth have been erroneously reported to be circa 1339 at Altrincham, Cheshire, England.

Date and place of marriage to Sir William have also been erroneously reported to be 1357 at Timperley, Cheshire, England.

http://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/zwrk/massie07.php#top [Draft]

• Hugh Massy of Timperley m. Agnes Leigh (dau of John Leigh of Booths)
  • 1. Sir Hamon Massy of Timperley
    • A. Edward Massy of Timperley
      • i. Cicely Massy
  • 2. Alice Massy m. (1336) Sir William Stanley (b 1311, d c1398 or 1360)

http://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/ss4tz/stanley01.php#linkhi

• John de Stanley of Stourton and Stanley (b c1285, d 1346) 'The House of Stanley' identifies John's wife as Emma, dau of Sir Robert de Lathom of Lathom). BP1934, supported by TCP, Ormerod & Visitation (Cheshire, 1580. Pro Stanley de Hooton), identify her as .. m. Mabella Hausket (dau of Sir James Hausket or Hawkset of Stourton Parva)
  • (1) Sir William de Stanley of Stourton and Stanley (b 1311, d c1398 or 1360) m. (1336) Alice Massey (dau of Hamon or Hugh Massey of Timperley)
    • (A) Sir William de Stanley of Stourton, Stanley and Hooton (b 1337, d 1398) This generation is omitted by married Margery de Hooton as brother rather than nephew of the Sir John who was ancestor of the Earls of Derby. m. (1361) Agnes (dau of Henry de Litherled)
    • (B) Sir John de Stanley, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland (b 1340, d before 28.01.1413/4) Visitation (Dugdale, Lancashire, 1664-5, Stanley Earls of Derby) suggests that Sir John was 'of Elford' and was son of Sir John of Elford (by Isabel, dau/coheir of Lord Verdun of Alton, widow of William, Lord Ferrers of Groby), son of John of Elford, younger brother of William of Hooton with bothbeing sons of Sir Thomas (by Margaret,heiress of Hooton) son of William by Joanna Bamvile. We follow our Main Sources for this page. m. (1385) Isabel Lathom (dau of Sir Thomas Lathom of Lathom and Knowsley)
    • C) Henry de Stanley
    • (D) Alice de Stanley m. (1340) Randle le Roter of Kingley
    • (E) Ellen de Stanley m. (1359) John de Merton (dsp 1361)

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• 'Alice Massey1
• F
• Father Hugh/Hamon Massey d. 1353
• Mother Matilda Tymperly d. a 1353
• ' Alice Massey married Sir William Stanley, Lord Stanley and Hooton, son of John Stanley, Lord of Stanley & Stourton and Mabel Hausket. Alice Massey was born at of Timperly & Beckford, Cheshire, England.
• 'Family Sir William Stanley, Lord Stanley and Hooton d. Jun 1398
• Children
  • ◦Henry Stanley
  • ◦Margaret Stanley+ b. c 1315
  • ◦Sir John Stanley, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland+2 b. 1350, d. 6 Jan 1414
  • ◦Sir William Stanley+ b. c 1362, d. Feb 1428
  • ◦Ellin Stanley+ b. c 1375
• ______________________
• 'Alice Massey1
• F, #247572
• Last Edited=16 Oct 2007
• ' Alice Massey is the daughter of Sir Hamon Massey.1 She married William de Stanley, son of John de Stanley and Mabel Hawkset.1
• ' Her married name became de Stanley.1
• 'Children of Alice Massey and William de Stanley
  • 1.Sir John de Stanley+1 d. b 28 Jan 1413/14
  • 2.Sir William de Stanley1
  • 3.Henry de Stanley1
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• 'William De STANLEY (Sir)
• Born: ABT 1319, Storeton, Cheshire, England
• Died: ABT 1398
• Father: John De STANLEY
• Mother: Mabel HAWKSKET
• 'Married: Alice MASSEY (b. ABT 1329) ABT 1357, Timperley, Cheshire, England
• Children:
  • 1. John De STANLEY (Sir Knight Lord Lieutenant of Ireland)
  • 2. Maud De STANLEY (b. ABT 1358)
  • 3. William De STANLEY
  • 4. Henry De STANLEY (b. ABT 1364)
  • 5. Alice De STANLEY
  • 6. Ellen De STANLEY
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their children were

Matilda (c1358), William (1360-1428), John de (1362-1413), Henry (c1364)

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sources

1. Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 1101.
2. Unknown author, The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. XII/1, p. 247; Burke's Peerage, 1938, p. 784; The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, by Ronny O. Bodine, p. 75; Wallop Family, p. 719.
3. Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 677-678.

links

• http://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/zwrk/massie07.php#top (membership required to view without interruption)
• http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STANLEY1.htm#John De STANLEY1
• http://www.thepeerage.com/p24758.htm#i247572
• http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p364.htm#i...
• FamilySearch AFN: 8XKP-XN