Angharad verch Robert

See Darrell Wolcott, http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id92.html -- "The Pedigree of Ednywain Bendew" -- for untangling of these lines. (April 18, 2016, Anne Brannen, curator)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Pedigree of "Ednowain Bendew II"; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id92.html, [#28] , as emended 10/27/17. (Steven Ferry, October 29, 2017.)

From recent correspondence between myself and Darrell Wolcott For some reason the chart in the middle does not show properly unless you are in edit mode. My apologies. (Steven Ferry, October 29, 2017.): Hello Darrell,

Hope all is well with you. I have a question concerning the above named Cynwrig. In Pedigree of “Edwin Bendew II” you show him under person # 44, Robert ap Iorwerth ap Rhiryd, as married to Angharad ferch Robert, and listing his birth as c: 1330. You go on to say that his line descends from Hedd ap Alunog.

In Pedigree of Cynddelw Gam of Ystrad Alun, under person # 273, Dafydd Lloyd ap Gruffudd ap Cadwgan Decca, in discussing that man’s wife, Gwenllian ferch Llewelyn Fychan, you carry her line back to a c: 1300 Cynwrig ap Bleddyn Lloyd ap Bleddyn Fychan, and continuing to Hedd ap Alunog.

Are these two separate men, ostensibly from a cousin line? If so, what is the line between the c: 1330 Cynwrig ap Bleddyn Lloyd and Hedd ap Alunog?

Hi Steve,

          While there were indeed two cousin lines in this family who shared a long string of male names, the Cynwrig ap Bleddyn Llwyd in both the pedigrees you mention is the same man, born c. 1300.  I had long ago moved the Angharad ferch Robert ap Iorwerth who married Cynwrig ap Bleddyn Llwyd from #44 in the Ednowain Bendew II pedigree, to #28, and dated her to c. 1310 rather than c. 1340.  This was a case where both the wife and the husband came from families with same-named cousin branches.  I had not, however, updated the Ednowain pedigree on our website.  

           The Hedd family began their "cuteness" with Gwion, one of 4 sons of Rhiwallon ap Radfarch:

1145 Radfarch ap Asser

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                                                        1175  Rhiwallon

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                 1205  Bleddyn            Cowryd                    Madog             1210  Gwion

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           1240  Bleddyn Fychan                                                            1240  Bleddyn

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             1270  Bleddyn Llwyd                                                          1270  Bleddyn Fychan

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                1300  Cynwrig  (a)                                                         1305  Bleddyn Llwyd

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                                                                                                       1340  Cynwrig (b)

      (a) He married Angharad ferch Robert ap Iorwerth and had sons Gronwy, Hywel and Llewelyn Chwith

      (b) His wife is unknown; he had sons Dafydd, Gruffudd, Gronwy and Llewelyn and daughter Marged.

           Some sources add "Chwith" to his son Llewelyn.

                                                   Cheers, Darrell

PS It would not surprise me if the "Gwion" in this chart was actually a man called Radfarch y wyrion, named the same as his grandfather. And Radfarch might have been a nickname since many sources call him Rhahawd Bach. (Radfarch = cheap or free horse)

       Thanks for your help in spotting problems of consistency between our various papers!