Blanche de Arderne, of Alvanley

Parents

“there also seems confusion regarding the Margery or Blanche who married William Stanley of Hooton. We hope to investigate these matters further in due course.” Detached as daughter of Sir Peter Arderne, Kt. & Cecily de Bredbury, 30 March 2024.

Biography

Blanche Arderne, also seen as Margaret or Margery, married Sir William Stanley, son of Sir William Stanley and Margery de Hooton, in 1402.

Blanche Arderne was born at “of” Elford or Alvanley, Cheshire, England.

Family: Sir William Stanley of Hooton d. 1417

Children

• Isabella Stanley+. Married Robert Legh, Esq., son of Robert Legh and Matilda.
• Maud Stanley+ b. c 1400. Married Sir John Launcelyn, son of William Lancelyn (Launcelyn).
• William Stanley, Esq., Sheriff of Cheshire+2 b. c 1405, d. a 6 Feb 1456. Married Mary Savage, daughter of Sir John Savage.
• Katherine de Stanley+ b. c 1408. Married Ralph Arderne, son of Henry de Arderne and Ellen Whetenhall,
• Margery Stanley+ b. c 1415. Married Thomas Venables, son of William Venables and Blanche.

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Disputed origins

Last updated 30 March 2024

• Seen as daughter of John de Arderne and Margaret Pilkington
• Seen as Margery or Blanche, daughter of Sir Peter Arderne, Kt. and Cecily de Bredbury.
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Arderne-1 Has her “uncertainly” as daughter of Sir John de Arderne, son of Peter & Cecily. (In other words, a generation later.)
• Seen as daughter of Sir John Arderne, Kt. and Ellen Arderne (In other words, a generation earlier.)

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Blanche Arderne1,2

• F, #19344
• Father Sir John de Arderne2 d. 1349
• Mother Elena de Wasteneys2 d. bt 13 Jul 1349 - 23 Dec 1349

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https://cybergata.com/roots/8442.htm

Blanch married Sir William de Stanley Knight, son of Sir William de Stanley Knight and Margaret de Houghton 713,310.,866 (Sir William de Stanley Knight was born in 1386 in Stanley, Staffordshire, England 721 and died in 1427-1428 in England 721.)

~Boyer's Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell, p. 229, she was a widow in 7 Henry VI (1428-1429) 721

~Archaeologia Cambrensis, Vol XIV, 4th Series, 1883, p. 70, In an article titled "Sir William Stnanley" refers to Blanche as either Margaret or Blanche Ardern, daughter of Sir John Arderne of Hawarden or Harden. 864

This is how I figured out just how Blanche Arderne fit into the Arderne family:

The Visitation of Cheshire in the year 1580, 527 p. 18, shows (2)Sir John Arderne, father of (3) Blanche who married William Stanley, to be of Hawarden. He is shown as the son of another (1)Sir John Ardern of Harwarden, and brother and heir to his elder brothers, (2)Walter and (2)Thomas, who both died without issue. Besides having a daughter, (3)Blanche who married William Stanley, (1) Sir John is shown with a son named (3)Hugh Arderne, who has a son (4)Ralph Arderne, married to ______Stanely of Hooton. (4)Ralph Arderne sons shown are (5)Thomas of whom the Arderne of Leicestershire desended, and (5)John married to a daughter of Thomas Davenport.

Comparing this to the pedigree chart given by Ormerod for the Ardernes in History of Cheshire, Vol. II,, 713 pp. 85-86, I find that rather than being named John, there is a (2)Peter, son of (1)John Arderne & Alice Venable daughter of Hugh Venables (his first wife, his third wife, being Ellen Wastney). Peter's half-brothers are (2)Sir Thomas & (2)Walkelyn (Walter) and his other brother is named (2)John, all who died without issue. (2)Peter is married to Cecily, daughter and heiress of Adam de Bredbury (marriage settlement on 5 Edward III). Their son, (3) Hugh de Arderne of Harden whose son, (4) Ralph is married to Katherine, daughter of Sir William Stanely of Hooton, and their sons are, (5) Thomas (Arderne's of Leicestershire) and (5) John who has a son, (6) Ralph who is married to Margaret, daughter of Thomas Davenport.

Comments

See this discussion from < soc.gen.medieval > about the parentage of Blanche Arderne

….If William Stanley was b. c. 1400, then his mother Blanche Arderne could easily be born c. 1370, which would fit the identification of Blanche as daughter Peter de Arderne and Cicely de Bredbury ( see Earwaker, "History of East Cheshire," p. 474).

Origins

https://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/aa/arderne1.php

• (i) Sir John de Arderne of Alford, Alderley and Alvanley (d c1349) m. Alice de Venables (dau of Hugh de Venables of Kinerton by Agatha Vernon)
  • (b) Peter de Arderne of Harden and Alvanley (b 1327, d 1378-9) m. Cicely de Bredbury (dau of Adam de Bredbury of Harden Hall)
    • ((1)) Charles de Arderne of Timperley The following comes from Visitation (Cheshire, 1580, Ardern of Timperley). m. Elizabeth Radcliffe (dau of Richard Radclffe of Timpley, "younger brother of the Tower")
    • ((2)) Hugh de Arderne of Harden Hall (b 1350, d c1420) m1. Agnes de Hulme m2. Cecily de Hyde (dau of Ralph de Hyde)
    • ((3)) John de Arderne [@@ We are concerned about possible confusion between the following Charles of Timplerley and the Charles shown above (who m. Elizabeth Radclyffe). Some web sites show the husband of Cicely de Bredbury as John rather than Peter, shown as father of the above Charles of Timplerley, whilst there also seems confusion regarding the Margery or Blanche who married William Stanley of Hooton. We hope to investigate these matters further in due course.]
    • ((4)) Matilda de Arderne
    • ((5)) Blanche de Arderne m. William Stanley of Hooton probable duplication - see note @@ just above

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The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna Charta, 1215 ... By Frederick Lewis Weis, William Ryland Beall Pg.170 < GoogleBooks >

• 6. SIR JOHN de ARDERNE, KNT., of Alford, Alvanley, Alderley and Elford, b. 1266, d. 1308; m. bef. 1299, Margery, dau. of Griffin ap Madog, Lord of Brimfield. (This marriage does not appear in Bartram.)
  • 7. SIR JOHN de ARDERNE, KNT., of Alford and Enford, d. c. 1349; m. (1) 1307/8, Alice, dau. of Hugh de Venables, Baron of Kinderton.
    • 8. PETER de ARDERNE, of Alvanley and Harden, b. 1327, d. bef. 1378/9; m. Cicely, dau. of Adam de Bradbury, and Cicely his wife
      • 9. HUGH de ARDERNE, of Harden and Alvanley, d. bef. 1423; m. (2) Cicely, dau. of Ralph de Hyde.
        • 10. ALICE ARDERNE; m. c. 1414/15, Christopher Davenport, Esq., of Woodford, b. c. 1394, d. c. 1488, son of Nicholas Davenport.

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Family

• 'William De STANLEY
• Born: ABT 1372, Cheadle, Cheshire, England
• Died: AFT 1425, Hooton, Cheshire, England
• Notes: Was present at Agincourt. Knighted in 1415.
• Father: William De STANLEY
• Mother: Margaret De HOOTON
• 'Married: Margaret (Blanche) ANDERNE ABT 1384, Aldford, Cheshire, England
• Children:
  • 1. William STANLEY of Hooton (Esq.)
  • 2. Catherine STANLEY
  • 3. Elizabeth STANLEY
  • 4. Margery STANLEY
  • 5. Isabel STANLEY
  • 6. George STANLEY
• From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STANLEY4.htm#William De STANLEY5
• "Sir William, the elder brother of John, by Mary Massey was the eighth heir of this house, and succeeded his father Sir William, in honour and estate ; and the tenth of Richard II. he married Margery the only daughter of William de Hooton, of Hooton, in the hundred of Wirral, and county of Chester ; and by her had issue a son, named William; who is stiled Lord of Stanley, Stourton and Hooton, and grand ranger of Wirral, in the county of Chester.
• 'Sir William the son of the aforefaid Sir William, was the ninth heir male of this honourable house, and succeeded his father in honour and estate ; and the fourth of Henry VI. he married Margery the daughter of Sir John Ardern of Hardin, by whom he had issue two sons, William and John."
• From: http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/fulltext/hs173x/p1s01.htm

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References

• Earwaker, John Parsons (1877). East Cheshire, Past and Present or A History of the Hundred of Macclesfield 1877-1880. Volume 1, “Arderne of Harden.” Page 474. < HathiTrust >; < GoogleBooks); and also a snippet at the (document attached). Text: Blanche de Arderne, daughter of Peter de Ardene of Alvanley (d. Bef 1378/9) & his wife Cicely, heiress of Adam de Bredbury. Married to William Stanley of Hooton in Wirral, co. Cheshire (Visit. of Chesh., 1566).
• The visitation of Cheshire in the year 1580 by Glover, Robert, 1544-1588; College of Arms (Great Britain); Flower, William, ca. 1498-1588; Fellows, William; Benolt, Thomas, d. 1534; Chaloner, Thomas, Sir, 1561-1615; Rylands, J. Paul (John Paul), b. 1846 (Publication date 1882). “Ardern of Hawarden als Harden.” Page 17. < Archive.Org > Shows as daughter of John Arderne, son of John Arderne of Hawarden, sister of Hugh.
• Miscellanea Palatina: consisting of genealogical essays illustrative of Cheshire Domesday roll, compiled from original authorities by Ormerod, George, 1785-1873. Page 87. < Archive.Org > IX. Hugh Arderne of Harden and Alvanley, erroneously called son of Sir John de Arderne in the Visitation of 1566, succeeded as son of Piers and Cecilia .…
• https://cybergata.com/roots/8442.htm
• http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p644.htm#i... cites
  • 1.[S5976] Unknown author, Lineage and Ancestry of HRH Prince Charles by Paget, Vol. II, p. 434.
  • 2.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 290-291.
• http://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/ss4tz/stanley03.php
• https://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/aa/arderne1.php
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Arderne-1 cites
  • The Baronetage of England: Or The History of the English Baronets ..., Volume 2 p.273
  • http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STANLEY4.htm#William
• https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00384752&tree=LEO cites
  • 1. [S01232] Fettes, Ian Dundas, _Descendant Story - Gilbert de Venables 2002 . 20
  • 3. [S01536] Earwaker, John Parsons. East Cheshire, Past and Present or A History of the Hundred of Macclesfield 1877-1880. Volume 1, Page 474 < GoogleBooks > Stockport parish, “Arderne of Harden.” Text: Blanche de Arderne, daughter of Peter de Ardene of Alvanley (d. Bef 1378/9) & his wife Cicely, heiress of Adam de Bredbury. Married to William Stanley of Hooton in Wirral, co. Cheshire (Visit. of Chesh., 1566).
• Kent OPC (Online Parish Clerk) tree < link > (shows as daughter of John de Arderne & Margaret Pilkington)
• "Miscellanea Palatina: consisting of genealogical essays illustrative of Cheshire Domesday roll, compiled from original authorities". (1851) III. “Arderne of Alvanley.” Page 85 - 87 < Archive.Org > (no mention of Blanche or Margery Arderne, wife of William Stanley of Hooton)