Constantine Clifton, 2nd Baron Clifton

There is some conflict in these sources with the parents of Margaret Howard, John Howard who married Margaret Plaiz is the son of Robert & Margaret (Scales) Howard, either one Generation is missing or has been added.

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Some of the complication may be due to Sir John Howard having two wives (Margaret Plaiz was his first), children by both of them, and a complex web of land trusteeships. http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/ho...

Sources that do not attempt to track "our Glorious Royal Ancestors" are generally to be preferred, as they have no reason to create or perpetuate misinformation. History of Parliament Online, for instance, is only interested in tracking the relationships among Members of Parliament, their constituencies, and their times, and has no other dog in the hunt (but they are not infallible either).

Note: the Cliftons were not, strictly speaking, Barons at this point in time (the official title came - and soon passed on - in Tudor times), but were generic "lords" of the lands that they held.

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Surtees Society vol. 144, p. 11, footnote 1b: Constantine second lord Clifton of Buckenham, Norfolk, d. 1395, his son sir John Clifton being then one year old . Sir John died without children 1447 . His only sister Elizabeth, wife of sir John Knyvet, was his heir and inherited the castle of Buckenham, Norfolk . (CP III, 308. )

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• 'Sir Constantine Clifton, 2nd Baron Clifton1,2,3,4,5
• 'M, b. circa 1372, d. 19 February 1396
• Father Sir John de Clifton, 1st Lord Clifton2,6 b. c 1353, d. 10 Aug 1388
• Mother Elizabeth de Cromwell2,6 b. c 1355, d. 24 Sep 1391
• ' Sir Constantine Clifton, 2nd Baron Clifton was born circa 1372 at of Buckenham, Babingley, Denton, Hilborough, & West Bradenham, Norfolk, England; Age 16 in 1388 and 19 1/2 in 1391.2,7 He married Margaret Howard, daughter of Sir Robert Howard and Margaret Scales, after February 1390; They had 1 son (Sir John, 3rd Lord Clifton) and 1 daughter (Elizabeth, wife of Sir John Knyvet).2,7,4,5 Sir Constantine Clifton, 2nd Baron Clifton died on 19 February 1396 at of Buckenham, Babingley, &Hilborough, Norfolk, England.2,7
• 'Family Margaret Howard d. 25 Mar 1434
• Children
  • ◦Elizabeth Clifton+8,2,3,7,4 b. c 1392, d. b 8 Dec 1461
  • ◦Sir John Clifton, 3rd Lord Clifton b. 1394, d. b 1 Dec 1447
• Citations
• 1.[S4327] Unknown author, The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. III, p. 308; The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, by Ronny O. Bodine, p. 50; Wallop Family, p. 446.
• 2.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 495.
• 3.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 409-410.
• 4.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 316.
• 5.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 409.
• 6.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 572.
• 7.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 573.
• 8.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 366.
• http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p521.htm#i...
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• 'Constantine de Clifton, 2nd Lord Clifton1
• 'M, #228514, b. circa 1372, d. 1395
• Last Edited=15 Apr 2007
• Consanguinity Index=0.0%
• ' Constantine de Clifton, 2nd Lord Clifton was born circa 1372.1 He married Margaret Howard, daughter of Sir John Howard and Margaret Plaiz, after February 1389/90.1 He died in 1395.1
• ' He was the son of John de Clifton, 1st Lord Clifton and Elizabeth de Cromwell.1 He succeeded to the title of 2nd Lord Clifton [E., 1376] on 10 August 1388.1 In 1393 he had livery of his lands.1
• 'Children of Constantine de Clifton, 2nd Lord Clifton and Margaret Howard
  • 1.Elizabeth Clifton1
  • 2.Sir John Clifton+1 b. c 1394, d. b 1 Dec 1447
• Citations
• 1.[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume III, page 308. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
• http://thepeerage.com/p22852.htm#i228514
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• 'Margaret HOWARD
• Father: John HOWARD (Sheriff of Essex)
• Mother: Margaret PLAIZ
• 'Married 1: Constantine De CLIFTON
• Children:
  • 1. Elizabeth CLIFTON (b. 1392 - d. 1441) (m. John Knyvett)
• 'Married 2: George TALBOT (Sir)
• http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/HOWARD1.htm#Margaret HOWARD1
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• Ancestral roots of certain American colonists who came to America before ... By Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William
• Pg. 197
• 33. ELIZABETH CROMWELL, d. 1393/4; m. (1) John Clifton, b. abt. 1353, 1st Lord Clifton, of Buckenham Castle, co. Norfolk, d. Rhodes, 10 Aug. 1388, son of Constantine Clifton, d. by 1372, of Buckenham co. Norfolk, by wife Catherine de la Pole, dau. of Sir William de la Pole, Mayor of Hull, baron of the Exchequer, d. 1366; m. (2) Sir Edward Bensted. (CP III: 307-308)
  • ' 34. CONSTANTINE CLIFTON, by (1), b. 1372, 2nd Lord Clifton, of Buckenham Castle, co. Norfolk, d. 1395; m. aft. Feb 1389/90, Margaret Howard, d. 1433, dau. of Sir John Howard, d. 1438, of Wigenhall, Norfolk, by (1) wife Margaret Plaiz, d. 1391, dau. Sir John Plaiz, 5th Lord Plaiz, d. 1389. (CP III: 308, X: 541-542).
    • 35. ELIZABETH CLIFTON, liv. 1447, h. of Buckenham, co. Norfolk; m. SIR JOHN KNYVET (1888-10), d. 1445. (CPIV; 308). (Gens. 33-35 added by Douglas Richardson).
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• 'Magna Carta ancestry: a study in colonial and medieval families By Douglas Richardson, Kimball G. Everingham
• Magna Carta ancestry: a study in colonial and medieval families By Douglas Richardson, Kimball G. Everingham
• Pg. 436
• 7. MARGARET (or MARGERY) DE SCALES, elder daughter. She married ROBERT HOWARD, Knt, of East Winch, Fersfield, Terrington, and Wiggenhall, etc., Norfolk, son and heir of John HOWARD, Knt., of East Winch and Wiggenhall, Norfolk, Admiral of the Fleet north of the Thames, by Alice, daughter of Robert de Bois, Knt. He was born about 1342 (age 30 in 1372). They had one son, John, Knt., and one daughter, Margaret. He was imprisoned in the Tower of London in 1378-79, for detaining Margery de Nerford from her grandmother, Lady Alice Neville. SIR ROBERT HOWARD died testate at East Winch, Norfolk 18 July 1388. His widow, Margaret, married (2nd) Walter de Bermingham, Knt., of Ireland (died before 10 Feb. 1401). She left a will dated 8 May 1416. She was buried with her 1st husband in the south side of the chancel at East Winch, Norfolk. . . . . .
• Children of Margaret de Scales, by Robert Howard, Knt.:
  • ' ii. MARGARET HOWARD, married after Feb. 1389/90 CONSTANTINE DE CLIFTON, Esq. 2nd Lord Clifton, of Buckenham, Babingley, Hilborough, etc. Norfolk, Little Waltham, Essex, etc., son and heir of John de Clifton, Knt., 1st Lord Clifton, by Elizabeth, daughter of Ralph de Cromwell, Knt., 1st Lord Cromwell. He was born about 1372 (aged 16 in 1388, aged 19 1/2 in 1391). They had one son, JOhn, Knt. [3rd Lord Clifton], and one daughter, Elizabeth. He was summoned to Parliament from 13 Nov. 1393 to 20 Nov. 1394. CONSTANTINE DE CLIFTON, Esq., 2nd Lord Clifton, died 19 Feb 1395/6. His widow, Margaret, married (2nd) (as his 3rd wife) GILBERT TALBOT, Knt., of Richard's Castle, Herefordshire and Wadley, Berkshire (died 6 Feb. 1398/9). They had one son, Richard. She died 25 March 1434, and was buried at Black Friars, Norwich. . . . . .
  • 'Child of Margaret Howard, by Constantine de Clifton, Esq.:
    • i. ELIZABETH CLIFTON, married JOHN KNYVET, Knt., of Southwick, Northamptonshire [see GURDON 9]
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• 'Plantagenet ancestry: a study in colonial and medieval families By Douglas Richardson, Kimball G. Everingham
• Plantagenet ancestry: a study in colonial and medieval families By Douglas Richardson, Kimball G. Everingham
• Pg. 495
• 10. ELIZABETH DE CROMWELL, married JOHN DE CLIFTON, Knt., of Buckenham, Babingley, Denton, Hilborough, West Bradenham, etc., Norfolk, son and heir of Constantine de Clifton, of Buckenham, Norfolk, by Katherine, daughter of William de la Pole, Knt. He was born about 1353 (aged 15 in 1368). They had one son, 'Constantine, Esq. [2nd Lord Clifton]', and one daughter, Katherine (wife of Ralph Greene and Simon Felbrigg, Knt.). He was summoned to Parliament from 1 Dec. 1376 to 28 July 1388, by writs directed to Johanni de Clyfton, whereby his is held to have become Lord Clifton. SIR JOHN DE CLIFTON, 1st Lord Clifton, died at Rhodes 10 August 1388. His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) EDWARD BENSTED, Knt. She died 24 Sep 1391. . . .
  • ' 11. CONSTANTINE DE CLIFTON, Esq., 2nd Lord Clifton, of Buckenham, Babingley, Hilborough, etc., Norfolk, Little Waltham, Essex, etc., son and heir, born about 1372 (aged 16 in 1388, aged 19 1/2 in 1391). He married after Feb. 1389/90 MARGARET HOWARD, daughter of Robert Howard, Knt., of East Winch, Fersfield, and Wiggenhall, Norfolk (descendant of King John), by Margaret (or Margery), daughter of Robert de Scales, 3rd Lord Scales [see CORNWALL 8 for her ancestry]. They had one son, John, Knt. [3rd Lord Clifton], and one daughter, Elizabeth. He was summoned to Parliament from 13 Nov. 1393 to 20 Nov. 1394. CONSTANTINE DE CLIFTON, Esq., 2nd Lord Clifton, died 19 Feb. 1395/6. His widow, Margaret, married (2nd) (as his 3rd wife) GILBERT TALBOT, Knt., of Richard's Castle, Herefordshire and Wadley, Berkshire (died 6 Feb 1398/9), They had one son, Richard. She died 25 March 1434, and was buried at Black Friars, Norwich. . . .
  • 'Child of Constantine de Clifton, Esq., by Margaret Howard:
    • i. ELIZABETH CLIFTON, married JOHN KNYVET, Knt., of Southwick, Northamptonshire [ see GURDON 10].
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This information list Constantine as marrying Katherine Scales dau. of Robert Scales and Margaret Howard. ????? [This source loses track of its pronouns quite often, and is sometimes confused and confusing. - Maven]

• Sir John Clifton, Knt. of Bukenham castle in 1373, had livery of all his lands, as heir to Sir Adam de Clifton, his grandfather; he was summoned to parliament from 1375 to 1388, when he died, on St. Lawrence's Day, at Rhodes, seized of Bukenham castle and manors, Hilburghworth, West Bradenham, and Cranwyse, with the advowsons of Hilburgh and Cranwyse, and the manor of Babyngle, &c. leaving Constantine, his son and heir, then 16 years old. He [= Sir John Clifton] married Elizabeth, one of the heirs of Ralf Lord Cromwell, by which match that part of Bukenham, &c. which she had for her share, united again; she outlived him, and married Sir Edward Bensted.
• 'Constantine, their son and heir, had livery of his inheritance in 1393, and was summoned to parliament in that and the next year, but never after; he married Katherine, daughter of Robert Lord Scales, by Margaret, daughter of Robert Howard of East-Winch, [this I think is likely to be erroneous - Maven] who outlived him, and held in dower, till 1432, fin which year she died,) the manor of Babyngle, two parts of Gryshaugh in Wymoudham, Bukenham, Lathes manor, the profits of the court at Attleburgh, the court of the market at New-Bukenham, and the part of Lyn tolbooth, all which at her death joined to the rest of the estate, in their son and heir', Sir John Clifton of Bukenham castle Knt. who died in 1447, seized of Bukenham castle, and the greater parts of the manors thereto belonging, of the hundred of Shropham, the manor of Briston, Grishagh, Topcroft, Denton, Babingle, Hilboro, Cranwich, West Bradenham, a third part of Becon's manor, &c. by his will, proved in 1447, Sept. 8, he ordered to be buried in the church of St. Mary at Wymondham priory. . . . . Joan his wife was daughter and coheir of Sir Edmund de Thorp, Knt. the younger, of Ashwell-Thorp, and widow of Sir Rob. Echingham; they had only one daughter, viz.
• Margaret Clifton, who married Sir Andrew Ogard of Bukenham castle, Knt.; she died issueless, before her father; . . . .
• http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/History_of_Norfolk/Volume_1/Shropham
• http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=77124
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Does not list Margaret as the child of either Howard & Scales or Howard & Plaiz.

• 1. Sir JOHN Howard of Stoke Neyland . m firstly MARGARET de Scales, daughter of ---. m secondly ALICE Tendring, daughter of ---. Sir John & his first wife had one child:
  • a) Sir JOHN Howard of Wiggenhall, Norfolk (-24 Apr 1438). m firstly ([1380]%29 MARGARET de Plaiz, daughter of JOHN de Plaiz Lord Plaiz & his second wife Joan de Stapleton of Bedale, Yorkshire and Ingham, Norfolk (-[10/14] Aug 1391, bur Weeting). She succeeded her father in 1389 as Baroness Plaiz, suo iure. m secondly ---. The name of Sir John´s second wife is not known. Sir John & his first wife had one child:
    • i) Sir JOHN Howard ([1374]-1409). He succeeded his mother in 1391 as Lord Plaiz. m (before May 1406) as her first husband, JOAN Walton, daughter of JOHN Walton of Wyvenhoe, Essex & his wife --- (-1424). She married secondly Sir Thomas Erpingham. Sir John & his wife had one child:
• Sir John & his second wife had one child:
  • b) Sir ROBERT Howard of Stoke Neyland, Suffolk ([1384/85]-1436). m (1417) MARGARET Mowbray, . . .
• http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm www.findagrave.com

Constantine de Clifton BIRTH 1372 Buckenham, Broadland District, Norfolk, England DEATH 1395 (aged 22–23) Buckenham, Broadland District, Norfolk, England BURIAL Buckenham Priory Buckenham, Broadland District, Norfolk, England MEMORIAL ID 174313632

Parents John de Clifton unknown–1388

Spouse Margaret Howard Clifton 1376–1434

Children Elizabeth Clifton Knyvet 1392–1441

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