Dora Ellen Givan

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Henry Clay Rambo
Robert L. Cox (View posts) Posted: 23 Dec 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Rambo
My grandfather, Henry Clay Rambo died in 1923 in Catlow Valley, Harney County, Oregon, I am searching for his grave and any information on him. He was 1/2 Indian (Modoc)

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Re: Henry Clay Rambo
John Griffin (View posts) Posted: 2 Nov 2003 4:47PM GMT
Classification: Query
Henry Clay Rambo lived in the Warner Valley, Lake County, Oregon, near Plush. His ranch was northeast of Push on the way to Hart Mountain. He also owned land on Hart Mountain.
He married Maude Anderson in Alturas CA, but I believe they were later divorced. He was in the Warner Valley by 1877. I believe his father was Joel Rambo, and that Henry Clay was born in Siskiyou County CA. He went by the name Clay. I'm not related, I'm just interested in Lake County history.
John Griffin

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Re: Henry Clay Rambo
david cox (View posts) Posted: 19 Feb 2004 8:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
He was my grandfather
Robert Cox is my brother
I have extensive information on Rambo sir name, swedish back to 1600,s
you are correct born in Siskyou see 1860 and 1870 census at Bogus Creek Dora Given was sister Joel was Father Marie Wallace 4/4 shasta Modoc mother.
Was Foreman or partner to Thomas Anderson promenent rancher N. Warner valley. (Thomas Anderson)(I would like to know when etc came to got started in ranch at near anderson lake N.Warner valley . Tom Anderson married Maude Immogene Lewis in 1896 1 child die at birth Maud 18 yrs. Tom 67 yrs. Maud divorce Tom 1900 where? maud marries Clay Rambo 1900 at Fort bidwell, Ca. not Alturus.Maud Tom Anderson and Clay all live on ranch 1896 to 1910 see census
1901 Jerome Rambo son Born. 1903 Elaine A. Rambo born daughter (my mom.)sometime soon after Maud divorces Clay Rambo he goes to Harny county wwork white Horse Ranch.. Tom Anderson 80 yrs old 1910 census at home ranch with Maud her mother and faithful Chico a hired man foreman. Tom dies in 1915 B:old cemetery Lakeview. Born in New York do you know when came to Warner Vally tell me about clay in Warner C 1877 were clay tom partners as tales tell . how they meet where did tom come in from Ca. etc.don't have the info. of divorce where will probate terms where? Tom was a good man.I was B: at Hot Springs Lakeview Ore 17 June 1931 Maud Rambo Closed out for $65,000.00 in 1936 died a recluse in 1957.I would be most grateful if you will share any information. Aloha! and perhaps I can help with other names , history in Warner Valley neather of these men appear lake county census 1870 why not ....

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Re: Henry Clay Rambo
CynthiaCox418 (View posts) Posted: 16 Feb 2010 4:25AM GMT
Classification: Query
I would like to find an author who will help me create a book about many stories from my Nana and dad that were told to me when they lived in Plush.
Here is information of the Rambos you may be interested in that was sent to me:

Do you have your families 1928 roll applications from Betty? I have one from your Dad's grandfathers cousin Godfrey Joel Rambo. It shows that his Grandmother was O'Tishwiter (o-tis-we-tah) is how I have heard it said. She was the daughter of Chief Tolo, from what I have read. It would fit with the timeline, as the furtrappers often married the Chief's daughters for political reasons. And Francis Picard was a trapper if I remember correctly. There are alot of people with the Doke Group who are related to you through O'Tishwiter.
Kathy

http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/ORKLAMAT/2002-06/10...
From: "Sandy Owsley"
Subject: [Klamath,Or] family on the Fairchild Ranch
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:30:39 -0700

I was told my one cousin that my great grandmother had her first 5 children on the Fairchild Ranch, but my Mom said her mother told her that she was born in Keno, which isn't too far from there.
Keno was first called "Whittle's Ferry", named after my gg-grandfather, Robert Whittle. He fished and hunted up and down the Klamath River and sold fish and venison to the miners and also in Yreka. He also had a ferry across the Klamath. He loved to play cribbage, and had regulars that came by to play. The stage coaches stopped there, also. It is about 18 miles southwest of Klamath Falls (Linkville).
When the Modocs left the Klamath Indian Reservation and went to the Lava Beds, they needed an interpreter. They sent for my gg-grandparents, Robert and Matilda Whittle. Matilda spoke Klamath, Modoc and English. Matilda's brother, Link River Jack, was friends with Captain Jack. Captain Jack knew Matilda could be trusted. She made many trips to talk to Captain Jack, before Winema came into the picture. Matilda and Winema were both at the meeting when General Canby was shot and killed. Canby was the only General killed in an Indian War. Robert and Matilda left after he was killed, they knew what was to come and no interpreting would stop it. My great Aunt Alice told me that Matilda's name in Klamath ment "Frog leaps my back", (as close to interpeting as possible).
Finding records for the Klamath area is still in the infant stage, so check the surrounding counties. My great grandparents, Lewis Asbury Allen and Mary Elvira Whittle lived on the Fairchild Ranch, but there marriage was recorded in Lakeview, Lake County, Oregon. That is the county to the east of Klamath County, and it was before Klamath County was formed. My gg-grandparents, Matilda and Robert Whittle, were married in Oregon, but in later years, they were told (and so were many others), that their marriage wasn't legal; so they went to Yreka, Siskiyou County, Calif. and remarried. My grandmother, Grace Allen was married in Yreka also. I don't know if it had something to do with them being Indian or not, but a lot of people went down there to marry. I have found many family members of 3 different lines listed on the Siskiyou County website.
I have a picture of Matilda Whittle holding up a flag; it has 45 stars on it. She was quite elderly in the picture.
My grandfather's family lived in the Siskiyou County and Klamath County country, they are the Rambo's. My grandfather was Godfrey Joel Rambo, his father was Joel Maxwell Rambo, his mother was Caroline Picard, who was 1/2 Shasta Indian. Caroline's father was Henry Francis Picard, who also lived along the Klamath River in Siskiyou County, Calf. Henry Francis Picard was born in 1829 in St. Louis, Mo. After the death of H. Francis Picard's wife [daughter of Chief Tato], in childbirth; Francis married Caroline Whittle, also daughter of Robert Whittle and his first [unknown] wife. Robert Whittle and Francis Picard were friends, and were born the same year, 1829. Francis Picard was a Hudson Bay Trapper when he first came to Siskiyou County, Calif., so the story goes.
Have a great day,
Sandy Garrett Owsley
Posted by: kathy varnell | July 08, 2009 at 07:32
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David Allen Cox who wrote this post Feb 2003 was my father. I say was because dad died March 28, 2005. This was my son Jesse Solomon Mathews birthday! That following November 19, 2005 my oldest brother Bruce Allen Cox died of a massive heart attack; my oldest daughter's birthday, Rose Lanaye Mathews (1977)! Then this past year, August 2009, my second oldest brother Mark was found hung by the neck in an abandoned building! Thereafter, Thanksgiving 2009, my mommy Lillie Marie Shelton died of a stroke! My baby sister, Alicia Imogene Cox returned from Islamabad in August 2002 and was found dead at the Fairfield Inn CA which seemed to bring on the "Reaper" Now, only my younger brother David Cox Jr. and I are left. I have 5 children-Rose (32), Jennifer (31), Sara (28), and Jesse Solomon (24) and Camille (13). They are all doing good! Jesse plays the trumpet and piano around teaching music. Jennifer is a jet-setter, Rose works at a Bohemian Tea House, and Sara is married and works in physical training. Our family mostly went from riches to rags and now seems to be on the upswing again, financially. I haven't seen the rest of my family since I went into the Navy Hospital Corp in 1976 (used to be close until Nana died in 1984). Hopefully, all will remain true to our faith in the Lord!

I do know that Henry Clay Rambeau is listed in the index of "Burnt Out Fires" by Dillon. The fact that our govt informed Nana to enroll us with the CA Shasta Splinter Tribe is questionable-Henry Clay Rambeau is stated to be Modoc as stated in Dillon's book. Also, in the 1920s Maude had Clay put on the Modoc census (Debbie Riddle Herrera, Winema's descendant and our 2nd cousin) has this census. Thus, our family lost our Federal Recognition as Modoc by deceiving us and having us put on Shasta. Actually, we have the largest surviving Modo/Shasta family. I'm not sure if O'tishwiter was a Modoc chief's daughter or Shasta Chief's but I'm pretty sure that she was Modoc as Marie Wallace's dad was modoc and mom had a modoc father and shasta mom as dad relayed to me.

Take care everyone and all my blessings to each of you!
Love, Cindy
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more on ancestry of Dora's mother:
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2001-09-02 - Sandy Garrett Owsley owsley@ccountry.net
Henry Francis Picard,b. 28 Mar 1829 St. Louis Mo.
Share? Yes
I was looking to see if there were ancestors/parents listed for H. Frank Picard. He was a Hudson Bay trapper who came to what was later known as Siskiyou County, California. He was married twice. His first wife unknown name, was a daughter of Chief Tato, of the Shasta Tribe. They had 3 children, Mary Ann, Henry Francis, Jr., and Caroline. Their daughter, Caroline married Joel Maxwell Rambo, and their son, Godfrey Joel Rambo, is my grandfather.
Frank Picard married a second time to Caroline Whittle, daughter of Robert Whittle and Matilda. Matilda was Klamath Indian. Robert and Matilda Whittle are my gg-grandparents through my grandmother, Lily Grace Allen; and she married Godfrey J. Rambo.
I have copies of letters written by Frank Picard's grandson through his second marriage. The letter's are written to my cousin in the late 1960's. It lists the children, some birth dates, and marriage info. It says: Henry Francis Picard, my grandfather, was born 28 March 1829, in St. Louis, Missouri, and was of French decent. He apparently was well educated when young and at one time planned to be a lawyer. He came west about 1849-1850 as a trapper for the Hudson Bay Company and located in the area that later became Siskiyou County. He must have dropped the name of Henry, because he was always called Francis or Frank throughout his life. He first wife was a member of the Shasta Indian Tribe and they had three children, Mary Ann, Henry Francis,Jr., and Caroline."
There is more information scattered through the letters. I am interested in finding out more about his parents and siblings and beyond. There is a woman on Picard forum that says Frank Picard is her gggrandfather, I guess that means gg-grandfather. She states Otiswiter as the first wife. She also states that Frank's parents were Francois Picar, b. abt. 1803 In. and Emille Grimault, b. 10/14/1807. I have contacted her, with no reply.
Do you have any of these people in your database? I have more information concerning Frank Picard and his descendants, written in these letters from his grandson, if you are interested. There is also references to records found in Yreka, Calif. Sandy Garrett Owsley = from Oregon

Name: Ernest T Givan
Residence: , Klamath, Oregon
Estimated Birth Year: 1893
Age: 27
Birthplace: Oregon
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Gender: Male
Race: White
Marital Status: Married
Father's Birthplace: Iowa
Mother's Birthplace: California
Film Number: 1821494
Digital Folder Number: 4383760
Image Number: 01151
Sheet Number: 3
Household Gender Age Birthplace
SELF George W Morgan M 46y Canada
WIFE Katy E Morgan F 40y Canada
DAU Eadth M Morgan F 22y Canada
SON Arthur M Morgan M 21y Canada
SON Frank W Morgan M 19y Canada
SON Ernest W Morgan M 17y Canada
SON John J Morgan M 15y Canada
DAU Mary E Morgan F 12y Canada
DAU Dorris E Morgan F 10y Canada
SON Walter S Morgan M 7y Canada
SELF Ernest T Givan M 27y Oregon
WIFE Joanna F Givan F 22y Oregon
BRO Dallas G Givan M 20y Oregon
Clarence Wallace M 24y Oregon
Sam Enta M 45y Mexico
Citing this Record

"United States Census, 1920," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4Z2-MKQ : accessed 12 Mar 2013), Ernest T Givan in household of George W Morgan, , Klamath, Oregon; citing enumeration district (ED) , sheet 3A, family 34, NARA microfilm publication T625, FHL microfilm 1821494.

Name: Olive Hazel Givan Anderson
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 28 Dec 1897
Birthplace: Fort Bidwell, Modoc, California, United States
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: James Newton Givan
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Dora Ellen Rambo Givan
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I09274-0
System Origin: Oregon-EASy
GS Film number: 2259368
Reference ID: 26340
Citing this Record

"Oregon, Births and Christenings, 1868-1929," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FZPT-2Y8 : accessed 12 Mar 2013), Dora Ellen Rambo Givan in entry for Olive Hazel Givan Anderson, 28 Dec 1897.

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http://genealogy.state.or.us/detail.php?id=289732

Case# 26340
Name Anderson, Olive Hazel Givan
Date 12/28/1897
Record Type Delayed Birth
County Lake
Source Health
Identifier
Remarks

Name: Dallas Gordon Givan
Event Type: Draft Registration
Registration Year Range: 1917-1918
Event Place: Klamath County, Oregon, United States
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 04 Sep 1899
Birthplace: , , United States
Nationality: United States
Affiliate Publication Title: World War I Selective Service System Draft Registration Cards
Affiliate Publication Number: M1509
GS Film number: 1852058
Digital Folder Number: 005243380
Image Number: 05104
Citing this Record

"United States, World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K6Z5-VD6 : accessed 12 Mar 2013), Dallas Gordon Givan,

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Name: Dallas G Givan
Residence: , Klamath, Oregon
Estimated Birth Year: 1900
Age: 20
Birthplace: Oregon
Relationship to Head of Household: Brother
Gender: Male
Race: White
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Iowa
Mother's Birthplace: California
Film Number: 1821494
Digital Folder Number: 4383760
Image Number: 01151
Sheet Number: 3
Household Gender Age Birthplace
SELF George W Morgan M 46y Canada
WIFE Katy E Morgan F 40y Canada
DAU Eadth M Morgan F 22y Canada
SON Arthur M Morgan M 21y Canada
SON Frank W Morgan M 19y Canada
SON Ernest W Morgan M 17y Canada
SON John J Morgan M 15y Canada
DAU Mary E Morgan F 12y Canada
DAU Dorris E Morgan F 10y Canada
SON Walter S Morgan M 7y Canada
SELF Ernest T Givan M 27y Oregon
WIFE Joanna F Givan F 22y Oregon
BRO Dallas G Givan M 20y Oregon
Clarence Wallace M 24y Oregon
Sam Enta M 45y Mexico
Citing this Record

"United States Census, 1920," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4Z2-MKW : accessed 12 Mar 2013), Dallas G Givan in household of George W Morgan, , Klamath, Oregon; citing enumeration district (ED) , sheet 3A, family 34, NARA microfilm publication T625, FHL microfilm 1821494.

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Name: Dallas G Givan
Event: Census
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Klamath Falls, Klamath, Oregon
Gender: Male
Age: 31
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Birthplace: Oregon
Estimated Birth Year: 1899
Immigration Year:
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Father's Birthplace: Iowa
Mother's Birthplace: California
Enumeration District Number: 0032
Family Number: 171
Sheet Number and Letter: 8B
Line Number: 69
NARA Publication: T626, roll 1945
Film Number: 2341679
Digital Folder Number: 4547507
Image Number: 00473
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Dallas G Givan M 31 Oregon
Wife Inez J Givan F 33 Texas
Daughter Ellen C Givan F 5 Oregon
Daughter Martha J Givan F 4 Oregon
Son Dallas G Givan M 2 Oregon
Citing this Record

"United States Census, 1930," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XC9V-Y9B : accessed 12 Mar 2013), Dallas G Givan, 1930.

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+Meldora Ellen (Rambo) Givan, b. 09 Jul 1863, Bogus Creek, Yreka, California, d. 26 Feb 1949, Klamath Falls, Oregon.

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Meldora Ellen (Rambo) Givan (b. 09 Jul 1863, d. 26 Feb 1949)
Meldora Ellen (Rambo) Givan (daughter of Joseph Maxwell Rambo and Maria So Da Kato) was born 09 Jul 1863 in Bogus Creek, Yreka, California, and died 26 Feb 1949 in Klamath Falls, Oregon. She married (1) Major Watson Overton on 03 May 1879 in Siskiyou Co., Ca., son of Edward Overton and Nancy Elizabeth Downs. She married (2) James Newton Givan on Dec 1890 in Yreka, Siskiyou Co., California, USA.

Includes NotesNotes for Meldora Ellen (Rambo) Givan:
DEATH: Age 85

DEATH: LAKEVIEW IOOF CEMETERY

County of Lake, Lakeview, OR

Established 1879

Location: T29s R20e Section 10 EWM

Operated by : Lake County Cemetery Maintenance District

CM-0263

Name of Deceased Date

More About Meldora Ellen (Rambo) Givan:
Burial: 01 Mar 1949, LAKEVIEW IOOF CEMETERY Oregon.

More About Meldora Ellen (Rambo) Givan and Major Watson Overton:
Marriage: 03 May 1879, Siskiyou Co., Ca..

More About Meldora Ellen (Rambo) Givan and James Newton Givan:
Marriage: Dec 1890, Yreka, Siskiyou Co., California, USA.

Includes NotesMarriage Notes for Meldora Ellen (Rambo) Givan and James Newton Givan:
Reference Number:74726

Children of Meldora Ellen (Rambo) Givan and Major Watson Overton are:

William Plummer Overton, b. 23 Apr 1880, d. 16 Mar 1905.
Daisy Alice Overton, b. 1882, d. 1965.
Henry Clay Overton, b. 11 Mar 1886, d. 26 Mar 1892.

Children of Meldora Ellen (Rambo) Givan and James Newton Givan are:

Ernest Truman Givan, b. 1895, d. date unknown.
Olive Hazle Givan, b. 28 Dec 1897, Lake Co., Oregon, d. date unknown.
+Dallas Gordon Givan, b. 04 Sep 1899, Lake Co., Oregon, d. 15 Jun 1982, Mercy Medical Center, Redding, Ca..

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Meldora Ellen Rambo Overton

Birth: Jul. 9, 1863
Siskiyou County
California, USA
Death: Feb. 26, 1949
Klamath Falls
Klamath County
Oregon, USA

Meldora Ellen Rambo was the daughter of Joel Maxwell Rambo Jr. born Muskingum county, Ohio Oct 14, 1827 and died April 11, 1911 Dorris, California, and Maria Wallace born 1840 in Boque, California and died about 1863/1878.

Meldora married Major Watson Overton on May 3, 1879 in Yreka, California, they were the parents of Daisy Alice Overton born 1882 died 1965 Lakeview, Oregon.

Family links:
Parents:
Joel Maxwell Rambo (1827 - 1911)

Spouse:
Major W. Overton (1858 - 1932)

Children:
Daisy Alice Overton Morris (1882 - 1965)*

*Calculated relationship

Burial:
IOOF Cemetery
Lakeview
Lake County
Oregon, USA