Jean de Nesle, Seigneur de Falvy

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Jean de Nesle, Seigneur de Falvy

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Son of Jean IV de Nesle, seigneur de Falvy and Maria Jeanne van Oudenaarde
Husband of Jeanne de Vendeville and Jeanne de Vendeuïl
Father of Béatrix de Nesle and Jean de Nesle, Seigneur de Falvy
Brother of Marie de Nesle and Denise de Talmas de Nesle

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About Jean de Nesle, Seigneur de Falvy

JEAN [II] de Nesle (-Dec 1300). Seigneur de Falvy et de la Hérelle. An epitaph at Orcamp records the death in Dec 1300 of “messires Iehans sires de Falevi”[966]. m as her second husband, MARIE van Oudenaarde, repudiated wife of GODEFROI de Perwez, daughter of JAN Heer van Oudenaarde & his first wife Adela de Soissons (-[after 1276]). The Chronicon Hanoniense of Baudouin d’Avesnes records that "Jehans...conte de Soissons" married "la fille monseignour Alart de Chimay ki siet en Haynau...hoirs de la terre de Chimai" by whom he had “2 fils et 3 filles...li ainsnes...Aelis fut mariee a monseignour Jehan d’Adenarde, qui ot de li une fille...Marie” who married “monseigneur Godefroi de Peruwes” who died “sans avoir hoir de li” and secondly “monseigneur Jehan de Falleui qui ot de li 2 filles”[967]. "Jehans dis sires d’Audennarde sires de Rosoit" confirmed the testament of "me…fille Marie jadis dame de Nineve" (confirmed by "mon segnor Jehan de Neela qu’on dit de Falleni [son mari]") by charter dated 1277[968]. Jean [II] & his wife had four children:

  • i) --- de Nesle (-killed in battle Courtrai 11 Jul 1302). Seigneur de Falvy. The Chronique Artésienne records “mesires de Falvi” among those killed at the battle of Courtrai 11 Jul 1302[969]. The primary source which confirms his name has not been identified.
  • ii) JEAN [III] de Nesle (-after 1310). Seigneur de Falvy. “Iohannes de Falevi”, for the souls of “...dominæ Mariæ...matris meæ et liberorum meorum”, confirmed donations made by “pater meus dominus Ioannes de Fallevi miles” for the souls of “bonæ memoriæ domini Ioannis de Fallevi patris sui militis et dominæ Beatricis uxoris suæ, eiusque parentum, necnon sui dominæ Ioannæ uxoris suæ et liberorum suorum”, by charter dated 1307[970]. “Iohannes de Falevy domicellus” claimed against “Radulfum de Nigella patruum suum” regarding property of “bonorum...defunctorum comitis Pontivi et Ioannis eius primogeniti patris dicti domicelli fratrisque dicti Radulfi” by charter dated 1310[971]. m as her second husband, JEANNE de Vendeuil, widow of MATHIEU de Roye Seigneur de la Ferté en Ponthieu, daughter of --- de Vendeuil & his wife --- (-after 1319). “Mathieu de Roye chevalier Seigneur de la Ferté et de Vendeuil et…Jeanne sa femme dame de Vendeuil” settled a dispute with the convent of Saint-Nicolas or Bos in the bishopric of Laon concerning rights over “Choegny” by charter dated Jul 1280 which names “messire Huon de Vendeuil et messire Clerembaut”[972]. A document dated 1310 records a settlement between “domicellam Margaretam de Pinquigniaco” and “Ioannam de Vendolio relictam defuncti Mathei de Roya militis”, which names “defuncti Mathei de Roya iunioris filii procreati ex eis...domicellæ Mariæ filiæ dictæ Ioannæ et dicti defuncti Mathei quondam mariti eiusdem”[973]. Her second marriage is confirmed by the charter dated May 1324 which named “Jeanne jadis Dame de Vendeuil mere Jehan de Fallevi chevalier hoir à present de ladite Dame” and required “[le]dit Iehan de Fallevi” to make payments to “Marie de la Freté sa suer et au Seigneur de Loques son mary”[974]. Jean [III] & his wife had two children:
  • (a) JEAN [IV] de Nesle (-before 1341). Seigneur de Falvy. “Jeanne Dame de Fraisnoy femme de...Monsieur Jean de Dargies dit le Borgne Seigneur de Frasnoy” declared founding a chapel “de son heritage à Vendeuil”, in homage to “son...seigneur monseigneur de Fallevy et de Vendeuil”, by charter dated Feb 1324[975]. A charter dated May 1324 named “Jeanne jadis Dame de Vendeuil mere Jehan de Fallevi chevalier hoir à present de ladite Dame” and required “[le]dit Iehan de Fallevi” to make payments to “Marie de la Freté sa suer et au Seigneur de Loques son mary”[976]. A charter dated 1341 records “Ferricus de Pinconio miles et consiliarius regis” acting “ratione uxoris...pro herede defuncti domini de Falviaco”[977].
  • (b) BEATRIX de Nesle (-after 1344). A charter dated 1341 records “Ferricus de Pinconio miles et consiliarius regis” acting “ratione uxoris...pro herede defuncti domini de Falviaco”[978]. “Beatrix Dame de Fallevy et d’Ailly sur Somme et Jehan de Pinkigny chevaliers Sires de ladite ville d’Ailly et de Hornoy en Vimeu” confirmed the foundation of a hospital “en la ville de Rivieres” by charter dated 7 Apr 1344[979]. m (before 29 Sep 1319) as his second wife, FERRY de Picquigny Seigneur d’Ailly-sur-Somme et de Hervey, son of JEAN de Picquigny Vidame d’Amiens & his wife Marguerite de Beaumetz (-before 1344).
  • iii) RAOUL de Nesle (-after 1310). “Iohannes de Falevy domicellus” claimed against “Radulfum de Nigella patruum suum” regarding property of “bonorum...defunctorum comitis Pontivi et Ioannis eius primogeniti patris dicti domicelli fratrisque dicti Radulfi” by charter dated 1310[980].
  • iv) MARIE de Nesle (-after 1328). Père Anselme (naming her “Marguerite”) records her parentage and marriage without citing any source on which he bases the information[981]. The primary source which confirms this information has not been identified. Dame de Warcq et de Gernomont. [According to Goethals, Aubert [III] de Longueval married “Marie de Neelle, fille de Jean de Neelle seigneur de Faluy et de Herelle et de Mari d’Audenarde [qui] venait de perdre son mari Jean de Los seigneur d’Agimont [mort] en Italie en 1310” and by her had three children[982]. The primary source which confirms this information has not been identified. From a chronological point of view, it appears possible so long as Marie was one of her parents’ younger children.] m [firstly] [as his second wife,] JEAN de Looz Seigneur d’Agimont, son of JEAN [I] Comte de Looz et de Chiny & his second wife Isabelle de Condé (-Brescia [1310/11]). [m secondly (after [1310/11]%29 AUBERT [III] Seigneur de Longueval, son of AUBERT [II] Seigneur de Longueval & his [third wife Marie de Heilly] ([Jun 1284/1285?]-after 6 Feb 1321).]