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Jean de Nesle, châtelain de Bruges

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Birthplace: Nesle, Somme, Picardie, France
Death: July 14, 1197 (46-47)
Brugge, Brabant,, Belgium
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Son of Raoul II de Nesle and Gertrude de Montaigu
Husband of Élisabeth van Peteghem-Cysoing
Father of Ade de Nesle; Gertrude de Nesle, dame de Falvy; Jean II, seigneur de Bruges et de Nesle; Ives de Nesle and Raoul III de Nesle, seigneur de Falvy
Brother of Raoul III de Nesle, comte de Soissons and Conon de Nesle, comte de Soissons

Occupation: Châtelain, Seigneur
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About Jean de Nesle, châtelain de Bruges

Son of Raoul II de Nesle and Gertrude de Montaigu https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FLEMISH%20NOBILITY.htm#JeanNesledi...

JEAN de Nesle (-14 Jul [1197/1200]). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comes Cono, Iohannes…et iste qui adhuc vivit comes Radulfus Suessionensis" as sons of "Radulfo castellano [de Bruges]"[121]. "…Johannes et Radulfi fratrum meorum" subscribed the charter dated 1178 under which "Cono…comes Suessionensis dominus Petrofontis et Nigelle" donated property to the abbey of Notre-Dame d'Ourscamp[122]. Châtelain de Bruges 1180. “Gertrudis Brugensis castellan et filius eius Joannes castellanus” donated property to Bruges, at the request of “mariti sui piæ recordationis Radulfi”, with the consent of [her daughter-in-law] “Elisabeth...Brugensis castellana”, by charter dated 10 Sep 1185[123]. “...Joannis castellani Brugensis...” witnessed the charter dated 1188 under which Philippe Count of Flanders emancipated the abbey of Bruges Saint-André[124]. Seigneur de Nesle, de Falvy et de Hérelle. m ELISABETH van Peteghem, daughter of JAN [I] van Peteghem & his wife ---. “Gertrudis Brugensis castellan et filius eius Joannes castellanus” donated property to Bruges, at the request of “mariti sui piæ recordationis Radulfi”, with the consent of [her daughter-in-law] “Elisabeth...Brugensis castellana”, by charter dated 10 Sep 1185[125]. "Elizabet mater domini de Nigella" renounced rights over revenue from Lambersart in favour of Lille Saint-Pierre, with the consent of "filius…meus Radulphus", by charter dated 1204[126]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. Jean & his wife had [five] children:

a) JEAN de Nesle (-22 Dec 1239). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Iohannes [filius Radulfo castellano] pater Iohannes de Nigella"[127]. Châtelain de Bruges. “...Joannis de Neelle castell. Brugensis...” subscribed the charter dated Apr 1201 under which Baudouin IX Count of Flanders donated various properties on leaving on crusade[128]. The Scripta de Feodis of King Philippe II record “Johans sires de Neele” holding “Neele et les apartenances...”[129]. He sold the castellanie of Bruges to Jeanne Ctss of Flanders in 1234[130]. m (before 1200) EUSTACHE de Saint-Pol, daughter of HUGUES [IV] "Candavène" Comte de Saint-Pol & his wife Yolande de Hainaut (-before 1241). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Ysabellam uxorem comitis Galtheri de Castellione, qui per uxorem factus est comes de Sancto Paulo, et Eustaciam uxorem Iohannis de Nigella" as children of "comiti Hugoni de Sancto Paulo" & his wife[131]. "Hugo comes S. Pauli et Jole uxor mea" donated property to the church of Thérouanne with the consent of "generorum meorum Galteri de Castellione et Johannis domini de Nigella et filiarum mearum Elilzabeth et Eustathiæ" by charter dated Jan 1201[132].

b) IVES de Nesle (-before 4 May 1189). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified.

c) RAOUL de Nesle (-before Feb 1226). "Elizabet mater domini de Nigella" renounced rights over revenue from Lambersart in favour of Lille Saint-Pierre, with the consent of "filius…meus Radulphus", by charter dated 1204[133]. The Scripta de Feodis of King Philippe II record “Johans sires de Neele” holding “Neele et les apartenances...” and name among his “home...Raous mis frères...”[134]. Seigneur de Falvy.

- SEIGNEURS de FALVY.

d) GERTRUDE de Nesle (-after Jun 1239). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. “Gertrudis uxor domini Renaldi de Melloto” donated revenue to Froidmont to maintain a lamp at night before the tomb of her husband by charter dated 1201[135]. “Gertrudis domina Alliaci...Joannes filius meus” confirmed donations “apud Beeleuses” made to Beaupré by “Radulfus de Claromonte quondam maritus meus...in decima quam emit Matildis de Aliaco mater predicti Radulfi” by charter dated 1225[136]. “Simon de Claromonte miles dominus de Alliaco...Gertrudis domina de Alliaco et Bullis mater eiusdem” sold land “de la Houssière” to Froidmont by charter dated Mar 1237[137]. m firstly RAINAUD de Mello, son of GUILLAUME Seigneur de Mello & his wife Ermentrude --- (-1201, bur Froidmont). m secondly (1203) RAOUL de Clermont Seigneur d'Ailly, son of SIMON de Clermont Seigneur d’Ailly-sur-Noye & his wife Mathilde de Breteuil (-30 Mar 1225).

e) [ADA (-[Dec 1252/Dec 1254]). The second wife of Enguerrand [II] Seigneur de Boves is shown in Europäische Stammtafeln as the daughter of Jean de Nesle Châtelain de Bruges[138]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified. Du Chesne provides no indication of her parentage[139]. "Ingelrannus dominus Bovæ" accepted the arbitrage of a dispute involving the priory of Saint-Leu d’Esserent concerning revenue from Ailly, with the consent of "uxor mea Ada et Robertus et Thomas et Hugo fratres mei", by charter dated May 1202[140]. m as his second wife, ENGUERRAND [II] de Coucy Seigneur de Boves, son of ROBERT de Coucy Seigneur de Boves & his wife Beatrix de Saint-Pol --- (-[1222/24]).]



RAOUL de Nesle, son of JEAN de Nesle Châtelain de Bruges, Seigneur de Nesle, de Falvy et de Hérelle & his wife Elisabeth van Peteghem (-before Feb 1226). "Elizabet mater domini de Nigella" renounced rights over revenue from Lambersart in favour of Lille Saint-Pierre, with the consent of "filius…meus Radulphus", by charter dated 1204[956]. The Scripta de Feodis of King Philippe II record “Johans sires de Neele” holding “Neele et les apartenances...” and name among his “home...Raous mis frères...”[957]. Seigneur de Falvy. m ([1212/14]%29 as her second husband, ALIX de Roye, widow of JEAN [III Comte d'Alençon], daughter of BARTHELEMY de Roye & his wife Petronille de Montfort (-26 Jan 1226). A manuscript genealogy of the Lords of Beaumont records that “Joannem”, son of “Robertum comitem Alencheii”, married “Aaliz filiam domini Bartholomæi de Roye” but died childless[958]. Her second marriage is confirmed by the necrology of Joyenval which records the death of [her son] "domini Joannis de Nigella filii dominæ Aelidis de Roya” and his donation which was confirmed by his mother[959]. The necrology of Joyenval records the death “26 Jan“ 1226 of "dominæ Alidiæ de Roya filiæ domini Bartholomæi fundatoris” and the donation of revenue from “teloneum suum de Roya, detentum nunc a domino de Mouy”[960]. Raoul & his wife had one child:

  • 1. JEAN [I] de Nesle (-2 Dec 1292). Seigneur de Falvy et de la Hérelle.

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