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About Joan Neville
- Joan FitzAlan1,2,3,4,5,6,7
- F, #36974, b. circa 1470, d. 14 November 1508
- Father Sir Thomas FitzAlan, 22nd (17th) Earl of Arundel, Chief Butler of England, Lt. of the Order of the Garter, Warden of the New Forest, Keeper of the Tower & Blockhouse of Portsmouth, Lord Maltravers8,1,9,3,4,10,6,7 b. 1450, d. 25 Oct 1524
- Mother Margaret Wydeville1,9,3,10,6 d. bt 24 Sep 1485 - 4 Aug 1492
- Joan FitzAlan was born circa 1470. She married Sir George Neville, Lord Abergavenny, Constable of Dover Castle, Warden of the Cinque Ports, son of Sir George Neville, Lord Abergavenny and Margaret Fenne, circa 1490; They had 2 daughters (Elizabeth, wife of Sir Henry Daubeney, Earl of Bridgwater; & Jane, wife of Sir Henry Pole, Lord Montagu).1,2,3,4,5,6,7 Joan FitzAlan died on 14 November 1508; d.s.p.m.11,1,3,6
- Family Sir George Neville, Lord Abergavenny, Constable of Dover Castle, Warden of the Cinque Ports b. c 1469
- Children
- Elizabeth Neville8,1 b. c 1491, d. c 1533
- Jane Neville+1,12,3,4,6,7 b. c 1493, d. bt 4 Jun 1535 - 26 Oct 1538
- Citations
- [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 95.
- [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 38.
- [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 170.
- [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 377.
- [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 158.
- [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 323-324.
- [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 399-400.
- [S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. II, p. 311.
- [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 37.
- [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 156-157.
- [S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. I, p. 33.
- [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 587.
- From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p1231.htm#... ___________________
- Lady Joan FitzAlan1
- F, #663
- Last Edited=14 May 2015
- Consanguinity Index=0.01%
- Lady Joan FitzAlan was the daughter of Thomas FitzAlan, 10th/17th Earl of Arundel and Lady Margaret Woodville.1 She married Sir George Neville, 3rd Lord Abergavenny, son of Sir George Neville, 2nd Lord Abergavenny and Margaret Fenne, before 1494.1 She died, 14 Nov, without male issue.1
- From before 1494, her married name became Neville.1
- Child of Lady Joan FitzAlan and Sir George Neville, 3rd Lord Abergavenny
- Lady Elizabeth Neville2 b. b 1495
- Citations
- [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume I, page 33. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
- [S8] BP1999 volume 1, page 17. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S8]
- From: http://thepeerage.com/p67.htm#i663 ________________________________
- Joan FITZALAN (B. Abergavenny)
- Died: BEF 1505
- Father: Thomas FITZALAN (16° E. Arundel)
- Mother: Margaret WOODVILLE (C. Arundel)
- Married: George NEVILLE (3° B. Abergavenny) ABT 1494, Arundel, Sussex, England
- Children:
- 1. Elizabeth NEVILLE
- 2. Jane NEVILLE
- From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/FITZALAN.htm#Joan FITZALAN (B. Abergavenny) _____________
- Thomas FitzAlan otherwise Arundel, 17th Earl of Arundel, 7th Baron Maltravers KG (1450 – 25 October 1524) was the son of William FitzAlan, 16th Earl of Arundel, and Joan Neville, eldest daughter of Richard Neville, 5th Earl of Salisbury, and Alice Montagu, suo jure Countess of Salisbury.[1]
- .... etc.
- He married, shortly before 17 February 1466, Margaret Woodville (d. before 4 August 1492), seventh daughter of Richard Woodville, 1st Earl Rivers, and a younger sister of Elizabeth Woodville, wife of Edward IV.[4] Thomas and Margaret had two sons and two daughters:.[5][6]
- William FitzAlan, 18th Earl of Arundel.
- Edward FitzAlan.
- Margaret FitzAlan, who married John de la Pole, 1st Earl of Lincoln.[7]
- Joan FitzAlan (d. 14 November 1508),[8] who married, as his first wife, George Neville, 5th Baron Bergavenny. According to Hawkyard, the marriage was childless; however according to Richardson, there were two daughters of the marriage, Elizabeth Neville, who married Henry Daubeney, 1st Earl of Bridgewater, and Jane Neville, who married Henry Pole, 1st Baron Montagu.[9][10][11][12][13]
- From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_FitzAlan,_17th_Earl_of_Arundel _______________
- Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900, Volume 40
- Neville, George (1471?-1535) by William Arthur Jobson Archbold
- NEVILLE, GEORGE, third Baron of Bergavenny (1471?–1535), born about 1471, was eldest son of George, second baron, by his first wife, Margaret, daughter of Sir Hugh Fenne, under-treasurer of England. His grandfather, Edward Neville, first baron Bergavenny [q. v.], and his brothers, Sir Edward Neville (d. 1538) [q. v.] and Sir Thomas Neville [q. v.], are separately noticed. Another brother, Richard, was a knight of Rhodes, and Henry VIII wrote on his behalf to the pope on 22 July 1515 (Letters and Papers of Henry VIII, ii. i. 737, but cf. iii. ii. 3678). George was made K.B. 5 July 1483, and on 20 Sept. 1492 succeeded his father as third Baron Bergavenny. He was a favourite with Henry VII, fought on his side against the Cornish rebels at Blackheath in 1497, and was made keeper of Southfrith Park, Kent, on 1 Dec. 1499. On 8 May 1500 he was with Henry VII and his wife at Calais. He enjoyed the hereditary office of chief larderer, and exercised it at the coronation of Henry VIII. On his Sussex estates Bergavenny enfranchised, on 27 June 1511, a villein named Andrew Borde or Boorde, who has been wrongly identified with the traveller and physician of the same name [q. v.] (Sussex Arch. Coll. xiii. 242). On 20 Aug. 1512 he was made a commissioner of array for Kent, Sussex, and Surrey, and on 28 Jan. 1513 became warden of the Cinque ports. On 23 April he was nominated K.G. In the expedition into France of 1513 Bergavenny took a prominent part. From June to October he was a captain, or rather general, in the king's army, and landed at Calais on 30 June. He filled the same position from May to August in 1514, and he was rewarded in 1515 by the grant of the keepership of Ashdown Forest. He kept a large number of retainers, and his retinue was surveyed on 17 May 1515 at Canterbury (Letters and Papers of Henry VIII, ii. i. 471). In 1516 he was in some danger on account of maintenance. On 15 Nov. 1515 he took part in the ceremonial observed at the reception of Wolsey's cardinal's hat. The same year he became a privy councillor, and on 23 July 1518 he, with Lord Cobham, the Bishop of Chichester, and a number of Kentish gentlemen, met Campeggio, the legate, and conducted him to Canterbury. Like his brother, he was involved in the troubles which overtook Buckingham, his father-in-law. He seems to have been really opposed to Buckingham, but his knowledge of the schemes of his party gave a handle to his enemies. He was accordingly kept in prison from about May 1521 until the early part of 1522. He had also to find ample security for his behaviour for a time. He received a pardon for misprision of treason 29 March 1522 (ib. iii. ii. 2140), but, as Chapuys afterwards said (ib. vi. 1164), he left his feathers behind, and he was not thoroughly trusted afterwards (ib. iv. i. 1319). His troubles, perhaps, more than any active steps taken, led Chapuys to count him afterwards (1533) as one of the Pole faction (ib. vi. 1164, vii. 1368).
- Bergavenny attended the king at his meeting with Charles V in 1522, and was captain of the army in France in 1523. In the negotiations with France in 1527 he took a formal part, and met Anne de Montmorency on 18 Oct. near Rochester. On 13 July 1530 he signed the well-known letter to Clement VII, asking him to settle the divorce case as soon as possible. Similarly, on 16 May 1532, he was present when the submission of the clergy was presented, and exercised his office of larderer at the coronation of Anne Boleyn. In 1533 he arranged a difference between the Duke of Norfolk and his wife (Bapst, Deux Gentils hommes poétes de la Cour de Henry VIII, p. 204; cf. Green, Letters of Royal and Illustrious Ladies, ii. 218). In 1534 he was one of the panel of peers summoned to try Lord Dacre; and about this time he seems to have been friendly to Cromwell, and to have looked after his son. He was absent from the feast of the Knights of the Garter owing to illness in May 1535, and wrote to the king, asking that his family might not be too heavily pressed in taking up his inheritance, as he had many daughters to marry, ‘to his importable charges.’ He died on a Monday morning in June 1535; his body was buried at Birling and his heart at Mereworth, both in Kent. Bergavenny married: 1. Lady Joan Fitzalan, second daughter of Thomas, twelfth earl of Arundel, by whom he had a daughter, Elizabeth, who married Henry Lord Daubeny. 2. Margaret, daughter of William Brent of Charing, Kent, by whom he left no issue. 3. About June 1519 Mary, third daughter of Edward Stafford, duke of Buckingham by whom he had Henry, who succeeded him, and died in 1586; John, who died young; Thomas, who died without issue; and five daughters. 4. Mary Broke, alias Cobham, formerly his mistress. Bergavenny's chief dangers arose from his family connections, but he increased the importance of his house, especially as Henry VIII, on 18 Dec. 1512, gave him, as the representative of the Beauchamp family, the castle and lands of Abergavenny.
- [Collins's Peerage, ed. Brydges, v. 161; Doyle's Official Baronage, i. 4; Rowland's Account of the Family of Nevill; Letters and Papers, Henry VIII, 1509–35; G. E. C[okayne]'s Complete Peerage; Metcalfe's Knights, p. 8; Chron. of Calais (Camd. Soc.), p. 312.]
- From: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Neville,_George_(1471%3F-1535)_(DNB00)
- https://archive.org/stream/dictionaryofnati40stepuoft#page/257/mode... to https://archive.org/stream/dictionaryofnati40stepuoft#page/258/mode... __________________
- George Neville or Nevill, 5th and de jure 3rd Baron Bergavenny KG, PC (c.1469 – 1535/6) was an English courtier. He held the office of Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports.
- George Neville was born in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire,[citation needed] the son of George Neville, 4th Baron Bergavenny, by his first wife, Margaret Fenne (d. 28 September 1485), daughter of Hugh Fenne, sub-treasurer of England.[1] Margaret was born about 1444 at Scoulton Burdeleys in Norfolk.[citation needed]
- His younger brother Sir Thomas Nevill was a trusted councillor of King Henry VIII and Speaker of the House of Commons. His youngest brother, the courtier Sir Edward Neville, was executed by Henry in 1538 for treason.
- Neville fought against the Cornish rebels on 17 June 1497 at the Battle of Blackheath.[2] At the coronation of King Henry VIII in 1509, he held the office of Chief Larderer.[3] On 18 December 1512, King Henry VIII granted him the castle and lands of Abergavenny.[4] From 1521 to 1522 he was imprisoned on suspicion of conspiring with his father-in-law, the Duke of Buckingham. At the coronation of Anne Boleyn in 1533, Nevill once again held the honour of Chief Larderer and was allowed to officiate.[2]
- Neville was buried before 24 January 1536[citation needed] at Birling, Kent.[5] His heart was buried at Mereworth.[5]
- Neville married firstly Joan FitzAlan (d. 14 November 1508), the daughter of Thomas FitzAlan, 17th Earl of Arundel, and Margaret Woodville (d. before 4 August 1492), second daughter of Richard Woodville, 1st Earl Rivers. She was a younger sister of Elizabeth Woodville, wife of Edward IV. According to Hawkyard, the marriage was childless; however according to Cokayne and Richardson, there were two daughters of the marriage:[6][5][7][8]
- Elizabeth Neville, who married Henry Daubeney, 1st Earl of Bridgewater.[7]
- Jane Neville, who married Henry Pole, 1st Baron Montagu, elder brother of Cardinal Reginald Pole, executed in 1539.[9]
- He married secondly, before 5 September 1513, Margaret Brent, the daughter of John Brent of Charing, Kent,[10] and Anne Rosmoderes,[citation needed] by whom he had no issue.[11]
- He married thirdly, about June 1519, Lady Mary Stafford, youngest daughter of Edward Stafford, 3rd Duke of Buckingham, by Lady Eleanor Percy, by whom he had three sons and five daughters:[12]
- Henry Neville, 6th Baron Bergavenny.
- John Neville.
- Thomas Neville.
- Mary Neville, who married firstly Thomas Fiennes, 9th Baron Dacre; secondly John Wotton; and thirdly **Francis Thursby, esquire.
- Katherine Neville, who married Sir John St. Leger.
- Margaret Neville, who married firstly John Cheney, and secondly Henry Poole, esquire.
- Dorothy Neville (d.1559), who married, as his first wife, William Brooke, 10th Baron Cobham, by whom she had a daughter, Frances Brooke, who married firstly Thomas Coppinger (1546–1580), and secondly Edward Becher.[13]
- Ursula Neville, who married Sir Warham St Leger.
- He married fourthly his former servant, Mary Brooke alias Cobham, by whom he had a daughter whose name is unknown.[10]
- From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Nevill,_5th_Baron_Bergavenny ________________
- Sir George Neville
- Birth: 1469 Staindrop, County Durham, England
- Death: Sep. 28, 1535 Kent, England
- Sir George Nevill, 5th Lord Bergavenny, Knight of Bath, Knight of the Order of the Garter, Knight of Birling, West Peckham and Merworth, Kent. Constable of Dover Castle and Warden of the Cinque Ports. Privy Councillor.
- Son and heir to Sir George Neville and Margaret Fenne, grandson of Sir Edward Neville and Elizabeth Beauchamp, and Hugh Fenne.
- Husband of Joan Arundel, the daughter of Sir Thomas, Earl of Arundel and Margaret Wydeville. They had two daughters; Elizabeth, wife of Sir Henry Daubeney and Jane, wife of Sir Henry Pole.
- Secondly, he married Margaret Brent, the daughter of John from Charing, Kent. They had no children. They sold the manor or Speenhamland in Speen in 1513.
- Thirdly, he married Mary Stafford, the youngest daughter of Sir Edward Stafford, Duke of Buckingham and Elanor Percy, the daughter of Sir Henry 4th Earl of Northumberland. They married in June of 1519 and had three sons and five daughters;
- Sir Henry, Lord Bergavenny
- John
- Thomas
- Mary, wife of Thomas Fiennes, Lord Dacre & Francis Thursby
- Katherine, wife of Sir John St Leger
- Margaret, wife of John Cheney
- Dorothy, wife of William Brooke
- Ursula, wife of Sir William St Leger
- Sir George married a fourth time to Mary Cobham Brooke, formerly his servant, and they had one daughter.
- Sir George was summoned to Parliament 1497 to 1534, served in the wars against France, and was at the Battle of Blackheath against the Cornish rebels. In 1506 he was indicted for keeping unlawful retainers, and was charged an enormous fine of £50,000. In 1509, King Henry VIII cancelled the debt and allowed him to retain men lawfully for the king's service. Sir George was Chief Larderer at the coronation of Henry in 1509 and again at the coronation of Anne Boleyn in 1533. Henry granted him the castle of Abergavenny in 1512. Joan Arundel died at some point after that.
- In 1517, Wolsey accused, and threaten to charge him of having too many men in his livery. Sir George was captain of the army in France in 1523.
- He was an elder brother of Sir Edward Nevill who was executed in 1540 on order of King Henry VIII.
- George's will was dated 04 June 1535 and proved 24 Jan 1536.
- Family links:
- Parents:
- George Neville (1440 - 1492)
- Spouse:
- Mary Stafford Nevill (1494 - ____)*
- Children:
- Ursula Neville St Leger (____ - 1575)*
- Mary Neville Fiennes (1520 - 1565)*
- Sibling:
- George Neville (1469 - 1535)
- Sir Edward Neville (1471 - 1538)*
- Burial: St Lawrence Churchyard, Mereworth, Tonbridge and Malling Borough, Kent, England
- Find A Grave Memorial# 51846845
- From: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=51846845 ____________
- Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, 2nd Edition ...
- https://books.google.com/books?id=kjme027UeagC&printsec=frontcover&...
- Pg.241
- 13. GEORGE NEVILLE, Knt., Lord Bergavenny, 2nd but 1st surviving son and heir by his father's 1st marriage, born at Raby Castle, Durham, and baptized at Staindrop, Durham about 1440 (aged 36 in 1476). He was co-heiress in 1449 to his cousin, Anne Beauchamp, suo jure Countess of Warwick, by which he inherited a 1/2 share in the barony of Burghersh. He married (1st) before 1 May 1471 (date of enfeoffment) MARGARET AT[TE] FENNE, daughter and heiress of Hugh at[te] Fenne, Esq., of Sculton Burdeleys, Herringby, and Swaffham, Norfolk, and Braintree, Essex, Treasurer of the Household to King Henry VI, Escheator of Norfolk and Suffolk. They had six sons, George, K.G., K.B., [Lord Bergavenny], John, William, Edward, Knt., Thomas Knt. [Speaker of the House of Commons, Secretary of State to King Henry VIII], and Richard, Knt., and one daughter Elizabeth. In 1457 he had license to have seisin of one-half of the entailed Despenser estates held by his late cousin, Anne Beauchamp, which grant was blocked by Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick, husband of the other co-heir, Anne Beauchamp. In 1461, after the ascession of King Edward IV, George obtained license to have seisin of all the estates of his cousin, Anne Beauchamp. In 1471 he conveyed his share of the manor of Medmenham, Buckinghamshire to
- Pg.242
- Geoffrey Pole, Esq., for annual rent of 10 marks. He was summoned to Parliament from 15 Nov. 1482 to 12 Aug. 1492, by writs directed Georgio Nevyle de Bergevenny ???. He was present at the Coronation of King Richard III of England in 1483. His wife, Margaret, died 28 Sept. 1485. He married (2nd) before 29 Feb. 1488/9 ELIZABETH ____ , widow successively of Richard Naylor (died 1483), Citizen and merchant tailor of London, Master of the Merchant Taylors Company, 1475, Alderman of London; Robert Bassett, Knt. (died 1484), of London, salter, M.P. for London, 1460-1, Alderman of London, 1461-84, Sheriff of London, 1463-4, Lord Mayor of London, 1475-6; and John Stokker (died 1486), of St. George's, Eastcheap, London, Master of the Drapers Company, Alderman of London, 1479-85. SIR GEORGE NEVILLE, Lord Bergavenny, died 20 Sept. 1492, and was buried at Lewes Priory, Sussex. He left a will proved Jan. 1496 (P.C.C. 8 Horne). He bequeathed 200 marks to the Prior of Lewes, to cause daily mass to be sung at the altar, near his place of burial, and to observe the anniversary of his death. His widow, Elizabeth, Lady Bergavenny, left a will dated 14 April 1500, proved 19 June 1500 (P.C.C. 8 Moore), requesting burial in the Lady chapel of St. Martin's Outwich, London where her 1st husband was interred.
- .... etc.
- Pg.243
- 14. GEORGE NEVILLE, K.G., K.B., Lord Bergavenny, of Birling, West Peckham, Mereworth, etc., Kent, Abergavenny House, London, etc., Keeper of Southfrith Park, Kent, 1499-1508, Constable of Dover Castle and Warden of the Cinque Ports, c. 1512-15, Keeper of Ashdown Forest, Kent, 1515, Privy Councillor, 1515-21, son and heir, born about 1469 (aged 16 in 1485). He married (1st) JOAN ARUNDEL, daughter of Thomas Arundel, K.G., K.B., 17th Earl of Arundel (descendant of King Edward III), by Margaret (descendant of King Henry III) daughter of Richard Wydeville, K.G., 1st Earl Rivers, Constable of England, Lord High Treasurer [see ARUNDEL 14 for her ancestry]. They had two daughters, Elizabeth (wife of Henry Daubeney, K.B., Earl of Bridgwater) and Jane. He was summoned to Parliament from 16 Jan. 1496/7 to 5 Jan 1533/4. He served in the wars against France, and was in the Battle of Blackheath in 1497 against the Cornish rebels. In 1506 he was indicted for keeping unlawful retainers, for which crime he was fined the enormous sum of £50,000; he was sentenced in the King's Bench in Michaelmas term 1507. His wife, Joan, died 14 Nov. 1508. In 1509 the king cancelled the debt and allowed him to retain men lawfully for the king's service. He was Chief Larderer at the Coronation of Henry VIII in 1509, and again at that of Anne Boleyn, Queen Consort, in 1533. He was granted the castle and lands of Abergavenny by King Henry VIII in 1512. He married (2nd) before 5 Sept. 1513 (date of fine) MARGARET BRENT, daughter of John Brent, Gent., of Charing, Kent. They had no issue. In 1513 he and his wife, Margaret, sold the manor of Speenhamland (in Speen), Berkshire. She was living in 1515. In 1517 Wolsey threatened to prosecute him for having too many men in his livery. George Married (3rd) about June 1519 [LADY] MARY STAFFORD, youngest daughter of Edward Stafford, K.G., K.B., 3rd Duke of Buckingham (descendant of King Edward III), by Eleanor, daughter of Henry Percy, K.G., 4th Earl of Northumberland (descendant of King Edward III) [see STAFFORD 14 for her ancestry]. They had three sons, Henry (or Harry), K.B., [Lord
- Pg.244
- Bergavenny], John, and Thomas, and five daughters, Mary (wife of Thomas Fiennes, 9th Lord Dacre, John Wotton, and Francis Thursby, Esq.), Katherine (wife of John St. Leger, Knt.), Margaret (wife of John Cheney and Henry Poole, Esq.), Dorothy (wife of William Brooke, 10th Lord Cobham), and Ursula. He and his wife attended the king at the Field of the Cloth of Gold in 1520. He was imprisoned c.May 1521, and pardoned for misprision of treason 29 March 1522. He was captain of the army in France in 1523. He married (4th) MARY BROOKE (otherwise COBHAM), formerly his servant. They had one daughter. SIR GEORGE NEVILLE, Lord Bergavenny, left a will dated 4 Jun 1535, prove 24 Jan. 1535/6 (P.C.C. 35 Hogen), and was buried in Birling, Kent.
- .... etc.
- Child of George Neville, K.G., K.B., by Joan Arundel:
- i. JANE NEVILLE, married HENRY POLE, K.B., Lord Montagu [see POLE 13].118
- Child of George Neville, K.G., K.B., by Mary Stafford:
- i. URSULA NEVILLE, married WARHAM SAINT LEGER, Knt., of Ulcombe and Leeds Castle, Kent [see SAINT LEGER 18].119 ___________________
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