Joan Vaughan

See Peter Bartrum, https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000173426885976 (October 18, 2022; Anne Brannen, curator)

• 'Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, 2nd Edition ... By Douglas Richardson
• http://books.google.com/books?id=kjme027UeagC&printsec=frontcover&d...
• Pg. 265
• 12. ROBERT WHITNEY, Esq., of Whitney, Herefordshire, Sheriff of Herefordshire, 1474-5, son and heir. He married (1st) CONSTANCE AUDLEY (or TUCHET), daughter of James Tuchet (or Audley), Knt., 5th Lord Audley (descendant of King John), by his 2nd wife, Eleanor, illegitimate daughter of Edmund Holand, K.G., 4th Earl of Kent [see TUCHET 12 for her ancestry]. They had two daughters, 'Joan' and Eleanor (wife of Thomas Vaughan, Knt., of Bredwardine). He married (2nd) ELIZABETH VAUGHAN, daughter of Thomas Vaughan, of Hergest, Herefordshire, by Ellen Gethin, daughter of Dafydd ap Cadwgan ap Phylip Dorddu. They had four sons, James, Esq., John, Hugh, and Robert, and three daughters, Eleanor (wife of John Puleston), Sibyl (wife of Roger ap Richard), and Elizabeth (wife of John Pye). He was attainted as a Yorkist by the Lancastrian Parliament in 1459. ROBERT WHITNEY, Esq., died shortly before 6 Oct. 1494. His widow Elizabeth, was living 4 May 1525. ....
• '13. JOAN WHITNEY, daughter by her father's 1st marriage. She married ROGER VAUGHAN, Knt., of Porthaml (in Talgarth), Breconshhire, Wales, Steward and Receiver of the Lordship of Dinas, 1509, 2nd son of Robert Vaughan, Knt., of Tretower, Breconshire, by his 1st wife Denise, daughter of Thomas ap Philip Vaughan of Tyle-Glas. They had four sons, Watkin, Esq., John, Harry, Esq., and Thomas, Esq., and four daughters, Elinor (wife of Thomas Gwyn, Hywel ap Gwilym, and William Dometh), Elizabeth, __ (wife of Jenkin ap Thomas), and Margaret (wife of John Parker). By a ....
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• 'Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 2nd Edition ... By Douglas Richardson
• http://books.google.com/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&printsec=frontcover&d... Pg. 190
• 13. CONSTANCE AUDLEY (or Tuchet), married as his 1st wife) ROBERT WHITNEY, Esq., of Whitney, Herefordshire, Sheriff of Herefordshire, 1474-5, son and heir of Eustace Whitney, Esq., of Whitney and Colepychard, Herefordshire by his 1st wife Joan, daughter of William Trussell, Knt. They has two daughters, 'Joan' and Eleanor (wife of Thomas Vaughan of Bredwardine). He married (2nd) ELIZABETH VAUGHAN, daughter of Thomas Vaughan, of Hergest, Herefordshire, by Ellen Gethn, daughter of Dafydd ap Cadwgan ap Phylip Dorddu. They had four sons, James, Esq., John, Hugh, and Robert, and three daughters, Ellen (wife of John Puleston) Sibyl (wife of Roger ap Richard Vaughan, of Hergest), and Elizabeth (wife of John Pye). ROBERT WHITNEY, Esq., died shortly before 6 Oct. 1494. His widow, Elizabeth, was living 4 May 1525. ....
• '14. JOAN WHITNEY, daughter by her father's 1st marriage. She married ROGER VAUGHAN, Knt., of Porthaml (in Talgarth), Breconshire, Wales, Steward and Receiver of the Lordship of Dinas, 1509, 2nd son of Roger Vaughan, Knt., of Tretower, Breconshire, by his 1st wife, Denise, daughter of Thomas ap Philip Vaughan of Tyle-Glas. They had four sons, Watkin, Esq., John, Harry, Esq., and Thomas, Esq., and four daughters, Elinor (wife of Thomas Gwyn, Hywel ap Gwilym, and William Dometh), Elizabeth, __ (wife of Jenkin ap Thomas), and Margaret (wife of John Parker). by a mistress or mistresses, he also had three illegitimate sons, Thomas, Roger, and Robert. SIR ROGER VAUGHAN died before 25 Sept. 1514. ....
  • i. WATKIN VAUGHAN [see next].
  • II. ELIZABETH VAUGHAN, married THOMAS MORGAN, Esq. of Machen [ see THOMAS 15].
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• 'Jane Whitney1,2
• 'F, #58578, b. circa 1450
• Father Sir Robert Whitney, Sheriff of Herefordshire1,2 b. c 1418, d. c 6 Oct 1494
• Mother Constance Touchet3,2 b. c 1432, d. c 1451
• ' Jane Whitney was born circa 1450 at of Whitney, Herefordshire, England. She married Sir Roger Vaughan, son of Sir Roger Vaughan and Denise fil Thomas, circa 1469; They had 4 sons (Watkin, Esq., John, Harry, Esq., & Thomas, Esq.) and 4 daughters (Elinor, wife of Thomas Gwyn, of Hywel ap Gwilym, & of William Dometh); Elizabeth; Margred, wife of John Parker; & a daughter married to Jenkin ap Thomas). By a mistress or mistresses he also had Thomas, Roger, & Robert.1,2
• 'Family Sir Roger Vaughan b. c 1436, d. b 25 Sep 1514
• Child
  • Elizabeth Vaughn+1,2,4 b. c 1485
• Citations
• 1.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 709.
• 2.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 190.
• 3.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 105.
• 4.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 185.
• From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p1949.htm#...
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I have three sources that have Watkin Vaughan as the son of Roger Vaughan and Joan Whitney. The first is the National Library of Wales (Electronic Resouces/Welsh Biography Online) http://www.llgc.org.uk/cronfa/index_s_adel.htm.

They cover all branches of the Vaughan family. All of the Vaughan lines are discussed by place of residence. Watkin is found in the Vaughans of Porthaml section. This source does not even mention a marriage to Eleanor of Somerset.

The second source is The Bingham Genealogy Project, http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dkbing/genproj.htm

Douglas Bingham has an extensive list of resources that he used in his research. He has Roger Vaughan marrying Joan Whitney first, Watkin as their oldest child (consistent with the previous source) + 7 others. He has Roger marrying Eleanor Somerset second, no children.

From Welsh Biography Online

VAUGHAN family, of Porthaml , parish of Talgarth , Brecknock . This branch of the Vaughan family was founded by ROGER VAUGHAN, second son of Sir Roger Vaughan of Tretower. Roger Vaughan of Talgarth was granted the offices of steward and receiver of the lordship of Dinas, 17 Jan. 1509, and was dead before 25 Sept. 1514, when those offices were granted to Sir Griffith ap Rice. His wife was Joan, daughter of Robert Whitney by Constance, daughter of James, lord Audley. The Vaughans of Tregunter descended from his second son, Thomas Vaughan. The heir, WATKIN VAUGHAN, m. Joan, daughter of Ieuan Gwilym Vaughan of White Peyton. The family became prominent with his heir, WILLIAM VAUGHAN, who obtained a lease of the demesne lands of Dinas, 14 Feb. 1529.

The third source is a family history, "Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith". I don't know the source of the info contained in this book. This author has Roger first married to Eleanor of Somerset, no children, and married second to Joan Whitney with Watkin as their oldest child.

(THIS THIRD SOURCE WOULD NOT BE CORRECT AS THE ROGER THAT MARRIED ELEANOR SOMERSET HAS A DIFFERENT DEATH DATE THEN ROGER THAT MARRIED JOAN WHITNEY)

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ID: I0647

Name: Roger Vaughan

Sex: M

Birth: 1460

Marriage 1 Jane Whitney b: 1462

Children

Elizabeth Vaughan b: ABT. 1486

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• 'Vaughan Family of Wales
• http://archive.org/details/VaughanFamilyOfWales
• http://archive.org/stream/VaughanFamilyOfWales/VaughanFamily#page/n...
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  • VAUGHAN family, Of Porthaml, parish of Talgarth, Brecknock. X ref Tretower
• 'This branch of the Vaughan family was founded by Roger Vaughan, second son Of Sir Roger Vaughan of Tretower-see Vaughan family of Tretower. He was possibly the Roger Vaughan Of Tyle-glas who was pardoned on 9 July 1491, and figures again in Henry VIII's pardon roll (1509) as Roger ap Roger of Tyle-glas, or Roger Vaughan Of Talgarth. He was granted the offces of steward and receiver of the lordship of Dinas, 17 Jan. 1509, and was dead before 25 Sept. 1514, when those offices were granted to Sir Griffith ap Rice. His wife was Joan, daughter of Robert Whitney by Constance, daughter of James, lord Audley. The Vaughans of Tregunter descended from his second son, Thomas Vaughan. The heir, Watkin Vaughan married. Joan, daughter of leuan Gwilym Vaughan Of White Peyton. ....
• http://archive.org/stream/VaughanFamilyOfWales/VaughanFamily#page/n...
• Pg. 25
• Sir Roger Vaughan third son of Roger Vaughan of Bredwardine-see Vaughan family of Bredwardine-by Gwladys, daughter of Dafydd Gam, was the first of the Vaughans to reside at Tretower. It is said that the residence ....
• .... He was twice married. The first wife was Denise, daughter of Thomas ap Philip Vaughan of Talgarth, and she was the mother of the heir (Sir) Thomas Vaughan, 'Roger Vaughan-see Vaughan family of Porthaml'-and four daughters who married into prominent families, the wives of Robert Raglan, Henry Donne, Morgan Gamage, and Morgan ap Thomas ap GrufFudd ap Nicolas. His second wife was Margaret, lady Powis, daughter of James, lord Audley, by his second wife, Eleanor, illegitimate daughter of Edmund, earl of Kent. (Her first husband, Sir Richard Grey, lord Powis, d. 17 Dec. 1466. She was dead before 2 Feb. 1480/1.) She had one daughter by Sir Roger, the wife of Humphrey Kynaston. A large number of illegitimate children are ascribed to Sir Roger Vaughan. •_________________________

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• '(The body of text for Sir Robert Whitney's page does not list a dau. Joanne who married a Thomas Rogers, but she could of been overlooked. Plantagent Ancestry & Magna Carta Ancestry do not list her.)
• 'Joanne Whitney1
• 'F, #58575, b. circa 1456
• Father Sir Robert Whitney, Sheriff of Herefordshire b. c 1418, d. c 6 Oct 1494
• Mother Elsbeth Vaughan1,2 b. c 1428, d. a 4 May 1525
• ' Joanne Whitney was born circa 1456 at of Whitney, Herefordshire, England.1 She married Thomas Rogers circa 1475.1
• 'Family Thomas Rogers b. c 1470
• Citations
• 1.[S11588] Some Early English Pedigrees, by Vernon M. Norr, p. 145.
• 2.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 104.
• From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p1949.htm#...
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Sources

Whitney Research Group Archive:Welsh Genealogies