John ‘of Radnor’ Cadwallader

John "of Radnor" Cadwallader

• aka Cadwalader
• Born about 1650 in Radnorshire, Wales
• Died about 30 Dec 1742 at about age 92 in Goshen MM, Chester, Pennsylvania
• Parents: unknown
• Husband of Sarah (Roberts) Cadwallader — married 1675 in Radnorshire, Wales

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Disambiguation

• Several men of the same or similar name are frequently confused. Please note the following:
• John Cadwallader of Radnor (Pennsylvania); from Radnorshire, Wales. Has like-named son John ‘of Radnor’ Cadwallader, Jr..
• Not to be confused with: John Cadwalader of Philadelphia, from Bala, Merionethshire, Wales who's associated with: Robert Cadwallader [his descendants carry the surname Roberts].
• Not to be confused with: John Calwallader of Horsham, Pennsylvania d. on Quaker mission in 1742, Isle of Tortola, British West Indies.

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Biography

John was a Friend (Quaker)
He attended Radnor Monthly Meeting, Pennsylvania

John Cadwallader (aka Cadwalader) was also called "Cadder John" in some early records.

Some believe he arrived on the ship Vine in September 1684, stating it carried his wife, her father and seven servants, some of whom may not be named on different versions of the reconstructed passenger list.[1][2] However, stating this is the ship of arrival seems questionable. Even given the issue of surnames of Welsh migrants, the given names that would fit this family and the parents of the wife can only be picked out of this list (with improbable surnames) by taking parts of two different families of different points or origin.

He is said to have been a servant to Owen Roberts[citation needed] whose daughter Sarah Roberts became his wife.[3]

John Cadwallader was buried 30th 10 mo 1742 (30 Dec 1742) at Goshen Monthly Meeting, Chester County, Pennsylvania.[4]

Children

1. David
2. Nathan
3. John
4. Elizabeth
5. Gwen (Gwendolyn)

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John CADWALLADER bought 250 acres in Uwchlan 2 June 1715 and gave a small piece for a meeting house and burial ground. A meeting house was built, in what later became the village of Lionville. Early settlers included the brothers Griffith JOHN and Samuel John, both Friends ministers, the sons of John Philip and his wife Ellen.[3] Others were David Cadwallader and our John David.[4]

In a message dated 6/16/2008 2:52:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

sarner@. 4dv.net writes:

OK, thanks to Barclay Richards for sharing what he has collected on the Cadwallader family of interest here. Extracting what he put forward about John & Sarah:

1. John Cadwallader, b. 1664, Radnorshire, Wales, d. 30 Oct 1742, Goshen twp; m Sarah Roberts, c. 1686. Sarah, d. 10 Aug 1737.

children:

a. Cadwallader Jones, b 27 Jan 1687, Merionethshire, Wales.
b. Gwen Cadwallader, b. c. 1690.
c. David Cadwallader, b. 20 Feb 1694.
d. Nathan Cadwallader, b. 1696.
e. John Cadwallader, b. 5 Nov 1699, Radnor twp.
f. Elizabeth Cadwallader, b. 1701.

Upon inquiry from Ms Ferguson, these data are said by Mr Richards to derive from "Cope, The Early Church Books of Chester Co. and Delaware
Co., The Will Books of Early Chester Co., The Nottingham Quakers, Myers, Bart Anderson, and from some of the other knowledgeable family historians."

Comparing the above to my original query, it would appear that the works above are the sources for the inclusion and birthdates for children David, Nathan, John (f in the consensus), and Elizabeth (g in the consensus). They don't confirm or refute the birthplaces of these four children which have been put forth elsewhere. He does suggest that John (b. 1699) m. in 1729, wife unknown, and was father of Moses, where the assertions about John in the original list were that he m. an Elizabeth Gaitleff. (Not mentioned by me before, the consensus I related does indeed make John and Elizabeth G the parents of a Moses.)

The first variance with the consensus account is that Elizabeth (f above, g in consensus) is m. to a man surnamed Carter instead of Thomas (ap) John. Alternatively, Gwen (b above, a in consensus) is said to have m. Thomas (ap) John on 29 Apr 1713. Such a date for the marriage would seemingly rule out Elizabeth as the bride, as she would have been only 12 yo. Meantime, it also suggests that the birthdate of circa 1690 for Gwen is more likely than that given in the consensus account (1670, making her 43 yo at her wedding). Thus, Mr Richards's account seems to account for a Gwen in this family, but rules out that it is the one who was the wife of Robert Williams (another part of the consensus I omitted from my earlier missive).

Mr Richards's account also says that the John Cadwallader who d. 30 Oct 1742 in Goshen twp had been b. 1664 in Radnorshire, Wales, confirming the nativity of the consensus account while denying its date (1644/5). That, of course, rules out all the earlier children -- Gwen(dolyn), John, and Elizabeth -- of the consensus account. (Of course, it may still be possible that these children are all the children of another, earlier John Cadwallader, but it would be a raging coincidence if such John also m. a Sarah Roberts.) Mr Richards's account also seems to establish that the mother of this family was Sarah (maiden name Roberts) and d. 10 Aug 1737, but she was not likely as elderly at her decease as suggested by the consensus account.

Finally, there is the inclusion by Mr Richards of Cadwallader Jones as the eldest child of this family, with a firm date mentioned, as well as a nativity in Merionethshire, Wales. This strikes me as odd because of: (1) the change in surname, which does not correspond to that of others in the family (why use the Welsh onomatological traditions for just one child in a family?); (2) the change in Welsh residence -- Radnorshire to Merionethshire -- these were not people who could afford to move often or on a whim.

So, Mr Richards's account is (mostly) internally consistent, but it orphans Gwen(dolyn) Cadwal(l)ader, the wife of Robert Williams. The latter effect is likely to be highly resisted by descendants of that couple. Whether the Richards account is a reliable one depends upon whether the pertinent facts and inferrences are borne out by the sources cited (Cope, etc.). Being new to this area, and not familiar with the sources, can anyone here confirm Mr Richards? (Alternatively, can Mr Richards be more specific as to his citations for the above facts?) I am particularly intrigued by the precise birthdates given by both the consensus and Richards account for David (c) and John (e). This suggests a very knowledgeable source, but curiously it seems to be unknown to the well-informed Ms Ferguson. Since my own (likely) ancestor is David, establishing his birthdate and membership within a family is of keen interest to me.

Research Notes

There can be a temptation to add citations to profiles with few documented elements. The frequent conflation of biographical information of three individuals of the same name and a fourth of the same surname has produced extensive false genealogical information on this John Cadwallader over time. The following is a list of known innacurate or undocumented information with the source of that information where known. Kindly do not reintroduce any of this information to the narrative biography.

Immigration Sep 1684 on the Ship Vine, captured by pirates, take to West Indies. He does not appear on either version of the reconstructed passenger list of the Vine which arrived in July 1684. There is no documentation this John Cadwallader was ever in the West Indies.

Marriage: Sarah Ellin Roberts. His wife's name was Sarah bu there is no documentation of a given name Sarah-Ellin.

A child named Gwen Ellis [sic=Ellin] Cadwalader b: ABT 1675 in Goshen Twp, Chester Co., Pennsylvania. Goshen Twp. only founded after 1683; she must have been born in Wales as she married in 1691 at about 16 years old. This daughter is not properly documented.

Incorrect Source: "Burke's American Families (BAF)," Page: pg 2598

NOTE: this is not the lineage of the John Cadwallader of this profile, see Research Notes with link to BAF Text
Source: Image in the public domain as E-book text "Genealogy of the Sharpless family, descended from John and Jane Sharples, settlers near Chester, PA, 1682" by Henry Fishwick, P.H.S. (1835-1914) and the late Joseph Lemuel Chester (1821-1882); Published 1887, Philadelphia. < Archive.Org >

Sources

1. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/156869272/john-cadwallader (mixes up the two John Cadwalladers)
2. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~paxson/price/Davies.html
3. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cadwallader-35 cites
   1. Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild Passengers of the Vine 1684
   2. USGenWeb Archives
   3. Hargrave, Harry S., A brief history of the Quakers in England and Virginia and the Hargrave family, 1634-1939, Privately printed, Los Angeles, 1939, pp 52-53
   4. Swarthmore College; Swarthmore, Pennsylvania; Record of Burials; Collection: Quaker Meeting Records; Call Number: MR Ph 197
   5. Linn, Le Roy. "The Descendants of John Cadwallader Ancient and Medieval Wales and the Cadwallader and Quaker Traditions"
   6. Edwards, Jane Spencer, Wills and Inventories of the First Purchasers of the Welsh Tract, Pennsylvania Folk Life, Vol 23 No 2, Winter 1974, Ursinus College Digital Commons.