John Ogle

John Ogle

• b. 1690/97 in Del.
• d. 9 Apr. 1741 in Pa..

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Disputed Origins

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ogle-49

John Ogle (b. 1690/7 New Castle, Delaware - d. 09 Apr 1741).[1]

Family tradition once believed that John, was the son of John Ogle (dsp 1720). This started to change in the 1960s when a land document showed that Thomas Ogle deeded land to this John,[2][1] [3] Reagan (1978), however, was still a proponent of the old tradition in the late 1970's, but his charting shows that even he was uncertain about John's descent.[4]

Parents

Thomas Ogle[5]
Mary Crawford[5]

28 Oct 1721: Father Thomas Ogle, deeded John Ogle 200 acres on the south side of White Clay Creek.[11]

Family

m. Elizabeth (Robinson?) (A certified genealogist reportedly stated in 1988 that Elizabeth's name was Robinson. Circumstantial evidence indicates Elizabeth's name may have been Ball

Children:

1. William OGLE was born on 31 Mar 1719 in Delaware. He died on 19 Oct 1805 in Perry Co., Pennsylvania
2. Thomas OGLE was born on 25 Jul 1721 in New Castle Co., Delaware. He died in Mar 1803 in Grayson Co., Virginia. He was buried in Mar 1803 in Peavine Ridge, Carroll Co., Virginia. He married Elizabeth ROBESON on 17 Mar 1748 in New Castle Co., Delaware.
3. John OGLE was born on 27 Dec 1723. He died before 1790 in Mecklenberg Co., North Carolina. He married Mary Elizabeth ROBINSON.
4. Alexander OGLE was born in 1724. He died in Kentucky.
5. Mary OGLE was born on 18 Jun 1726. She died in 1797 in Mecklenberg Co., North Carolina.
6. Benjamin OGLE was born in 1727. He died in 1753 in Augusta Co., Virginia.
7. Elizabeth OGLE was born on 19 May 1729. She married John STILLE on 26 Sep 1754 in New Castle Co., Delaware.
8. Hercules OGLE Sr. was born on 6 Apr 1731 in Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania. He died in Sep 1804 in Grayson Co., Virginia. He married Mary CARSON in Dec 1755 in Botetourt Co., Virginia. Children: Elizabeth, Lucretia, Hannah, Benjamin, John, William, Mary, James, Naomi, Hercules Jr., Hiram, Sarah
9. Lucretia OGLE was born on 19 Apr 1733. She died in 1800 in Randolph Co., North Carolina. She married Abraham STROUD on 2 Apr 1752 in New Castle Co., Delaware.

Supporting data

John Ogle: http://www.smokykin.com/ged/f000/f06/a0000687.htm

Lineage goes all the way back to England and several noble lines, including kings of Europe. His 10th great grandmother, Matilda "Maud" Grey 1394-1451 is descended from the de Mowbray and Plantagenet lines which leads back to the medieval royalty of Europe, including Edward I, Henry III, Phillip III, Louis XI, all the way to Charlemagne.

Matilda "Maud" Grey: http://www.smokykin.com/ged/f000/f38/a0003804.htm

OGLE FAMILY GENEALOGY AND HISTORY

Age seems to have all kinds of effects on people. I've noticed that as I age, it is important that I understand my past. I don't live in the past but I've found myself enjoying it more than I used to.

I guess that desire has led me to explore and learn what I can about "where I came from."

A few years ago I started a study of the Ogle Genealogy and it has been a fascinating journey!

Much of what I've learned is just too good to keep to myself so on this page I'll share with you some of the stories I've uncovered about us Ogles. I'll also include photographs when possible. I sincerely hope that my own family will find this information interesting. Check back regularly because you never know what you might find!

IMPORTANT!!!!!

Anyone desiring to do serious genealogical work on the Ogle family MUST be a part of the Ogle/Ogles Family Association! You can become a member today! Check out their website for more information.

You can click here to go to the Ogle/Ogles Family Association Website. After visiting click on your "Back" button to return here.

    The name Ogle and its many derivations are so ancient that the exact origin, spelling and true meaning of the name may be lost in antiquity. 

The name Ogle may have come from the Celts who immigrated from Western Europe to the British Isles as early as 1000 BC. The Swedish name Ogell, which existed in the eighth century, may have been the source of our name. Some researchers believe that the name Ogle, or its equivalent, was Gotho-Scandinavian, possibly from Jutland.
The first identified Ogle or Hoggell ancestor among the English, a Humphrey de Ogle, was, in about the eleventh century, granted, "all such lands and liberties as he or any of his predecessors had before the coming of the Normans." Therefore, knowing who his "predecessors" were was of prime importance to Humphrey de Ogle, a Saxon, because it enabled him to regain his land from the Norman conquerors of England.
Historians record that in Northumberland only a handful of Saxon families survived the Norman takeover. The Ogles of Ogle (a small hamlet) who probably did homage for their lands, were among the few survivors.
The history of the Ogles in England, during the 600 years following the landing of William the Conqueror in 1066, is rich and colorful. The Ogles' history kept close pace with events in Northumberland--the wild border region between England and Scotland--where the Ogles originated, expanded and flourished.
Scores of English Border families in Northumberland held their lands in fief of the king for wars and raids on the Scottish Border. Many Ogles were knighted for service to Crown and Country. At least seven lords and thirty knights descended from Humphrey Ogle, Esq.
Most Ogles and Ogleses in America are very likely descendants of King Edward I through the children of Sir Robert Ogle (1380-1436) of Ogle Castle and Matilda (Maude ) Grey, daughter of Sir Thomas Grey of Heton. Matilda, a descendant of King Edward I, married Sir Robert in 1399. They had several children.
The Ogle motto is:

Prenez en Gré

"Accept in Gratitude"

This is one of my favorite pictures of my Dad, David Wesley Ogle (1891-1979).

The picture above really IS my Mama's Family or at least a part of it. My Granddad, Tim Frank Farris (1878-1936) and my Grandmother, Lula Margaret Mason Farris (1875-1950) are shown with (left to right) Thurman Farris, Everett Farris, and Novelle May Farris (1905-1999) , my Mom!

We begin our search for ancestors with my own ANCESTRAL CHART. Family members can use this information to develop their own chart.

JAMES HARLAN OGLE

ANCESTRAL CHART

John Ogle, b. 1648/49 or earlier in England

    d. before 8 Feb. 1684 in New Castle Co., Del.

m. Elizabeth __________
Their son:
Thomas Ogle, b.c. 1666/72 in Del.

    d. between 30 July and 18 Sep. 1734 in New Castle Co., Del.

m. (1) Mary Crawford, before 4 Mar. 1694
Their son:
John Ogle, b. 1690/97 in Del.

    d. 9 Apr. 1741 in Pa.

m. Elizabeth (Robinson?) (A certified genealogist reportedly stated in
1988 that Elizabeth's name was Robinson. Circumstantial evidence
indicates Elizabeth's name may have been Ball.
Their son:
Thomas Ogle, b. 25 July 1721 in New Castle Co., Del.

    d. between Mar. 1802 and Mar. 1803 in Grayson Co. (later Carroll

Co.) Va.
m. Elizabeth Robeson (name recorded on the marriage record), 17 Mar.
1748 in Wilmington, New Castle Co., Del. Elizabeth may have been
from a family who more commonly spelled the name Robinson or other
similiar form.
Their son:
John Ogle, b 19 Jan. 1753 in New Castle Co., Del.

    d. poss. 1808 in Green Co., Ky.

m. Sarah Dennis, 18 Jan. 1773 in Rowan Co., No. Car.
Their son:
Dennis Ogle (Ogles), b. about 1781/86, probably in Montgomery Co. Va.

    d. after 1843 in Coffee Co., Tenn.

m. (2) Rebecca Bedwell, prob. in Grainger Co., Tenn
Their son:
Abner Ogle (Ogles), b. 1 Dec. 1811 in Tenn.

    d. 16 Sep. 1876 in Tulahoma, Coffee Co., Tenn.

m. Rutha Jane Meadows, abt. 1833
Their son:
Iverson H. Ogle, b. 11 Jan. 1834 in Hickory Creek, Warren Co., Tenn.

    d. 26 Oct. 1863 in Coffee Co., Tenn.

m. Nancy Catherine Minerva Bradshaw, 1 Dec. 1853
Their son:
John Wesley "J.W." Ogle, b. 12 Oct. 1854 in Coffee Co., Tenn.

    d. 9 June 1930 in Manchester, Coffee Co., Tenn.

m. Martha Hanna Yates, 29 Apr. 1887 in Coffee Co., Tenn.
Their son:
David Wesley Ogle, b. 6 Jan. 1891 in Manchester, Coffee Co., Tenn.

    d. 27 Feb. 1979 in Columbia, Maury Co., Tenn.

m. (2) Novella May Farris, 5 Feb. 1929 in Manchester, Coffee
Co. Tenn.
Their son:
JAMES HARLAN OGLE, b. 20 Apr. 1941 in Columbia, Maury Co. Tenn.

    m. Helen Gale Thurman, 2 June 1961 in Columbia, Maury Co., Tenn.

The picture above is a photograph of John Wesley Ogle, (1854-1930), MY GRANDFATHER, his wife (and MY GRANDMOTHER), Martha Hanna Yates Ogle, (1887-1936), along with unknown other family members. I believe that one of the children in the photo might be my Dad, David Wesley Ogle.

Below is a photograph of James Polk Yates, (1843-1907) MY GREAT GRANDFATHER and his wife (and MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER), Mary Jane Custer Yates (1845-1907). James Polk Yates fought in the Confederate Army and I believe he is wearing a military medal on his lapel. I have a copy of his application for an army pension. James Polk and Mary Jane Custer Yates were the parents of Martha Hanna Yates, the wife of John Wesley Ogle.

My Dad, David Wesley Ogle (1891-1979), lived with his parents in a house located at the Stone Fort in Manchester, Tennessee. I have been told that one of the little children standing in the photograph below is my Dad.

References

• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ogle-49

1. Ogle, R.W. & Engler, J.F. (2012). Looking Back at the Ogle Family: A Comprehensive History and Genealogy of the Ogle Families in America, 1, p. 201 - 202. Seattle, WA: The Genealogy Printing Co. Print.[1]
2. John is called the "son of Thomas Ogle of White Clay Creek" in a deed between the two men, dated 28 Oct 1721, (Lyons, E.M., (1990). Rethinking the early Ogle ancestries in America. The Ogle Genealogist, 11, pp. 36-37. O/OFA. www.ogles.org. Print).[2]
3. Edna Lyons, who showed through wills, deeds and other records, that John (dsp. 1720), died with no children.[3]
4. Reagan, D.B. (1978) Smoky Mountain Clans, 1. eBook.
5. "Note 4: Ancestry of John3 Ogle." Genealogy of John Ogle, the Kings Soldier in America: 4 generations posted as of January 24, 2010. oglekin.org
6. Elizabeth's last name might be Robeson, Robinson or Ball according to speculation. There is no proof to back any of the surnames up.[4]
7. www.smokeykin.com: children:
   1. William B. Ogle, b. 1719, d. 1805 (Age 86 years)
   2. Thomas, b. 25 Jul 1721, New Castle, DE, d. 1803, Carroll, VA (age 81 years)
   3. John, b. 1723
   4. Alexander, b. 1724
   5. Mary, b. 1726
   6. Benjamin, b. 1727
   7. Elizabeth,b. 1729
   8. Hercules, b. 6 Apr 1731 Lancaster, PA, d. Sep 1804, Carrol, VA (age 73 years)
   9. Lucretia, b. 1733
   10. "John Stille and Elizabeth Ogle, Sep 1754." Delaware Marriages, 1713-1919," FamilySearch. Accessed 17 June 2015; citing Holy Trinity Or Old Swedes Church,Wilmington,New Castle,Delaware; FHL microfilm 0908217 IT 1.
8. p.William Carson and Mary ___)
9. Reagan, D.B. (1978). Thomas Ogle of Grayson co., Virginia," in Smoky Mountain Clans, 1, p. 129.
10. Ogle & Engler, 2012, p. I-202 citing: New Castle, Co., DE, Court Record Book C, Vol. 1, p. 197.
11. Ogle, W. (2016, August 30). Ancestry of John III Ogle. Bree Ogle, Ed. O/OFA. www.ogles.org.[5]