John Thwaites, of Lofthouse and Denton

John Thwaites, by his will written on 22. Jan 1461-2 (proved Oct 1469), desired to be buried in the church in Harewood, West Riding, Yorkshire, England.

family

His father was probably Thomas Thwaites of Denton, living in 1411.

JOHN THWAITES was married twice.

I. bef 5 Apr 1415 to Jane Thornton, daughter of Robert Thornton of York. Their children:

• (1) THOMAS THWAITES, ESQ. OF DENTON married to ALICE DE LA HAY
• (2) Henry Thwaites of Lund, father of the EDMUND THWAITES OF LUND above. He made his will 31. Mar 1478 desiring to be buried in the church of All Saints in Lund.
• (3) Joan (or Jane), married Lionel Copley of Batley by 1444
• (4) Elizabeth, married Edward Brockett in 1450; the marriage brought Edward half of Steeton, which John Thwaites gave as a marriage dowry with his daughter, thereby making an alliance with the leading local family. In return the groom's family guaranteed the bride a juncture, an annuity in case of her widowhood, as mentioned in Edward's will.

Jane must have died by 1439, as

II. In about 1439 John Thaite remarried to Isabel daughter of William Ryther. Their children:

• (1) Mathilda (Maud), married to John Middleton of Stockeld; both were the grandparents of SIR WILLIAM MIDDLETON, High Sheriff of York in 1529.
• (2) Sybilia (Sibil), married Christopher Wandesford, mother unspecified; was she named for Isabel's mother Sybil?
• (3) Alice (Agnes), unmarried in 1463; married Thomas Gower

biography

From https://williamhenryfluen.de.tl/William-Thwaites.htm

JOHN THWAITES OF LOFTHOUSE AND DENTON was a lawyer of considerable repute temp. Henry VI, who was legal adviser to Thomas, Lord Clifford, when a minor and patron of Bolton Priory. His name appears in the Compotus for 1447 as first counsellor to that lord Sir Barnard Brocas, who married Agnes Vavasour, and from whom she was divorced, but had issue. Sir Barnard Brocas, who was attainted and executed in 1399, was lord of Denton. At about the time, when his mother died, William Brocas, grandson of Agnes Vavasour, made over his estate at Denton, by deed of feofment, to William Gascoigne, JOHN THWAITES, and others, from whom John Vavasour of Weston is stated to have recovered the same. Jakub's feudal aides' records for 1428 that William Gascoigne (as feoffee) and John Thwaites held Denton and Ulsyngton (surely Wolsington).

By will dated 22. Jan 1461-2, and proved Oct 1469 he desired to be buried in the church of Harewood leaving the residue to his co-executors, one being his second wife Isabelle, sister of Sir William Ryther of Harewood Castle, knight and otherwise mentioning only their unmarried daughter Alice Thwaites, who became the wife of Sir Thomas Gower of Stittenham, knighted by the Duke of Gloucester in Scotland 24. July 1482.

NOTE: In 10 Hen VI (1431/32) John Thwaites enfeoffed (?) Sir William Gascoigne with 'my manor of Denton', but John Thwaites and his wife Isabel [Ryther] were regranted Denton with a new entail, first to their [future] male heirs, then to John's son Thomas and his male heirs, then the male heirs of John's daughter Matilda married to John Middleton of Stockeld, and then the right heirs of John. This was likely associated with John's marriage to Isabel Ryther. John Thwaites again granted Denton then to his son Thomas, and Thomas' wife Alicia dau of Thomas del Hay in 37 Hen VI (1468/69). By this it is clear that Thwaites had no male issue by his second wife, and Thomas m. Alicia de la Haye was the heir of Denton. Mathilda (Maud) Thwaites was perhaps the eldest daughter by his second wife, Isabel Ryther.

notes

From https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval...

John Thwaites m. Jane Thornton about 1415/16 - "5 Apr 3 Henry V [1415/16], I Robert Thornton, of Davygate, doth give and grant to John Thwaits and Joan his wife, my daughter, all my lands in the parish of Leake, and in the town of Skelton in the Forest, etc."[11]

[11] Lardiner to Thwaites to Fairfax pedigree, with related sources; in Thomas Widdrington; Analecta Eboracensia: Some Remaynes of the Ancient City of York; London; Clark; 1897; pages 258-260. Also see Appendix page 307-310. Online @ http://books.google.com/books?id=mzhAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA258

From https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval...

http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no717/bCP40no717dorses/IMG_1905...
Easter 1440, second full entry:
London. William Chapman versus John Thwaytes, of Lofthous, Yorks, gentleman, for debt (and others).

• https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/121105078/john-thwaites
• page 10 of Testamenta Eboracensia: A Selection of Wills from the Registry at York ... edited by James Raine, John William Clay. "The will of Alice Thwaites, March 11, 1485/6."
• page 454 of Dugdale's Visitation of Yorkshire, with Additions, Parts 8-10 By Sir William Dugdale. "Ryther of Scarecroft"
• page 67 of Story of the family of Wandesforde of Kirklington & Castlecomer : compiled from original sources with a calendar enthistorical manuscripts by McCall, Hardy Bertram, 1859- Publication date 1904 "Pedigree of Wandesforde of Kirklington & Castlecomer"
• Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 446. link Joan Thwaites, wife of Lionel Copley, mother of John Copley b 1444, Daughter of John Thwaites, of Lofthouse [no mother listed]
• https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/soc.genealogy.medieval/o7...
• https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=allerton...
  • DSCR: Foster's Visitation of Yorkshire in 1584/5 and 1612. "Wandesford, of Kirklington."
  • DSCR: "The Extinct and Dormant Peerages of the Northern Counties of England" by J.W. Clay.
• http://www.multiwords.de/genealogy/thwaites02.htm
• http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-08/... 1 Aug 2014 posting of TJ Booth re: Descent ofg Denton, Vavasour to Thwaites to Fairfax
• http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p1584.htm#...
  • The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, by Gerald Paget, Vol. II, p. 442.
  • Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 385.
  • Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 446.