John de Mowbray, 2nd Baron Mowbray

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House of Mowbray on Wikipedia

It has been said that the Mowbrays governing center in the North was a small castle in Burton-in-Lonsdale.

"This was a motte castle with two baileys. In 1322 it was confiscated from the Mowbrays who had been in opposition to King Edward II."

John de Mowbray, 2nd Baron Mowbray

John de Mowbray, 2nd Baron Mowbray (4 September 1286 – 23 March 1322) was the son of Roger de Mowbray, 1st Baron Mowbray. Lord of the manors of Tanfield and Well, Yorkshire.

De Mowbray served in the Scottish wars of Edward I. The baron held such offices as sheriff of Yorkshire, governor of the city of York, a warden of the Scottish marches, governor of Malton and Scarborough Castles.

He took part in the rebellion of Thomas, Earl of Lancaster. He was captured at the battle of Boroughbridge and subsequently hanged at York.

John de Mowbray married Aline de Braose, (b. 1291 d. ca 1331), daughter of William de Braose, 2nd Baron Braose and Lord of Gower.[1] They had at least two sons:

• John,(b. 29 November 1310, Yorkshire, England d.1361 who succeeded his father to the barony.
• Alexander, (c. 1314 – c. 1391.)

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Mowbray,_2nd_Baron_Mowbray

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• Sir John de Mowbray, 2nd Baron Mowbray, Gower, & Bramber, Sheriff of York1,2,3,4,5,6,7
• M, #11355, b. 4 September 1286, d. 23 March 1322
• Father Sir Roger de Mowbray, 1st Baron Mowbray8,9 b. c 1256, d. c 21 Nov 1297
• Mother Rose de Clare8,9 b. c 1255, d. a 1316
• Sir John de Mowbray, 2nd Baron Mowbray, Gower, & Bramber, Sheriff of York was born on 4 September 1286 at of Axholme, Lincolnshire, England; Also held property in Haynes & Willington, Bedfordshire; Crick, Northamptonshire; Burton in Lonsdale, Hovingham, Kirkby Malzeard, & Thirsk, Yorkshire.2,4,6 He married Aline de Brewes, daughter of Sir William de Brewes, 2nd Lord Brewes, Lord Bramber & Gower and Agnes, circa 29 November 1297 at Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales; They had 1 son (Sir John, 3rd Lord Mowbray).2,3,4,5,10,6,7 Sir John de Mowbray, 2nd Baron Mowbray, Gower, & Bramber, Sheriff of York died on 23 March 1322 at York, Yorkshire, England, at age 35; Taken prisoner after the Battle of Boroughbridge (16 March 1322) and hanged a week later. Buried at Friars Preachers, York, Yorkshire.2,4,6
• Family Aline de Brewes b. c 1290, d. c 20 Jul 1331
• Child
  • Sir John de Mowbray, 3rd Baron Mowbray, Baron of Axholme & Bramber+2,4,5,6,7 b. 29 Nov 1310, d. 4 Oct 1361
• Citations
• 1.[S3078] Unknown author, Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th Ed., by F. L. Weis, p. 70; The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, by Ronny O. Bodine, p. 113; Wallop Family, p. 573.
• 2.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 530.
• 3.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 321.
• 4.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 201-202.
• 5.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 488-489.
• 6.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 181-182.
• 7.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 551-552.
• 8.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 200.
• 9.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 180.
• 10.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 534.
• From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p378.htm#i... _________________________
• John de Mowbray, 2nd Lord Mowbray1
• M, #151697, b. 4 September 1286, d. 23 March 1321/22
• Last Edited=22 Jul 2005
• John de Mowbray, 2nd Lord Mowbray was born on 4 September 1286.1 He was the son of Roger de Mowbray and Rose de Clare.2 He married Aline de Breuse, daughter of Sir William de Breuse, 2nd Lord Brewes and Agnes (?), in 1298 at Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales.3 He died on 23 March 1321/22 at age 35 at York, Yorkshire, England, hanged.1
• He succeeded to the title of 2nd Lord Mowbray in 1297. He fought in the Battle of Boroughbridge on 23 March 1321/22.4
• Child of John de Mowbray, 2nd Lord Mowbray and Aline de Breuse
  • 1.John de Mowbray, 3rd Lord Mowbray+1 b. 29 Nov 1310, d. 4 Oct 1361
• Citations
• 1.[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume IX, page 379. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
• 2.[S1916] Tim Boyle, "re: Boyle Family," e-mail message to Darryl Roger Lundy, 16 September 2006. Hereinafter cited as "re: Boyle Family."
• 3.[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume II, page 303.
• 4.[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume II, page 304.
• From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p15170.htm#i151697 ______________________________
• ROGER de Mowbray, son of ROGER de Mowbray & his wife Matilda de Beauchamp (-[Gent] before 21 Nov 1297, bur Fountains Abbey). A manuscript which recites the Mowbray ancestry records that “Rogerus”, son of “Willielmus de Molbray”, and his wife had “filias tres et filium unum…Rogerum”[1115]. He was summoned to parliament 24 Jun 1295, whereby he is held to have become Lord Mowbray. A writ dated 4 Oct "23 Edw I", after the death of "Isabel late the wife of Simon de Bello Campo" refers to "Wottone, the manor…held in dower, by the assignment of the said Simon with the consent of William de Bello Campo his father, of the heirs of the barony of Bedford", and names as heirs "of the said barony, Roger aged 30 and more, son of Maud de Moubray sister of the said Simon…"[1116]. A manuscript record of the Mowbray family (many of the details in which relating to the early generations of the family are inconsistent with other sources) states that “Rogerus”, son of “Rogerus”, died “in Gant ultra mare” and was buried “ad abbatiam de Fontibus…anno 1299”[1117].
• m (1270) ROHESE de Clare, daughter of RICHARD de Clare Earl of Gloucester and Hertford & his second wife Matilda de Lacy of Lincoln (1252-after 1316). The Chronica de Fundatoribus et Fundatione of Tewkesbury Abbey names “Isabella primogenita, Margareta et Roysea” as the three daughters of “Ricardus de Clare secundus filius et hæres…Gilberti et Isabellæ” and his wife “Matildem…filiam comitis Lincolniæ”[1118]. A manuscript which recites the Mowbray ancestry records that “Rogerus”, son of “Willielmus de Molbray”, married “Roysam”[1119].
• Roger & his wife had [two] children:
  • 1. JOHN de Mowbray (4 Sep 1286-hanged York 23 Mar 1322). A manuscript which recites the Mowbray ancestry names “Johannem” as the son of “Rogerus”, son of “Willielmus de Molbray”, and his wife[1120]. A manuscript relating to the Mowbray family records the birth “II Non Sep” in 1286 of “Johannes filius Dñi Rogeri de Moubray”[1121]. He succeeded his father in 1297 as Lord Mowbray. He fought for the Earl of Lancaster at the battle of Boroughbridge but was captured by Andrew de Harcia, hanged and his estates forfeited. m (Swansea 1298) as her first husband, ALINE de Briouse, daughter of WILLIAM de Briouse Lord Brewes, Lord of Gower (-before 20 Jul 1331). A manuscript record of the Mowbray family states that “Johannes filius [Roger]” married “Elianoram filiam domini Willielmi de Brewes in Wallia”[1122]. She married secondly Richard de Peshale. The primary source which confirms her second marriage has not yet been identified. Lord John & his wife had one child:
    • a) JOHN Mowbray (Hovingham, Yorkshire 29 Nov 1310-4 Oct 1361, bur Bedford). “Johannes filius et hæres Johannis de Moubray dominus insulæ de Haxiholme, et de honoribus de Gouher et de Brember” confirmed the donations to Byland Abbey by his ancestors by charter dated “in festo sanctæ Margaretæ virginis 1345”[1123]. He succeeded his father as Lord Mowbray de iure when the latter was hanged in 1322.
    • - see below.
  • 2. [ROGER de Mowbray . The parentage of Roger has not been confirmed. From a chronological point of view, he could have been a younger son of Roger de Mowbray. The absence of any reference to his parents in the source quoted below suggests that Roger had reached the age of majority at the time of his betrothal, even though his betrothed was probably still a child at the time. If that assumption is correct, it is unlikely that Roger was the son of John de Mowbray who died in 1322. Betrothed (Papal dispensation 17 Apr 1312) to MARGARET Abernethy, daughter of ALEXANDER Abernethy & his wife ---. The Papal dispensation for the marriage between “dominum Rogerum de Moubray” and “Margaretam filiam...Alexandri de Abbernythy”, who were “in gradu consanguinitatis prohibito”, is dated 17 Apr 1312[1124].]
• From: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#J...
• a) WILLIAM de Breuse (-before 1 May 1326). Wrottesley shows "William, Richard ob s.p., Peter, Margaret" as the children of "William de Breouse lord of Brembre 9 E.1=Mary", in a claim brought by "Thomas de Breouse" against "Alina formerly wife of John de Moubray" for the manors of Grenestede, Wassington and Fyndon in Sussex[1851]. Lord Brewose. m firstly ---. m secondly ELIZABETH de Sully, daughter of RAYMUND de Sully of Sully, co. Glamorgan & his wife --- ([1295/96]-before 24 Aug 1328). William & his first wife had two children:
  • i) ALINE de Breuse (-before 20 Jul 1331). A manuscript record of the Mowbray family states that “Johannes filius [Roger]” married “Elianoram filiam domini Willielmi de Brewes in Wallia”[1852]. m firstly (Swansea 1298) JOHN de Mowbray, son of ROGER de Mowbray Lord Mowbray & his wife Rohese de Clare (4 Sep 1286-hanged York 23 Mar 1322). m secondly RICHARD de Peshale, son of ---.
  • ii) JOAN de Breuse (-before 23 Jun 1324). .... etc.
• From: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3.htm#AlineB... ________________________

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This John resembles John de Mowbray, 2nd Baron Mowbray. Are they supposed to be the same person? Further research is warranted.