Joseph Vick, Sr., of Lower Parish

FTDNA - Q M242 is 80% represented by Native y dna and 20% represented by Nordic..
It was disputed that this line came from England; but the type of ydna shows that it did come from England, is not native in origination, but mutated as explained in this project: https://www.geni.com/projects/Q-F1161-Y-DNA/36360

Joseph Vick

• Born about 1640 - Kings Stanley, Gloucestershire England
• Deceased before 1704 - Lower Parish, Isle of Wight County, VA , age at death: possibly 61 years old
• Parents: Richard VICK ca 1610-ca 1664 & Marjorie (MEEKE) VICK ca 1612-

Planter & Skilled Farmer, of Lower Parish, Isle of Wight County, VA

Spouses

1. Kings Stanley, Gloucester, England, to Mary (ENGLAND) VICK ca 1640-
2. 20 October 1663, Lower Parish, Isle of Wight County, VA, to Margery (RUSSELL) VICK ca 1640-ca 1704
3. about 1673, Isle of Wight County, VA, to an unknown woman ca 1648-ca 1744.

Children of Joseph Vick and his unknown 3rd wife

1. F Lucy (VICK) PARKER ca 1674-ca 1734
2. M Richard VICK ca 1685-1758
3. M John VICK ca 1687-ca 1741
4. M Robert VICK ca 1690-1736
5. M Joseph VICK ca 1692-1770
6. M William VICK ca 1695-ca 1778

Biographical notes

Joseph Vick, (born - Abt 1640 & died - Abt 1695) - Almost all Vick's are descendents of this Joseph Vick. In the search for Vick family orgins, our earliest find was a Flemish weaver, Richard Veke, in Kings Stanley in 1270. The original family name was Leveske, an old French surname meaning Bishop, In classic English Fashion, the French name mutated into Le Veck, then Veck and eventually Vick.

The centuries passed, and in 1640 Joseph Vick was born in Kings Stanley, a younger son of Richard Vick (b. - abt 1604). By this time, foreign competition had nearly ended the weaving trade, and a younger son had little choice except to find another means of supporting himself. So young Joseph headed for Bristol, 30 miles away, and took passage to Virginia, landing in Isle of Wight County, across the James River from Jamestown by about 1675. He obviously came with money as he quickly purchased land and began farming (his land is now in Southampton County, VA). His neighbors included Tom Joyner from Dorse and Anthony Fulgham from Cheshire (by way of Barbados), both also from England.

From http://www.jvfoa.com/jvfoa-2-2013/jvfoa-ped4-2013/individual.html#1...

Joseph Vick settled in Virginia prior to 1675 in Isle of Wight County, Virginia, which in 1747 became Southampton County, VA. On September 22, 1682, as payment for transporting seven people to the Virginia colony, he was granted a tract of 320 acres on the Chowan River in Lower Parish, Isle of Wight, Virginia. This land adjoined lands that had been granted to Hodges Council in April 1674. In 1683, Joseph purchased a tract of land in Isle of Wight from Rowland and Ellen Burkley for three hundred pounds of tobacco. His wife at that time is not known, but she may have been Lucy, daughter of Hodges Council, who was neighbor to Joseph. [SIC: not possible] This relationship is implied in the deed of land from Hodges Council dated August 9, 1692, to Lucy Vick, daughter of Joseph Vick (Isle of Wight County, VA, Will and Deed Book, p. 480).

From Joseph Vick of Lower Parish, Isle of Wight County, Virginia, and His Descendants, Vol. 1. p. 7

Three of his children can be proved from legal records. Lucy is specifically named in the deed of gift. Richard is proved to be Joseph's son through inheritance: Even though Joseph seems to have died intestate, the prevailing laws of primogeniture would cause his real property to go to his oldest surviving son in the absence of a will. It did: in April 1742, Richard Vick sold Joseph Vick's original 320 acre grant to John Darden. 14 William is proved through another land transfer. In 1719, Richard sold a parcel of
land described as adjoining land he had earlier sold "to my brother William
Vick".15

Three sons, John, Robert and Joseph, are unproved but highly probable. Their ages would qualify them as Joseph's sons; they settled on lands either adjoining or near one another in the area originally settled by
Joseph; they interacted in legal actions (witnessing deeds and wills, civil suits); Joseph [#5] married Margaret Mayo, daughter of William Mayo, whose land adjoined Josephl; there are no Vick immigration records that
would indicate separate immigration; in the early generations they adhere to family naming patterns.

"According to genetic testing of many of his male descendants, Joseph was a sub-clade of y-Haplogroup Q .
Dr. Stephen Oppenheimer of Oxford University has said (in communications with James Larry Vick) that Joseph’s first ancestor in the British Isles was most likely an invader from northern Norway and ultimately from Asia." ~Jason F. Vick

"JOSEPH VICK, planter, of Lower Parish, Isle of Wight County, Virginia, was probably a native of Gloucestershire in England.
His exact place of birth is unknown; he was probably born between 1640 and 1650.
He died in Isle of Wight County, Virginia, before 1704.
The earliest records of English Vicks are found in only Gloucestershire and begin around the middle of the sixteenth century.
A Richard Vicke of Kings Stanley, Gloucestershire, left a will dated 21 February 1565/6 that was proved in the Consistory Court.
Richard had two sons, Edward and John, both of whom were probably the fathers of some of the Vick children baptized at Kings Stanley between 1574 and 1588, whose parents are not recorded.
While no baptismal record for a Joseph Vick has been found, the records of Kings Stanley show the marriage of a Joseph Vick to Margery Russell on 20 October 1663.
However, the register of the neighboring parish of Woodchester reveals that Margery Vick, "wife of Joseph" died in 1704 while the register of Leonard Stanley records the death of that Joseph Vick on 23 October 1712.
Records of the Vick family can also be found in the neighoring towns of Standish, Harwicke, and Estington.
At Estington in 1608, a Richard Vicke, tailor, was listed as competent to handle a caliver.
His children cannot be traced because the early parish records are lost.
Joseph probably came to Virginia in the mid-to-late 1660s.
Sir William Berkeley's settlement plan for the colony of Virginia drew many settlers from Gloucestershire, Warwichshire and Staffordshire.
Attracted by the opportunity to become independent land owners, they were ordinary men and women of the "middling sort", who brought with them the customs of their home counties and adapted them to Virginia."

IMPORTANT NOTE:
No single confirming source, nor corroborating evidence solidly indicates that Joseph was born or derived from Gloucestershire, England specifically, or anywhere from greater England, not just from the Gloucestershire, Warwichshire and Staffordshire (although England is the most probable origin).
The details remain, including with the use of genetics, highly speculative as of yet, as of year 2016.
Fortunately, we have a very unique y-Haplotype to isolate the specific region eventually via surviving common descendants once they've been tested... and/or via some yet undiscovered historical document or evidence. - Jason F. Vick

THE WIFE DEBACLE

"Some researchers, because of the gift, have supposed Joseph's wife to be Hodges' daughter, Lucy Council -. Lucy Councill, however, married Richard Wooten after her father's death in 1699."

Col. Robert Arthur eventually rejected the theory that Joseph1 was married to a daughter of Hodges Councill.

He stated, "The wife of Joseph Vick is not named in the records, but it is not likely that she was a daughter of Hodges Councill, as has been inferred... from the wording of a deed...
Equally valid would be the inference that the gift was from godparents to a child named after her godmother." - Robert Arthur, Vick [New Orleans: Typescript, 1959], 2.
Extracted by James T. STORY III Feb 2004Colonial Families of Surry and Isle of Wight Counties, Virginia, Volume 6, Isle of Wight County, Virginia, Will & Deed Book I (1662-1688), Abstracts of Deeds, 1715, pp. 1-32Compiled by John Anderson Brayton

Page 287 [480] March 1681Be it knowne unto all men by these presents, that I Hoges Council of the Lower Parish of Isle of Wight County doe firmely give & bequeath, from me my heires Executors Administrators or Assignes unto Josepth VICK of ye same Parish & County his heires Executjjors or assignees aparcel of land conteining fifty acres, more or less scituate lyeing &being upon ye heads of ye branches of the Beaver Dam Swamp, the first branch running North & by West up the Robert Lawrence ould line yeother Branch North & by East to my head lyne which said Neck of Land being bounded as above named I the said Hoges Council doe make firmely unto ye said Vick with all commodities aptences & hereditam there unto belonging, further more it is agreed, if the said Joseph Vick have any other child besides this his present daughter goeing by & bearing the name of Lucy she shall after the decease of her father, injoy ye land but if the said Lucy shall decease without heir then the said Landshall fall to either brother or sister, but if ye said Joseph Vick &his daughter shall both decease without heir then the aforesaid Landshall fall unto ye said Hoges Council or his heires again, but for yemore better and authentick confirmacon, I the said Hoges Council doebind me my heires of Assignes to make firme unto Joseph Vick & hisdaughter Lucy or their heires the aforesaid Land, & to acknowledge yesaid Deed in Open Court to be free & voluntary with soever ye said Vick shall require it as witness & seales ye day & date above written.Signed sealed & did in ye prescense of John Browne, Rowland Buckly and Richard Booth.
Signed Hoges Council and Lucy Council.

The following information was provided by Di Ann Vick by email.
She was a co-author of the Joseph Vick book, and very sadly is now deceased. - Jason F. Vick

Three wives have been attributed to Joseph Vick:Lucy [?Council], Margery Russell, and Unknown.

1. Lucy [?Council]
This is the oldest tradition.
Who first proposed that Joseph married a daughter of Hodges Council is not known.
Two of the earliest family historians, Meta Russell and Col. Robert Arthur, both initially reported such a marriage, but Col. Arthur subsequently changed his mind.
The belief stems from this deed of gift from Hodges Council to Joseph Vick dated 20 September 1675:

Be it known unto all men by these presents, that I, Hodges Council of ye Lower Parish of the Isle of of Wight County, do firmly give and bequeath from me my heirs and administrators and assignees unto Joseph Vick of ye said Parish and County, his heirs, Exs. and Assigns, a parcel of land containing 50 acres [the property's boundaries are then described]; furthermore it is agreed if the sd. Joseph Vick have any other child besides this his present daughter going by & bearing the name of Lucy, she shall after the decease of her father, enjoy the sd. Land for her & her heirs. But if the aforesd. Joseph Vick shall have any more children by this his present wife, sonne or Daughter, nevertheless the above sd. Lucy shall enjoy ye Land, but if the sd. Lucy shall deceased without heir then the sd. Land shall fall to either Brother or Sister, but if the said Joseph Vick and his daughter Lucy shall bothe deceased without heirs, then the aforesaid land shall fall unto ye said Hodges Councill and his heirs again ... ." (Isle of Wight Deed Book 1:480)

Since the earliest land surveys had been based on pacing off distances between impermanent landmarks, in later years property lines were resurveyed using compases.
Hodges Council re filed his deed of gift to reflect the correct boundaries and to avoid possible future problems:
These present witnesseth that whereas Hodges Councill of the lower parish of the Isle of Wight County and Lucy his wife by their deed bearing the date the 20th day of September 1675 did give unto Joseph Vick of the parish and County Aforesaid his heyers and assigns a parcel of land containing fifty acres more or less lying and being in the said county with dividend and sundry limitations and agreements therein Expressed and declared as by the said deed and at the hand sand seals of the said Hodges Councill and Lucy his wife and by their act now pledged in the Isle of Wight County Court the 9th day of March 1681/2 [the old boundaries are described] ... said branches not being then run or laid out by a compass but only guessed at and since upon being made thereof by the compass found erroneous and untrue and ever otherwise than in the said deed is expressed [the terms of the older covenant are to be adhered to and the new boundaries beginning at the foot of the branch on the south side of Joseph Vick's plantation are defined.](Isle of Wight Deed Book 2:45)

These two documents tell us several things:
(1) Hodges Council and Joseph Vick were neighbors since they shared a common property line;
(2) Hodges gave Joseph 50 acres of land that were to be inherited by Joseph's daughter;
(3) Joseph's daughter was named Lucy;
(4) Hodges Council's wife was named Lucy. The documents do not name Joseph's wife (although she clearly was alive when both documents were written), nor do they indicate any relationship other than friendship.

From the will of John Hardy, which was filed for probate on 9 June 1677 (Virginia Will Records [Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.,1993], 164-165), we learn that his daughter Lucy had married Hodges Councill and that they had three young children before the will was written in 167- (date not clear). For discussion purposes, let's say that Hardy's will was written in 1676, the latest year possible before it was filed for probate.

Let's also calculate that the three Councill children mentioned in the will were born about two years apart. That would suggest that Hodges Council and Lucy Hardy possibly married about 1670 and that no child born to them at the time the Hardy will was probated would have been old enough to marry Joseph Vick. Hodges Council's will dated 9 August 1699 supports the belief that he did not have a daughter married to Joseph Vick. The will names his children: son Hodges Council, grandson Hodges Council the younger, daughter Christian, wife of Edward Birand, daughter Lucy Council, son Robert Council, son Hardy, son John Council. Lucy Council was unmarried when her father died, but she did marry later.

Since it seems obvious that Joseph Vick and Hodges Council were roughly the same age, is it possible that Joseph Vick married a sister of Lucy (Hardy) Vick.
John Hardy's will names two married daughters: Olive, married to Giles Driver, and Lucy, married to Hodges Council.
Unmarried daughter Deborah is a possibility but not a probability.
Joseph probably was married by 1674, if not earlier, and it's likely, from internal evidence, that the Hardy will was written after that date.
After he restudied the deed of gift, Col. Arthur moved away from the idea that Joseph was married to a Council daughter and suggested that the Councils were possibly Lucy Vick's godparents.

2. Margery Russell
The source for this possible marriage is the VICK Family Newsletter.
In the October 1990 issue, John Beatty wrote, in an article on information on the VICK Family in England that he found in the Family History Library in Salt Lake City.
Among the records he found was one concerning a Joseph Vick, parentage unknown who married Margery Russell on 20 October 1662 in Kings Stanley in Gloucestershire.
John speculated that this might be "our" Joseph.
He also reported on a Joseph Vick who was buried at LEONARD Standley on 12 October 1712 and also speculated that that might be the Joseph Vick who married Margery Russell.
From those speculations, some VICK researchers opted to view the marriage to Margery Russell as proven and so reported it in their records and shared the information.
However, a letter from Majorie French of East Reading, Berkshire, England, who is a distant VICK descendant, reports that Margery VICK "wife of Joseph" died in Woodchester Parish in 1704 and is buried there and that her husband Joseph, died in 1712.

3. UNKNOWN -Current findings would seem to suggest that this is the best attribution we can give Joseph's wife.

4. Unknown Council Vick - possibly Alice Council. (Theory by Karen Brubaker) Unknown (perhaps Alice) Council Vick could very easily be the wife of Joseph Vick.
Alice Council, named as daughter of Hodges Council, was unmarried in 1674 when she received a gift. Then Joseph Vick is married in 1674 and his wife could have been a minor because in 1675 Joseph Vick receives land for his daughter from Hodges Council.
Unknown Council (Alice?) is not mentioned in Hodges Council's will of 1699 because she was probably deceased.

Joseph Vick's children were born between 1674 and 1696

Joseph Vick of Lower Parish, Isle of Wight County, Virginia and His Descendants

http://www.jvfoa.com/vick-book.php

References

• http://gw.geneanet.org/jmayfield?lang=en&pz=living&nz=x&ocz=27530&p...
• Reference: MyHeritage Family Trees - SmartCopy: May 3 2017, 1:07:40 UTC
• Reference: WikiTree Genealogy - SmartCopy: Jun 20 2022, 18:34:39 UTC
• The Joseph Vick Family of America (JVFOA) is a non-profit association dedicated to the genealogy of Joseph Vick, who was a planter, of Lower Parish, Isle of Wight County, Virginia. His exact place of birth is unknown; he was probably born about 1640 and immigrated to America in Virginia in the mid-to-late 1660s. He died in Isle of Wight County, Virginia, around 1700. The organization maintains a database of Joseph Vick descendants (www.jvfoa.org), sponsors annual conferences, and a blog site on Facebook (JVFOA). We are a Non-Profit Corporation with a 501(c)(7) US Internal Revenue filing code and incorporated in the State of North Carolina in the United States of America. < link >
• Joseph Vick of Lower Parish, Isle of Wight County, Virginia : and his descendants. Volume 1. < FamilySearch > (in copyright) (has section on Odom family)
• Beatty John D. 2023. The Vick Genealogy : The Study of a Southern American Family in White and Black. North Carolina: Joseph Vick Family of America.