Juliana de Pembrugge

Stirnet, behind paywall: https://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/pp/pembridge1.php -- they are using Visitations from Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, and Shropshire.

Not the same as Juliana de Vescy

Note: Ancestral Roots states Richard Vernon is of Harlaston, Staffordshire & Haddon.

WikiTree currently shows that Juliana de Vescy, granddaughter of Magna Carta Surety Baron Eustace de Vesci, was the wife of Richard de Vernon and the mother of his children.

This lineage is not recognized by Douglas Richardson, and there is no daughter Juliana listed in the Vesci section of the Medieval Lands project at http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#_To...

However, Frederick Lewis Weis's book Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, p. 68, states that Richard Vernon's wife was Juliana de Vesci. See https://books.google.com/books?id=XLqEWwa7fT8C&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=...

35. SIR RICHARD DE VERNON, d. 1376, of Haddon, co. Derby, and Harlaston, co. Stafford; m. JULIANA DE PEMBRUGGE (56A-34), b. ca. 1349, liv. 1409, dau. Robert de Pembrugge. (VCH Bucks. IV, 90; Farnham, Leics. Medieval Pedigrees, p. 7.).

The dates seem way off, but that's where the link goes now. NOTE: this refers to Juliana de Pembrugge

This book cites two sources: Complete Peerage, vol. 3, p. 45 (apparently a defective citation; I've been told that the Vernon family is mentioned on pages 4 and 5); and the Victoria County History of Buckinghamshire, vol. 4, p. 90 at http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/bucks/vol4/pp89-91 , which makes no mention of a Juliana Vesci.

Furthermore, it appears that Complete Peerage does NOT support this alleged Vesci/Vernon connection, per this gen-medieval forum post from 2001: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/j...

I couldn't find any reference in Vol 3 of the Complete Peerage in either the 1st or 2nd editions to the Vesci or Vescy families.

However in Vol 12, pt 2, there are articles about the Vesci or Vescy Barons, and as per the link to the gen-medieval forum the William de Vesci (Juliana's brother) is the last legitimate Lord Vesci, (his son John having died before him, without issue). His illegitimate son also called William, does become Lord Vesci but he also dies childless.

The next heir to the Vescy estates (this is on p. 285, note b) is Gilbert de Aton, a descendant of Margery de Vesci (on Wikitree she is listed as Margaret de Vesci http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Vesci-3 ) who (Gilbert) established his claim to the estates in 1316 and 1317.

If Juliana had existed then surely her issue would have been the closest heirs or would have at least contested the claim, but there is no mention of Juliana or the Vernons.