Lady Alice Hawise de Poynings

• Reference:
• This information about the de Reydon family was found in the Book “The life of Sir John de Wysham”
• Hawisa de Poynings married Sir John Reydon and his father is Robert Reydon.
• Hawisa de Poynings 1st married Sir John Reydon they had Robert Reydon and a Alice Reydon.
• Alice she 1st married Sir Andrew de Bures (Bruce) 2nd marriage was Sir John Sutton.
• Reference: Found in the Book: The Life Of Sir John de Wysham
• 1308 In the list of knights Sir John de Wysham follows Sir Michael de Poynings and Sir Thomas de Poynings, to which the family, he afterwards became allied by marriage:
• Sir John de Wysham 1st married Hawyisa de Clifton
• Reference: Deed 1 King Edward 1st
• Sir John de Wysham 2nd married Hawysia de Poynings
• Reference: Dear Newsgroup ~

Complete Peerage, 10 (1945(: 659 (sub Poynings) has a good account of the life history of Sir Michael Poynings, who reputedly is the Miles [sic] de Poynings who was killed at the Battle of Bannockburn 24 June 1314. According to C.P., Sir Michael de Poynings' wife was Margery (_____), which Margery has been identified in recent time here on the newsgroup as the probable daughter of Hugh Bardolf, Knt., 1st Lord Bardolf, by his wife, Isabel d'Aguillon. Among other pieces of evidence, John Ravilious has shown that Isabel, Lady Bardolf, conveyed the manor of Bures, Suffolk to Michael de Poynings and his wife, Margery, which is indicated by the following record found in the online A2A catalog:

Feoffment dated 8 Oct. 1309 by and between John son of Thomas de Bassingbourne and Sir Michael de Ponynges, Knt., and his wife, Margery, regarding the manor of Bures, Suffolk for £500 of silver sterling, which the grantor had by feoffment of Dame Isabel, formerly wife of Sir Hugh Bardolph, in Bures [Reference: Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: The Iveagh (Phillipps) Suffolk Manuscripts, Reference: HD 1538/157/1 (abstract of document available online at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp).

Elsewhere, Complete Peerage, 10 (1945): 669, footnote i, indicates that Michael de Poynings and his wife, Margery (probably Bardolf), had two sons, Thomas, Knt., and Michael, and one daughter, Margery. The daughter Margery is known through other sources to have married (1st) Edmund Bacon and (2nd) Nicholas de la Beche.

Recently, I located evidence of yet another Poynings daughter, namely Hawise de Poynings, who married (1st) by settlement date 17 June 1314 John de Reydon, son and heir of Robert de Reydon, Knt., and (2nd) before 1320 John de Wysham, Knt. (died 1332), Steward of the Household of King Edward III, Justice of North Wales. An abstract of Hawise de Poynings and John de Reydon's marriage settlement is provided below.

Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: The Iveagh (Phillipps) Suffolk Manuscripts, Reference: HD 1538/157/2

Marriage settlement

Dated 17 June 1314

Extent and Form: 2 armorial seals Language: Latin

Scope and Content

1. John de Reydon, son and heir of Sir Robert de Reydon, kt

2. Hawys, his wife, daughter of Sir Michael de Ponygges, kt

3. Sir Robert de Reydon, father of (1)

(1) has endowed and assigned in dower to (2), on day on which he betrothed her at door of chapel of St Mary of Smalebregg' in Bures St Mary in presence of Sir Robert de Bures, kt, James de Bures, Sir William rector of Reydon [probably Raydon], Walter de Westhale, Sir William de Castell Bernardi, chaplain, Richard de Garboclesham, chaplain, Ralph de Reydon, Walter de Reydon, Thomas de Reydon, John Peuerel, John Cissor of Wrentham, Henry de Neuton, clerk, William Wybert, John Denelm, chaplain, Nicholas Bonde and Thomas de Westhale, by consent of (3) and of prebendary, 1 messuage, 2 carucates land, 4a. meadow, 20a. pasture, 24s. worth of rent in Okenhill, Batingham [Badingham], Perham [Parham], Framelyngham [Framlingham] and Kettelberg' [Kettleburgh], for life of (2) if (1) die during lifetime of (3), for [i.e., in return for making no claim on] all other lands and tenements of (3). Also (3) grants that said endowment may remain valid to (2) for life. Given at Bures St. Mary, 17 Jun. 7 Edw.II. (Phillipps MS No. 33808) [Abstract of document available online at http://www.a2a.org.uk/ search/index.asp). END OF DOCUMENT.

Hawise de Poynings, and her 1st husband, John de Reydon, had one daughter, Alice, who married Andrew de Bures. The descendants of the Bures family are traced in part in a post in the newsgroup archives found at :

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/browse_f...

• Hawise de Poynings and her 2nd husband, Sir John de Wysham, had one son, John, Knt. Descendants of the Wysham family are traced in my book, Plantagenet Ancestry (2004): 785-786.
• Lastly, I might note that marriage settlement above for Hawise de Poynings proves she was not the daughter of John Botetourt, 1st Lord Botetourt, as I earlier thought was the case.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

• Burial Registration for Lady Hawise de Wysham
• Name: Lady Hawise de Wysham Cemetery: Greyfriars Medieval Friary Burial or Cremation Place: Dunwich, Suffolk Coastal District, Suffolk, England Has Bio?: Y URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-..
• Lady Hawise de Poynings de Wysham
• Memorial
• Birth: unknown
• Death: unknown

Married Sir John de Royden with a settlement dated Jun. 17, 1314.

Family links:

Children:

 Alice de Royden de Sutton (____ - 1392)*

• Calculated relationship
• Note: Her heart was buried at this institution.
• Burial:
• Greyfriars Medieval Friary
• Dunwich
• Suffolk Coastal District
• Suffolk, England
• Created by: Todd Whitesides
• Record added: Jan 20, 2014
• Find A Grave Memorial# 123816152
• Name: Lady Hawise de Wysham
• Maiden Name: de Poynings
• Cemetery: Greyfriars Medieval Friary
• Burial or Cremation Place: Dunwich, Suffolk Coastal District, Suffolk, England
• Has Bio?: Y
• URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...

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• MANORS King Athelstan granted land at CLIFTON to Worcester Monastery in 930. (fn. 45) According to Heming, Clifton and Ham with Eastham and Tenbury and all lands adjacent belonged to 'our church of Worcester' in the time of King Ethelred, but the depredations of the Danes 'in all this province' ended in the violent seizure of these lands by the marauders. Earl Hakon invaded and took possession of Clifton, and thus deprived the church of Worcester of its property there. To atone for this his wife Gunhild ordered a gold image of St. Mary to be made and presented to that church. (fn. 46)

At the date of the Domesday Survey Clifton was one of the many manors of Osbern Fitz Richard (Scrob or Scrope), and had formerly been held by King Edward. It was held under Osbern by Robert Doyly, a tenant in chief in several counties. (fn. 47)

The overlordship of Clifton followed the descent of Wychbold in Dodderhill (fn. 48) until the death of Hugh Mortimer in 1304. (fn. 49) It was then assigned to his daughter and co-heir Margaret wife of Geoffrey Cornwall, (fn. 50) and passed with a moiety of Ham Castle in the Cornwall family, (fn. 51) being mentioned for the last time in 1425. This overlordship probably lapsed when the tenancy of the manor came to the Crown on the accession of Edward IV.

Robert Doyly, the tenant under Osbern Fitz Richard in 1086, held no other land in Worcestershire. His Buckinghamshire estates became part of the honour of Wallingford, (fn. 52) but Clifton passed to a family taking their name from the estate. 'Robert de Clifton held the manor early in the 13th century,' (fn. 53) and his homage and service was granted with the manor of Ham in 1243 by William Stutevill to Hugh Mortimer, his stepson. (fn. 54) Robert or a namesake sold land and the advowson of Clifton in 1254–5 to Hugh Mortimer. (fn. 55) This Hugh was probably Hugh Mortimer of Chelmarsh, second son of Ralph Mortimer of Wigmore, and Clifton may have been among the estates which he gave to his elder brother Roger Mortimer of Wigmore, (fn. 56) for in 1270 the land belonged to Roger Mortimer of Chirk, son of Roger Mortimer of Wigmore, (fn. 57) and he claimed in 1284 that it had been given to him by his father. (fn. 58)

The manor evidently descended with Oddingley. (fn. 59) to Roger Mortimer, Earl of March, (fn. 60) but Roger Mortimer of Chirk had granted it probably before 1311, for life, 'to John de Wisham of Woodmanton in this parish, (fn. 61) at whose request a grant of free warren here was made to William Walshe of Shelsley Walsh in 1311. (fn. 62) John de Wisham himself obtained a grant of free warren there in 1328, (fn. 63) and the manor was confirmed to him and his wife Hawise by the king in 1331, (fn. 64) this confirmation being necessary on account of the attainder of the Earl of March in 1330. John died about 1332–3, (fn. 65) and his widow Hawise remained in possession of the manor until her death in 1359'. (fn. 66)

• Reference

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/worcs/vol4/pp246-255

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Reference: SP 46/183/fo6
Description:
Late 14th-century or early 15th-century page (?) from a cartulary with copies of various early 14th-century deeds relating to the manor of Bowthorpe, Norfolk, between Richard son of Thomas de Brumpton, Richard's son Thomas and Robert de Reydon, and of a quitclaim of 12 Edward III [1338-9] to 'Hawice de Wysham', and Andrew de Bures and his wife Alice: and of a grant of 29 Edward I [1300-1] by Richard de Brumpton to Robert de Reydon of lands in Badingham, Framlingham, Higham, Kettleburgh, Parham, and Uggeshall, Suffolk, and in Colne Engaine, Essex.

Date: [early 14th century]
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Former reference in The National Archives: SP 46/183/fo 6
Legal status: Public Record(s)
Closure status: Open Document, Open Description