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About Marie Armand
Marie Armand
D'origine inconnue detached as daughter of Charles St-Armand dit Arnauld
Biography
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Armand-12
Marie Armand aka Herman, Harmans, Harmens, Arnaud was born about 1638 in Rouen, Normandie, France, and died after 1678 in North America or France.
She immigrated to America as a “Filles à marier.”
Marriage: Around 1656, Guillaume David married Marie Armand. Jetté puts their marriage around 1656 in Trois-Rivières.[2]
Enfants connus / Known children: Marie Armand & Guillaume David
- + Jacques David, baptisé 23 octobre 1657 Trois-Rivières; marié @ 30 ans avec Catherine Lhuyssier 11 octobre 1690 Boucherville
- Anne David, née 29 nov. 1659 bapt. 30 Québec (ND); inhumée 21 décembre 1659 Québec (ND) @ 8 jours (sic)
- + Marguerite David, née 12 avril 1661 bapt. 13 Québec (ND); contrat de mariage avec Pierre Montarras 1674 (contrat Adhémar), semble annulé; religieuse Congrégation de Notre-Dame à Montréal (soeur Saint-Pierre) 1698 selon Jetté; *** ceci est incertain, voir Pierre Montarras, compagnie Froment du régiment Carignan-Salières
- Marie Anne David, née 15 décembre 1663 bapt. 16 Québec (ND); contrat de mariage avec Pierre Girardeau du 8 déc. 1674 devant Antoine Adhémar annulé 14 janvier 1675
- + Madeleine David, née & bapt. 15 février 1666 Québec (ND); mariée vers 1683 avec Jacques Lepage en Nouvelle Angleterre;[7]; remariée 8 novembre 1711 à Montréal (ND) avec Jean Poussard dit Bonapétit; inhumée 3 février 1715 Montréal (ND) @ ~ 50 ans
- Marie Angélique David, née 8 mars 1678 bapt. 1er mai Sorel[8][2]
Disputed origins
- Birth seen as August 10, 1638 St. Eloi Parish in Rouen, Normandy, France
- Seen as daughter of Charles St-Armand dit Arnauld
- Seen as daughter of Jean Armand & Marie Morie
- Seen as sister of Laurent Herman dit Armand
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/David-788
- it is possible that Guillaume arrived at the same time as his two brothers Claude and Jacques and that they were also accompanied by his brother-in-law Laurent Armand.
- There is no evidence that he was brother of Jacques, there is that he was Claude's brother. There is also no evidence that Marie Armand was related to Laurent Armand, Guillaume and Marie Armand are in Sillery and Québec per the various acts of concession and baptisms, in no instance is Laurent godfather of their children, nor is his wife godmother. Nothing links these families.
- There is no evidence that he was brother of Jacques, there is that he was Claude's brother. There is also no evidence that Marie Armand was related to Laurent Armand, Guillaume and Marie Armand are in Sillery and Québec per the various acts of concession and baptisms, in no instance is Laurent godfather of their children, nor is his wife godmother. Nothing links these families.
GEDCOM Note
Three Brides for Three Brothers The Davids of Quebec The three David brothers; Claude, Jacques and Guillaume; arrived in New France before 1650; and all were later married to Filles a Marier; the single girls sponsored by various companies, churches and seigneurs, to help increase the population of the small colony The brothers were from Rouen, Normandy, France; sons of Blaise Julien David and Flavie Morel. Young and energetic, they should have been very successful, except for one thing. They were Hugenots. Not feeling terribly welcomed, they decided to try their luck in New Amsterdam (now New York), which was run by the West India Company. Since the Dutch never tried to hide that fact that their interest in the 'New World' was purely financial; they supported religious freedom and open trade. However, they were also often aggressive toward the Native populations, so the political climate was hostile at best. Therefore, the boys decided to go back to Quebec, and were confirmed into the Catholic faith on August 10, 1659. Claude married Susan Denoyen and had two boys. He settled at Trois Rivieres. Jacques married Marie Grandry, had seven children and settled at Chateau Richer. Guillaume married Marie Armand, had six children and settled first at Trois Rivieres and then Sorel.
https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/212352/hypothesis-guillaume-david-mart...
Guillaume David and Marie Armand have an interesting history as shown by his several court appearances, and his numerous residences in New France (Quebec, Trois Rivière and Sorel) during the years 1657 to 1678 as well as their frequent trips to New Netherland (New York) via the Hudson Valley. However, after 1679 they appear to have fallen off the face of the world and their residences are only alluded to by the residence of their children in Kingston, Newton, Philipsburg Manor, and Tarrytown. The last encounter we can be certain of was in 1679 when Guillaume met Rene Poupart dit Lafleur on the shores of Lake Champlain described in a letter by Poupart (references for all the above can be obtained from the 2 articles published by the New York Genealogical and Biographical Record 1991 and 1992).
References
- https://afgs.org/site/les-filles-a-marier/ ARMAND, Marie m. Guillaume David
- https://obsessedwithmypast.wordpress.com/liens-links/listelist/mari...
- https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Armand-12 Cites
- FamilySearch: Michel Le Pallieur dit Laferté, Actes, Boîtes 6-11 5 juin 1711 - 30 août 1714, Family History Library, United States & Canada 2nd Floor Film #1556980, Image Group Number (DGS) 8274271, pgs 189-191/2407 contrat de mariage Jean poussart - Madeleine David, original, voir pg 190
- Dictionnaire généalogique des familles du Québec des origines à 1730, René Jetté, avec la collaboration du PRDH, 1983, Presses de l'Université de Montréal, pg 312 (membership IGD)
- PDF imaged on profile / sur profil
- Marriage contract for Michel, image
- Registre des confirmations à Québec, 10 août 1659, image IGD
- Map of/Carte des seigneuries #8, 9, 9c
- Dictionnaire généalogique des familles du Québec des origines à 1730, René Jetté, avec la collaboration du PRDH, 1983, Presses de l'Université de Montréal, pg 715 (membership IGD)
- Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1997 - Drouin IGD
- BAnQ: Romain Becquet, Actes (6059 pages), 1665 - 9 février 1670 (1081 fichiers), pg 804/1081 sale by Guillaume and his wife to Denis Joseph Ruette d'Auteuil
- 31 octobre 1668 Cote : ZE25,P29 Collection Charles Chadenat collection of manuscripts on French Canada (MS Can 1) - Archives nationales à Québec Id 419130
- Aveu et dénombrement pour la seigneurie de Dautré (Dautray) par Anne Gasnier, veuve de Jean Bourdon, procureur général au conseil souverain de ce pays, et tutrice de son fils Jean Bourdon, et de Jean Lesueur, curé de Saint-Sauveur (03Q,ZE25,P29) pg 3
- Posted to FamilySearch profile for Marie Harmans (LZ69-8GP) by Wayne J Dome on 31 Oct 2021. The volume exists and is available on-line but is on a pay site. “According to a 6 June 1678 letter from the English Deputy Governor Anthony Brockholles in New York to Governor Frontenac of New France, Guillaume David and his son-in-law Pierre Montross were then in New York visiting "their wives' relatives," surely Dutch relatives of Marie's. (See NYGBS "Record" Volume 122, Issue 4 (October 1991), page 195.)]”
- Francogène, Guillaume David
- BAnQ Notarial acts index Inventaire des greffes des notaires du régime français, par Pierre Georges Roy et Antoine Roy; 27 Vol + index 1-8
- requête 1657 Cote : TL3,S11,P91 Fonds Juridiction royale des Trois-Rivières - BAnQ Trois-Rivières Id 433778
- requête 1658 Cote : TL3,S11,P94 Fonds Juridiction royale des Trois-Rivières - BAnQ Trois-Rivières Id 433781
- concession 1663 Cote: E21,S64,SS5,SSS7,D110 Fonds Ministère des Terres et Forêts - BAnQ Québec Id 262606
- témoin 1663 Cote : TP1,S28,P1405 Fonds Conseil souverain - BAnQ Québec Id 401494
- arrêt 1664 Cote : TP1,S28,P1501 Fonds Conseil souverain - BAnQ Québec Id 401590
- dénombrement 1668 Cote : ZE25,P29 Collection Charles Chadenat collection of manuscripts on French Canada (MS Can 1) - BAnQ Québec Id 419130
- Aveu et dénombrement pour la seigneurie de Dautré (Dautray) par Anne Gasnier, veuve de Jean Bourdon, procureur général au conseil souverain de ce pays, et tutrice de son fils Jean Bourdon, et de Jean Lesueur, curé de Saint-Sauveur (03Q,ZE25,P29) document original dénombrement pg 3
- Actes d'état civil et registres d'église du Québec (Collection Drouin), 1621 à 1997 - Gabriel Drouin, comp. Drouin Collection: Institut Généalogique Drouin IGD (membership) https://www.genealogiequebec.com
- BAnQ: Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec/Québec National Library and Archives http://www.banq.qc.ca/accueil/
- Tanguay vol. 1, p. 160 - DAVID, Guillaume - ARMAND, Marie.
- Généalogie Québec site de François Marchi
- tree Nos origines
- Ancestry Family Tree http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=79840426&pid...
- Jetté, René : Dictionnaire généalogique des familles du Québec, des origines à 1730, Presses de l'Université de Montréal, 1983 ;
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Marie Armand's Timeline
| 1638 |
1638
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Paris or, Normandie, France
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| 1657 |
October 23, 1657
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Trois-Rivières, Quebec, Canada
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November 29, 1659
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Quebec, Canada
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April 12, 1661
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Quebec, Canada
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| 1663 |
December 15, 1663
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Trois-Rivières, Quebec, Canada
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| 1666 |
1666
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Sorel, Le Bas-Richelieu, Québec, Canada
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1670
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Quebec, Quebec, Canada
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1672
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1672
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Laval, Quebec, Canada
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