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Martin Peterse Schenck van Nydeck

Also Known As: "Maarten Schenk van Nydeggen;"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Doesburg, Gelderland, The Netherlands
Death: circa 1650 (61-70)
Atlantic Ocean
Place of Burial: in the Atlantic Ocean
Immediate Family:

Son of Peter Dedericksz Schenck van Nydeck and Johanna van Scharpenseel
Husband of Maria Margaretha Schenck
Father of Roelof Martense Schenck; Jan Martense Schenck; Annetje Margaretta Martense Schenck and Theodorus Diederick Schenck
Brother of Wilhelmina Schenck van Nydeck

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About Martin Peterse Schenck van Nydeck

  • fabpedigree.... ; rootsweb... ;
  • photo came with the Henrick Ferber translated to English Drs. Marijke T. Neugerer, History of the family of Schenck von nydeggen 1225-1860 noted that it was an original painted on wood at Blyenbeck castle.
  • Marten Peterse Schenck van Nydeck VIII208,210,211,288 was born on 7 Aug 1584 in Doesburg, Gelderland, Netherlands. (It was Holland at the time.)
  • He immigrated in Mar 1650 from Doesburg, Gelderland, Netherlands He came to America with his three children on the ship De Valckener, William Thomasson, Captain, which sailed from Holland in March arriving in New Amsterdam, New York City, New York County, New York, USA America, June 28, 1650.
  • He was also known as Martin Peterse Schenck van Nydeck. The Van Nydeck is Dutch and Von Nydeggen is German. The castle they came from is now in Germany though in the late 1500's it was in Holland.
  • He died in 1650 at sea during the voyage to America from all sources. There has never been any documented proof otherwise, in Muiden, North Holland, Netherlands.

General Peter SCHENCK van NYDECK was a son of the last named Derick, Lord of Merden, etc. He was born at Gosh in 1547, married at Doesburgh, May 17th, 1580, to Johanna van SCHENPENZEEL.

To them was born a son at Doesburgh on August 7th, 1584, whom they named Martin SCHENCK van NYDECK.

He was the father of Jan Martinse SCHENCK, probably born at Amersfoort Holland, and married at Amersfort (Flatlands), Long Island, in 1672 or 1678 to Jannetjie STEPHENS VAN VOORHEIS. He

emigrated with other members of his family to America in. June, 1650,

and was the father of Martin JANSE SCHENCK, of Flatlands, born in 1675, married on December 2nd, 1708, to Cornelia Van WESSELEN or Van WESELL, widow of Domine LUPARDIUS. Inherited by his father's will the "Old land with the small island and mill."

http://bklyn-genealogy-info.stevemorse.org/Town/Homesteads/Schenck.html

Schenck Genealogy (1911) Benj. R. Schenck?

  • Husband Martin Schenck
  • Born: 1584 - Doesburg, Netherlands
  • Marr:
  • Died: 1650 - boat at sea to America
  • Father: Peter Schenck
  • Mother: Johanna
  • Other Spouses:
  • Wife [-?-]
  • Children
  • Roelof Martense Schenck Born: 1619 - Amersfoort, Utrecht, Netherlands Died: 1705 - New Amersfort (Flatlands), Long Island

QUESTION Of VAILDITY of LINE BACKWARDS

regarding the validity of the connection between the American Schenck's and the Dutch Van Nydeck family.

- that "ancestry" is also found in some other places but it is, > > to say it in the kindest fashion, inaccurate. See NYGBR 68:114; 71:70. TAG 45:179 by George E. McCracken.

Rev. William Schenck, His Ancestry and Descendants, compiled by A.D. Schenck, Rufus H. Darby Publisher, 1883. pg.33. is another published "Schenck genealogy" which, following the earlier fraudulent record, accepted by Rev. Schenck, includes the elaborate ancestry of Dutch nobility with Martin Schenck Van Nydeck as purported father of  Roelof Martense Schenck, and thence to Peter Schenck Van Nydeck and Johanna Van Scherpenzeel as grandparents, etc. This line is  totally discredited.
T.G.Bergen, in Early Settlers of Kings County, (which has many errors of its own) questioned the accuracy of ancestry of Roelof  Martense Schenck as a son of Marten Schenck of Nydack, and grandson of  Peter Schenck of Nydack, and in that case Bergen was correct. See footnote, page 250.
In 1987, Donald Schenck, (now deceased) who lived in Plainfield,  N.J., published at his own expense (Gateway Press) a reprint of "History of the family of Schenk Von Nydeggen 1225-1860)" "compiled  according to archives and other authentic sources by Heinrich Ferber".  The original manuscript of that volume makes no attempt to tie in the  family of Roelof Martense Schenck, immigrant, to the Von Nydeggen family, and that work itself covers only the Von Nydeggen family. It  was Col. van der Dussen who fraudulently and without any documentation

connected the two families.


I'm well aware of the issue about the work of Col. van der Dussen. I understamd, however, that the Schenck Family Historical Society has "lots" of other information outside of the Col's work to make the connection stand up, and that in this case the Col. was well meaning and ethical, just remiss in doing the documentation to prove his case. (of course, proving the case was the whole point, but the Col. is not the issue here.)

"In December of 1995 I [Mary Slawson ] became the legal owner of the Donald Schenck Collection of Family History collected on the Schenck and related family lines, as described below. Donald Schenck was the Schenck Family Historian officially recognized by the Hague. He personally made great financial contributions to the furthering of the Schenck research. He paid for the translation of the book Die Geschichte der Familie Schenck von Nideggen by Heinrich Ferber, published in Cologne Germany in 1860, from Dutch to English. There are a limited number of these volumes available for private purchase ....

He also obtained what is commonly known as the Reverend Garret Schenck collection. This collection contains some hand copied bible plates recording births, deaths and marriages; as well as entries where individuals were

recorded as Schenck Van Nydeck. The Van Nydeck coat of arms was used in the Roelof Schenck line which we can document until 1963 when the last preserved  coat of arms was destroyed accidentally while a house was being remodeled. 
The Van Nydeck (Dutch), Von Nydeggen (German) connection you describe is  currently being documented on several fronts. The Schenck Family History  Association has hired an accredited Historical Researcher at the Hague to  obtain documents to verify the connection. The possible death place of  researched for any existing documents. Also there are five historians who  compiled Schenck Family History linking the line to the Van Nydecks during the  1800's which did so either earlier or independently of Col. van der Dusssen's  work. All of these researchers were personally known to the Reverend Garret  Schenck. After World War I and II is was noted that many of the sources all  of these researchers used had been destroyed. Donald Schenck before his  passing asked me to make this fact known as he too was aware of the New York  Historical Society's work. It was the position of the Reverend Garret  Schenck and of Donald Schenck that Col. van der Dussen's work was not  conducted in an unethical manner but rather that he failed to make copies of  or properly cite documents he used and it is a current researcher's challenge  to find any documents which might remain to document the line. To this end he  dedicated nearly 55 years of his life. 
The year prior to his demise, we spent computerizing the most difficult  documents to decipher as he knew he had terminal cancer. (This portion is  currently being proof read.) His wishes are being carried out to the letter. 

The entire collection is being computerized by the Schenck Family History Historical Association, documents which are in brittle or other wise deteriorating condition, are being electronically scanned at the highest resolution technology now allows, and the original is being preserved professionally. Donald's entire collection will be made available free of charge to the libraries, historical societies, and museums he indicated, or to individuals who provide either an Internet address, or self addressed envelopes and 3-1/2 diskettes. Genealogical research will be done free of charge for any materials which have already been computerized, only limited research will be done for the remaining portion of the collection as almost none of the collection is indexed nor sorted by geographic location. Scanned documents can be linked to individuals in a program called Family Origins. After reviewing all of the leading Family History software is was determined that this package was the most likely to continue the development of multi-media technology and integrate it with the family research data. There are drawbacks in all packages as their viewer does not currently make use of the resolution that these documents and photographs are being scanned at. The determination was made that it was better to preserve the documents at better than Kodak quality so as the technology to view such files develops in the Family History Software the scanned documents can be better utilized by researchers."

 

EECORD:

1. Henrick Ferber translated to English Drs. Marijke T. Neugerer, History of the family of Schenck von nydeggen 1225-1860 in particular of the Warlord Martin Schenk von Nydeggen (Reprint, 1987 Gateway Press Inc., Orginally 1860, Cologne & Neuss). "

  • He is thought by Col. van der Dussen Netherlands army to have come to the Nieu Netherlands with his children, three of whom come over in 1650, arriving at Nieu Amsterdam probably on the ship "de valckener" Wilheim Tomassen, Captain; which sailed from Holland sometime in March, arriving June 28.

  • No record of him has yet been found in this country but like many other will authenicated cases he may have immigrated with his children, and being then well advanced in years may have died soon after his arrival; maybe futher reserach will settle this question."

2. Edward Coolbaugh Hoagland, Twigs From Family Trees or 162 Early American and Foriegn Lineages, pg. 108. "

  • He is thought by Col. van der Dussen Netherlands Army to have come to the Nieu Netherlands with his chldren, three of whom come over in 1650, arriving at Nieu Amsterdam probably on the ship "de valckener" Wilhellm Tomasse, Captain; which sailed from Holland sometime in March, arriving June 28 of Nydock or Nydeggen.
  • No record of him has yet been found in this country, but like many other will authenicated cases he may have eimigrated with his children and being then well advanced in years may have died soon after his arrival. Maybe further research will settle this question."

3. Henry B. Hoff, Genealogies of Long Island Families From the N.Y. Genealogical and Biographical Record (1987 Genealogical Publishing Company Baltimore, Md.), Vol. 2 pg 44-8. "

  • Schenck - -..1872 Col. Van der Dussen prepared for the Schenck family, that is those descending from Roelof and Jan Martense Schenck a magnificient manuscript genealogy which on Nov. 25, 1934 was Miss Emily Schenck then living at Cream Ridge, N.J...copied, illustrated, embellished and translated from an at present very rare volume entitled "Die Geschichte der Families Schenck von Nideggen" published in 1860 and compiled by Henrich Ferber...
  • In the printed genealogy we find mentioned a Martin Schenck born Aug. 7, 1584. He was the son of Jonker Pieter Schenck von Nydeggan Lord of Afferden a brother to the famous general Martin Schenck belonging to the distinguished descendants of an illegitimate son of old noble family of Schenck von Blyenbeeck..."

4. Albert Winslow Reyerson, edited Alfred L. Holman, Reyerson Genealogy, The (1916), pg. 265-8. "

  • ...The name of Schenck is of considerable antiquity was indentified with the nobility in the early history of Holland. Like many of the dutch names stood more an arbitrary appeleation. Translated into English it signified 'Cup brearer' and the influence is, according to dutch custom that this family name was founded by a cup breared to the ruler..."

MEMORIAL CYCLOPEDIA OF NEW JERSEY UNDER THE EDITORIAL SUPERVISION OF MARY DEPUE OGDEN

VOLUME III, 1917, MEMORIAL HISTORY COMPANY NEWARK,  NEW JERSEY 
   (VIII) Martin Schenck, only son of Peter and Johanna Schenck van Nydeck, was   born August 7, 1584, at Doesburg, and started for America with three of his
 children, dying on the voyage. The constant wars in the Netherlands had made the  position of the family uncomfortable, and its members came to the New World to  improve their prospects. They are supposed to have arrived in the ship "de  Valckener," in June, 1650. The elder son, Roelof, settled in Flatlands, Long  Island, as did also the junior son, Jan. The daughter, Anetje, married Adrian  Reyersz, of Flatlands.

Martin Schenck as a lieutenant bailiff, or judge of the Wick or Province of Kessel. Memoir of Johannes Schenk : the progenitor of the Bushwick, L.I., family of Schenck Flatbush, L.I. http://0-persi.heritagequestonline.com.alpha1.suffolk.lib.ny.us/hqoweb/library/do/books/results/image?urn=urn:proquest:US;glhbooks;Genealogy-glh13299722;12;-1;

Note: To continue ancestry line need to find source - Schenck Genealogy, by Van Der Dussen

Description of Van Der Dussen's work taken from the editorial column of the Christian Intelligencer for Dec. 5, 1872: "We have been shown by the Rev. G. C. Schenck a large folio volume, handsomely and strongly bound in red morocco, and with clasps, recently received by him from Holland. In it, and an appendix accompanying it, the history of the Schenck family in the country and in the Netherlands, that branch of it known as the Van Nydeck and Van Tautenberg is traced back to the year 878. The author of it is a Col. Vander Dussen, who is an officer in the Netherlands army, and alo principal editor of a genealogical periodical published at the Hague. The contents have been gathered after much research and from the most authentic sources. It is embellished with coats of arms and colored escutcheons of allied families, and also with drawings of selas used by some of the family as early as 1271. It contains a likeness of the author and also of Gen. Martin Schenck, from whose brother Peter the larger number of the name in this contry is descended. It has also pictures of three or four of the old castles in which the family resided in feudal times. Mr. Schenck proposes leaving the volume for a few weeks at the Genealogical Registry office, No. 67 university place, New York, for the inspection of those who may cherish an interest in it."

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Martin Peterse Schenck van Nydeck's Timeline

1584
August 7, 1584
Doesburg, Gelderland, The Netherlands
1619
June 20, 1619
Age 34
Amersfoort, Amersfoort, Utrecht, The Netherlands
1631
1631
Age 46
Amersfoort, Utrecht, Neth
1637
January 9, 1637
Age 52
Amersfoort, Utrecht, Nederland
1650
1650
Age 65
Atlantic Ocean
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Kessel, Limburg, The Netherlands
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in the Atlantic Ocean