Robert Charles Anderson wrote The Great Migration. His research is the most up-to-date. According to him, the surname and parentage of the SECOND wife of William Palmer are unknown.

She is traditionally known as Mary Trine, and arrived in the Plymouth Colony around 1630 as a maidservant to William Palmer's married daughter.

She married (1) William Palmer by 1637 when their son William was born. She married (2) Robert Paddock by October 20, 1646 and (3) Thomas Roberts on March 24, 1650/1, in Plymouth.

William and Mary Palmer had one child:

• William "the younger" Palmer was born on June 27, 1638, in Duxbury. He married Susanna _____ about 1662 and had at least three children. He died in Dartmouth in 1675.

it seems likely that the father of William the younger was William Jr (b 1612), and that his widowed father married Mary for respectability. See story below.

Robert and Mary (Trine, Palmer) Paddock had one child. Note: Mary, widow Palmer, was his THIRD wife named Mary.

• 7. Susanna Paddock - Born in 1649. Married to John Eddy in November 1665. She died at Taunton, Massachusetts on 14 March 1670.

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Pilgrim Village Families Sketch: William Palmer (the father)

Robert Charles Anderson

• Birth: William Palmer was born in England about 1581 (based on the estimated date of his first marriage).
• Death: He died in Duxbury in November 1637.
• Ship: Fortune, 1621

Life in England: Little is known of his life in England. He apparently married and had children there, two of whom remained.

Life in New England: William and his son,William, Jr., came to Plymouth on the Fortune. His wife came over in the summer of 1623 on the Anne or Little James. He was a freeman of Plymouth in 1633 and later moved to Duxbury. He was a nailer, and his inventory listed tools including a bellows and anvil.

Family: William married (1) Frances _____ by about 1606 in England, and had four children. He married (2) Mary _____ by 1637 and had one son. She married (2) Robert Paddock by October 20, 1646, and (3) Thomas Roberts on March 24, 1650/1, in Plymouth.

Children of William and Frances Palmer (order uncertain):

1. Henry was born about 1606. He was mentioned in his father’s 1637 will, but there is no further information.
2. Bridget was born about 1608. She was mentioned in her father’s 1637 will, but there is no further information.
3. A daughter, name unknown, was born about 1610. She married Henry Rowley by about 1630 and had two children. She died by 1633.
4. William was born about 1612. He married Elizabeth Hodgkins on March 27, 1634, in Plymouth and had one daughter. He died before August 25, 1636.

Child of William and Mary Palmer:

1. William was born on June 27, 1638, in Duxbury. He married Susanna _____ about 1662 and had at least three children. He died in Dartmouth in 1675.

Source: American Ancestors: Pilgriam Village Families: William Palmer

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Mary Holmes was born about 1613 in Louth Ireland.

She was the daughter or Peter Holmes and Elizabeth Ireland. Peter was born in Killany, Ireland.

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We think another Mary was Robert's second wife, Mary Trine. We think Zachariah Robert's son was not the son of Mary Trine but Mary Holmes.

There is apparently no conclusive proof that Robert is the son of John Paddock and Jane Jennings; however, both John and Robert were blacksmiths, and Robert's children shared names with those of John's family and descendents.

Died intestate, but a document in November 1650 has widow Mary confirming that son John, age 5, is to go to the guardianship of Capt. Thomas Willet.

After Robert's death, his children were listed in the Plymouth vital records along with his surrogate son (and eventual son-in-law) William Palmer. The mystery about this William Palmer is detailed in an article in the Colonial Genealgist which notes that there were apparently two Williams born to William Palmer, Sr. - one in 1634, the other posthumously in 1638, who claimed his inheritance at age 21 on 29 Apr 1659. Since if the 1634 William were the son of William, Jr. b. 1612, he would have been born only 3 months after the marriage, that seems an unlikely solution for a Puritan community. One possibility is that the father is indeed William, Jr (or I suppose, anyone), by servant Mary Trine (who joined the Palmer household after Sarah Palmer Rowley died). In order to protect his son, William Sr. married the young Mary and arranged with his friend Robert Paddock to care for the child. William's will mentions his young wife and a coming heir. The inventory also shows a debt to goodwife Paddock "for the child". The theory is that the earlier child was officially disowned, but William was providing for his care. To add yet another wrinkle to this story, Mary Trine Palmer then married Robert Paddock!

576. Curfman, Robert Joseph, Paddock Genealogy: Descendants of Robert Paddock of Plymouth, Ft. Collins, CO, 1977, (NEHGS

321. "The Circumstantial Evidendence Leading to a Possible Solution to the "Palmer-Paddock Puzzle"," The Colonial Genealogist, Vol XII, No. 1-2, The Augustan Society, 1984.

arrived on ship Fortune in 1623

Source: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Mary_Trine_(1)

We think another Mary was Robert's second wife, Mary Trine. We think Zachariah Robert's son was not the son of Mary Trine but Mary Holmes.

There is apparently no conclusive proof that Robert is the son of John Paddock and Jane Jennings; however, both John and Robert were blacksmiths, and Robert's children shared names with those of John's family and descendents.

Died intestate, but a document in November 1650 has widow Mary confirming that son John, age 5, is to go to the guardianship of Capt. Thomas Willet.

After Robert's death, his children were listed in the Plymouth vital records along with his surrogate son (and eventual son-in-law) William Palmer. The mystery about this William Palmer is detailed in an article in the Colonial Genealgist which notes that there were apparently two Williams born to William Palmer, Sr. - one in 1634, the other posthumously in 1638, who claimed his inheritance at age 21 on 29 Apr 1659. Since if the 1634 William were the son of William, Jr. b. 1612, he would have been born only 3 months after the marriage, that seems an unlikely solution for a Puritan community. One possibility is that the father is indeed William, Jr (or I suppose, anyone), by servant Mary Trine (who joined the Palmer household after Sarah Palmer Rowley died). In order to protect his son, William Sr. married the young Mary and arranged with his friend Robert Paddock to care for the child. William's will mentions his young wife and a coming heir. The inventory also shows a debt to goodwife Paddock "for the child". The theory is that the earlier child was officially disowned, but William was providing for his care. To add yet another wrinkle to this story, Mary Trine Palmer then married Robert Paddock!

576. Curfman, Robert Joseph, Paddock Genealogy: Descendants of Robert Paddock of Plymouth, Ft. Collins, CO, 1977, (NEHGS

321. "The Circumstantial Evidendence Leading to a Possible Solution to the "Palmer-Paddock Puzzle"," The Colonial Genealogist, Vol XII, No. 1-2, The Augustan Society, 1984.

Mary Trine married a William Palmer and had a son also named William Palmer:

The mystery about this William Palmer is detailed in an article in the Colonial Genealgist which notes that there were apparently two Williams born to William Palmer, Sr. - one in 1634, the other posthumously in 1638, who claimed his inheritance at age 21 on 29 Apr 1659. Since if the 1634 William were the son of William, Jr. b. 1612, he would have been born only 3 months after the marriage, that seems an unlikely solution for a Puritan community. One possibility is that the father is indeed William, Jr (or I suppose, anyone), by servant Mary Trine (who joined the Palmer household after Sarah Palmer Rowley died). In order to protect his son, William Sr. married the young Mary and arranged with his friend Robert Paddock to care for the child. William's will mentions his young wife and a coming heir. The inventory also shows a debt to goodwife Paddock "for the child". The theory is that the earlier child was officially disowned, but William was providing for his care. To add yet another wrinkle to this story, Mary Trine Palmer then married Robert Paddock!

576. Curfman, Robert Joseph, Paddock Genealogy: Descendants of Robert Paddock of Plymouth, Ft. Collins, CO, 1977, (NEHGS

321. "The Circumstantial Evidendence Leading to a Possible Solution to the "Palmer-Paddock Puzzle"," The Colonial Genealogist, Vol XII, No. 1-2, The Augustan Society, 1984.

William Sr. PALMER comes to Plymouth on the Fortune in 1621.

Son, William Jr. PALMER comes with William, Sr. to Plymouth on the Fortune in 1621.

+ Frances [Blossom-no?] Palmer (wife of William Sr.) comes on the Anne in 1623.

Daughter, Sarah PALMER [Blossom-no?] married Henry ROWLEY by 1630.

Sarah ROWLEY born in 1630......is age 7 when William Palmer, Sr. dies….cut, not in his will, but Moses is in will..…..maybe she is called Rebecca by the family.

Moses ROWLEY born in 1632………Stephen Partridge given ʄ5 to take him in after William Sr. dies.

Sarah PALMER Rowley and Henry ROWLEY come to Plymouth in 1632.

Sarah PALMER Rowley dies in Summer 1633.

Thomas BLOSSOM dies in July 1633…..leaving wife and three children, Elizabeth age 13, Thomas Blossom age 10, and Peter age 6.

Henry ROWLEY marries Anne ELSDON (b.1590 or before, widow of Thomas Blossom) on 10/17/1633………she would have been 43+……Henry was probably younger………maybe by 20 years……..maybe there is an older Henry Rowley????

William Jr. PALMER marries Elizabeth HODGKINS on 03/27/1634.

William Jr. PALMER. dies in Fall 1637……no children.

Elizabeth HODGKINS Palmer marries John WILLIS on 01/02/1638.

Frances Palmer dies in Summer 1637.

William Sr. PALMER marries Mary ?Trine in 1637.

William Sr. PALMER dies in November 1637.

William Sr. Palmer will leaves a third of estate to 3rd wife, a third to unborn William III Palmer and the rest to Rebecca (grandchild) and Moyses Rowley. Moses Rowley is supposed to be placed with Mr. Partridge……he is about age 5……..mother Sarah is dead. Father, Henry Rowley marries Anne Elsdon Blossom, who has three children. Rebecca [Sarah] must be a sister to Moses…….probably age 7……..must assume that Rebecca [Sarah] stays with her father, Henry Rowley or with Mary Trine, her step-grandmother.

William Sr. Palmer the elder of Duxbury, nailer, left a ʄ5 legacy to Stephen Tracey in his will of 12/4/1637 to have Mr. Partridge take care of Moses Rowley. Sarah Tracey, Stephen's daughter, b. Leiden in 1623 married George Partridge in November 1637….just as William Sr. Palmer is dieing.

William Sr. Palmer thinks that he still may have older children, Bridgett and Henry, who may be alive in England.

William Sr. Palmer says in will that "his wife should be ruled by her ancient Mr. Edward Winslow in her marriage if she look to partake in any part of this estate, otherwise not."…………..??????

William III PALMER is born in 1638.

Other records state that Goodwife Paddock, wife of Robert Paddock, took care of a William Palmer…………maybe Mary Trine lived with the Paddocks also.

Sarah ROWLEY marries Jonathan HATCH in 1646…..eight (8) years later.

Mary ? Trine Palmer marries Robert PADDOCK 10/20/1646…….William III Palmer aged 8.

Mary ? Trine Palmer Paddock marries Thomas ROBERTS 03/24/1650…..William III Palmer aged 12.

All I have on her is the following:

Mary Trine b: ABT. 1613 d: 1650 father: Zachariah Faunce mother: Miss Bradford spouse: Robert Paddock (~1605 - 1660) -m. ABT. 1633 in of Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts child: Alice Paddock (1640 - 1692)

Did she have any other children? What do you know about Robert Paddock? I have the following information on him:

Robert Paddock b: ABT. 1605 in England d: July 25, 1660 in Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts spouse: Mary Trine (~1613 - 1650) -m. ABT. 1633 in of Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts child: Alice Paddock (1640 - 1692)

Who were his previous wives?

What do you know of Miss Bradford? All I have on her is her spouse and child.

So many questions, isn't there? Does my information match yours? Thanks!

If Mary Trine was illigitiment then that would explane why her father bore a different sername??? Given what I know of her character (mostly speculative) it would fit. The story I have is that Mary Trine came to New England about 1630 as the nanny for Henry Rowley and his wife Sarah (Palmer). They had two children and she was expecting a third at the time. Sarah had enloped with Henry and thus incurred her fathers William Palmer Sr.) rath. However in the summer of 1632, a fever epidemic hit Plymouth and about 20 colonists died; The Palmer family was particularly hard hit as Sarah (Palmer) Rowley and Frances Palmer (William Palmer Sr.'s wife) were amoung its victims. Shortly after this Mary Trine moved into William Palmer Sr.'s home and the scandal begins. "On 23 July 1633 a man servant of William Palmer, Sr. named William Mendlone was whipped and discharged for misconduct with the maid servant of said Palmer." The early colonial records show two William Palmers born in Plymouth in 1634 and 1638 to William Palmer Sr. Add to this the fact that a number of William Palmers emigrated to New England and you have a lot of confusion around individals of that name. One suggested explanation is that the first William Palmer born in 1634 was in fact the illigitiment child of William Palmer Jr. (Sr.'s son), who was engaged to Elizabeth Hodgkins, and Mary Trine. Now it must be remembered that the Pilgrims were a highly moral group and the punishment for such behaviour was public condemnation and whipping at the public post - - if caught. Thus when William Palmer Sr. became aware of the situation he stepped in to save the family name and threatened or pribed Willim Jr. into breaking off this relationship and marrying properly as planed. He also agreed to Marry Mary Trine but made arrangements with his neigbor Robert Paddock to take in the child when it was born. Thus it came to pass that William Palmer born 1634 to William Palmeer Sr. and Mary Trine Palmer went to live with Robert Paddock and his wife Mary to be raised along with the Paddock own children. When in about 1635 William Palmer Jr. died, William Palmer Sr. badly wanted an heir and Mary became pregnant again but William Sr. died before the child was born. When Mary Holmes Paddock died in 1643 Mary Trine Palmer moved in with Robert Paddock to help rear his children along with her own. About 1645 Robert Paddock and Mary Palmer Trien Married having one daughter Sussanna born in 1649. After Robert's death in 1650 Mary signed over guardianship of John Paddock, Robert's youngest to Capt. Thomas Willett. Mary Trine Palmer Paddock is probably the Mary Paddock colonial records show marrying Thomas Roberts in 1651 as Robert's daughter Mary was only 13 at the time. Clear as mud.

Let me make sure I understand this correctly, bear with me.

Alice Paddock was not Robert Paddock's biological daughter, but William Jr.'s child.

Sussanna Paddock is Robert Paddock's biological daughter with Mary Trine.

Alice and Sussanna were the only children Mary Trine had, correct?

If it wouldn't be too much trouble, can you explain how John Paddock fits this picture? And did she have any children with Thomas Roberts?

Thanks!

No!! The story is complicated but again I'll try to make it as simple as possible.

Mary Trine Married Three Times.

First to William Palmer Sr. in late 1633 or earlie 1634. On 27 June 1634 Mary had a son named William Palmer. To the Plymouth citizens this child was presented as that of William Palmer Sr. and Mary but very possibly the real father was William Palmer Jr. (born in 1613). William sent this child to Robert Paddock to be raised along with his own children. This also may well be the Robert Palmer who later married Robert Paddock daughter Elizabeth and became his son in law. In 1636 William Palmer Jr. (1613-1636) Mentioned above died. Mary again became pregnat in 1635 but William Palmer Sr. died in Dec 1635 befor the child was born in April 1636 this was Mary's second child and Was named William Palmer Jr. (2). In 1643 Mary Holms Paddock (Robert Paddock's wife died after the birth of her last child and Mary Trine Palmer moved in to help raise the Paddock children and her own.

Second husband: Between 1644 and 1646 Robert Paddock and Mary Trine Palmer wed and Mary had before Roberts death in 1650 a child Susanna.

Third husband: Early colonial records later show a Mary Paddock marrying Thomas Roberts 24 March 1651 and this must have been Mary Trine Palmer Paddock as Robert Paddock dauther Mary, was only 13 at the time.

GEDCOM Note

Biography

Carlton Palmer Jr (1988) suggests she was Mary Trine, but there is no proof. See Palmer-345|William(1) Palmer Sr's narrative for details. She married about 1637 probably in Plymouth, Palmer-345|William(1) Palmer Sr as his third wife; she was pregnant at the time he died. Heaccounted for this in his will. Mary married (2) abt 1645/6 (2) Robert Paddock (it does not appear they had any children; he died 25 Jul 1650; she married (3) 24 Mar 1650/1 Thomas Roberts.

Child born posthumously to William(1) Palmer Sr.:

1. William(2) Jr (2), b 27 Jun 1638 (Barclay claims a transcription error on the part of the Plymouth Colony record transcribers, who wrote 1634; this error is the source of misconceptions that this William was son of the first William Palmer Jr., but Barclay's article points out that impossibility.) He claimed his inheritance at age 21 on 29 Apr 1659. He was a cooper. He m abt 1662 Susanna ______, parents not found. That they had children, underage at the time of Palmer’s death is reflected in his inventory. He died in Dartmouth, MA 1675; inventory of his estate 30 Jun 1675; no will. No record of his widow, no birth records of their children, but Barclay makes the case for these children:## (eldest:) William(3) Palmer, b abt 1663; m abt 1685 Mary Richmond, dau of Edward of Little Compton; 12 children. In a 1683 deed, William(3) sells land that “did formerly belong to William Palmer, of said Darthmouth deceased.” Richmond Genealogy claims this William (married to Mary Richmond) was son of Henry Palmer, but gives no proof. ## John Palmer, also of Little Compton who married a sister of Mary Richmond.<ref>Entered by Jillaine Smith.</ref>

Notes

From https://familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/10685746 Mary came to Plymouth Colony as a young nanny for Sarah (Palmer) Rowley and her two children, in 1630; Rowley at this time being pregnant with her third child. Mary moved into the home of William Palmer, Sr., as a maid servant, when his wife Frances died. “On 23 July 1633 a manservant of William Palmer, Sr. named William Mendlone was whipped anddischarged for misconduct with the maid servant of said Palmer.” The mentioned maid servant is probably (Mary) Trine, and she appears to have been a flirt, and a pleasent girl to look at, being about 20 years old. Now enters into the picture a story of a closely guarded secret. During this time New England had a highly moral attitude, and premarital sex, although it did happen, was deeply frowned upon, which brought public punishment and censor. One day young William Palmer, Jr., about age20, and engaged to Elizabeth Hodgkins, found himself alone with a flirting maid servant, resulting in her getting pregnant. To protect his son’s future marriage and reputation, he offered to marry Mary Trine. William, Sr., appears to have confided in his neighbor, Robert Paddock, who was also a close friend. The plan purposed by Palmer for his young wife was that he would disown the coming child on moral grounds, but he would supply support moneyto have the child raised. Mary would inherit a good share of his estate. To son, William, Jr., went a grant of land as a future estate settlement along with a sizeable gift of cash. Soon after William, Jr., was married, Mary gave birth to a boy on 27 June 1634 (or 1638), named William Palmer, Jr. As far as the town folks were concerned, the child belonged to William, Sr., and his wife Mary. Unfortunately, two years later young William Palmer, Jr., died. Mary feigned being too sick to care for the child, and the boy was raised by the next-door neighbor, the Paddock’s, who were paid for the child’s upbringing. Old Palmer left a Will, and he died in November 1637, about age 62. Inthe Will there is mention of his second marriage: “. . . I have marryed a ‘yeong woman’ who is deare unto me, I desire that she have not less than one-third of my estate, and, if in case she be with child then that one other third be preserved and improved ---for that child as mine heir.” He also stipulated “wife should be ruled by her ‘auncent” (guardian), Edward Winslow.” In the inventory of his estate there is mention of “. . . goodwife Paddock, for the child, onepound, 5 shillings, 2 pence.” The amount being what was currently due to the Paddock’s. This amount wasn’t collected by Robert Paddock until nine years later when he was constable.<ref>Robert J. Curfman,The Paddock Genealogy. (Fort Collins, Colorado: 1977). Pp. 5-26. (FHL-USA/CAN 929.273 P131c.)</ref><ref>James Savage, Genealogical Dictionary of the First Settlers of New England. (FHL-USA/CAN 974 D2n.); Family records of Patricia Paddock Rowell, Penn Valley, California. March 1991.</ref>

Sources

<references />#James Savage, Genealogical Dictionary of the First Settlers of New England. (FHL-USA/CAN 974 D2n.); Family records of Patricia Paddock Rowell, Penn Valley, California. March 1991.#Robert J. Curfman, The Paddock Genealogy. (Fort Collins, Colorado: 1977). Pp. 5-26. (FHL-USA/CAN 929.273 P131c.)# Mrs John E. (Florence Harlow) Barclay, “Notes on the Palmer Familyof Plymouth,” in The American Genealogist 32 (1955) 39-45)# “Plymouth Colony Wills and Inventories,” Vol I, fol. 28, published in Mayflower Descendant, 2:147-152# Carlton A. Palmer Jr., The Ancient Family of Palmer of Plymouth Colony, self-published 1988. Digital version available at familysearch.org. Information includes a mix of sourced and non-sourced data. Many undocumented assertions.# Robert Charles Anderson, Great Migration Begins, Boston, MA: 1995, pp 1383-1386.

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