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About Nancy "Nannie" Guinn
Nancy was a Cherokee woman
Biography
Nancy "Nannie" Vann was born about 1774 near Spring Place, Georgia, the daughter of a white trader, Joseph Vann and a Cherokee mother named War-li.
She was the sister of James and Jennie Vann. James Vann was a patron of the Moravian missionaries and he and his family are frequently mentioned in their records.
In November 1805 Sister Anna Gambold wrote ... "Last week Nancy Vann was here ... At the present time, she is living with her mother only a few miles from here. I must say that I liked her very much. One notices something quite different in her from the others who come here just as with her mother and sister." [1]
Nancy Vann married at least 4 times ...
m: c1803 John Fawling
m: c1808 to George Harlan
m: c1814 Samuel Talley=Tally
m: by 1822 (unknown) Quinn=Guinn=Gwynn.
Nancy "Nannie" Vann first married about 1803 to John Fawling, (also a Cherokee) [2] [3] and they were the parents of a daughter named Ruth. [4]
John Falling and James Vann disliked each other intensely and in May 1805 John challenged James to a duel. They fought and John Falling was killed by a single bullet. [5]
Nancy married secondly about 1808 to George Harlan (grandson of Nan-ye-hi/Nancy Ward) and divorced in 1813. [6] They had no biological children together.
Nancy's brother James had appropriated property left to his mother and sisters by his father. After his death Nancy petitioned to reclaim the enslaved people left to her and they were returned to her by the executors of James' estate.
At court on 16 March 1809 [7] ...
"To George Paris & Richard Row, executors of the estate of James Vann, deceased. Whereas Joseph Vann, deceased, the father of said Nancy, did in his lifetime give to her a negro named Rona, but was kept by Nancy's brother, James Vann, said Nancy made an application to the executors of the said James Vann, and the negro named Rona and her increase named Caesar, Harey, Simon, Moses, Aggy, Hannah, Suckey, and Joshua were put into said Nancy Vann's possession, she now releases said Paris and Rowe [sic] from any further claims she may have.
(signature) Nancy Van [sic]
witnesses: Geo. Harlin, James Brown, James Blair.
Sworn to Oct. 17, 1818 by Col. James Blair.
Nancy married thirdly about about 1814 to her late brother's overseer, a white man named Samuel Talley (described by the Moravians as a wicked man). They were the parents of a son, Joseph Talley. [8]
For many years, Nancy, her sister and their mother had refused to convert to Christianity. But on 23 July 1820 Nancy was baptized as "Anna Dorothea" Tally at Oothcaloga by John Gambold. [9]
By 1822 Nancy had left her Talley=Tally husband and "ha[d] taken another husband and lived in drunkenness and other vices". [10]
In 1823 she was described as an outcast, but was apparently still attending services with the Moravians. [11]
She was last mentioned by the Moravians in 1827. Nancy's date of death is unknown.
Sources
1. ↑ "Records of the Moravians Among the Cherokees" edited by Crews & Starbuck & Cherokee Heritage Press of Tahlequah, OK; v3 p887.
2. ↑ "Moravians" edited by Crews and Starbuck; v3 p914
3. ↑ "Moravian Journals" on 20 Jan 1806 stated that the sister of James Vann had married John Falling
4. ↑ "History of the Cherokee Indians" by Emmet Starr & Oklahoma Yesterday Publications edition, of Tulsa, OK in 1979; p306
5. ↑ "Moravians" edited by Crews and Starbuck; v3 p924-926
6. ↑ "Cherokee Mixed-Bloods" by David K. Hampton & Arc Press of Cane Hill, Lincoln, Arkansas in 2005; p108-109
7. ↑ Franklin County, Georgia Court Records
8. ↑ "Moravians" by Crews and Starbuck; v4 p1882
9. ↑ "Moravians" edited by Crews and Starbuck; v5 p2355-2356
10. ↑ "Moravians" edited by Crews and Starbuck; v6 p2883
11. ↑ "Moravians" edited by Crews and Starbuck; v6 p3056
See also:
Dick Fox homepage
Source: The WikiTree Native American Project @ https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Vann-245
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NANNIE VANN (JOSEPH3, EDWARD2, JOHN1) (Source: Emmet Starr, E Starr, 305, 350.) was born Abt. 1774 in Spring Place, GA.
She married (1) _____ MAY. He was born Abt. 1786.
She married (2) GEORGE HARLAN (Source: Emmet Starr, Ghigau 1-1-8, A36.) Bef. 1804, son of ELLIS HARLAN and CATHERINE KINGFISHER. He was born Abt. 1779 in CNE [TN], and died 1848.
She married (3) JOHN FAWLING (Source: Emmet Starr, Grant 1-1-1-1, A4.) Bef. 1805, son of RIM FAWLING and MARY EMORY.He was born Abt. 1772, and died 1807.
She married (4) SAMUEL TALLY I (Source: Brainerd Journal, The, 463.) Abt. 1817.He was born Abt. 1770.
- Franklin Co, GA Court Records, March 16, 1809 - date of release;
"To George Paris & Richard Row, executors of the estate of James Vann dcsd.Whereas Joseph Vann, dcsd, the father of said Nancy, did in his lifetime give to her a negro named Rona, but was kept by Nancy's brother James Vann, said Nancy made an application to the executors of the said James Vann, and the negro named Rona and her increase named Caesar, Harey, Simon, Moses, Aggy, Hannah, Suckey, and Joshua were put into said Nancy Vann's possession, she now releases said Paris and Rowe [sic] from any further claims she may have.Signed Nancy Van [sic] Wit. Geo. Harlin, James Brown, James Blair.Sworn to, Oct. 17, 1818 by Col. James Blair.Emmet Starr lists Annie May as having died with no issue; however, a fellow researcher assures me that Annie May was the mother of at least one child, Elmira Harlan, with Miller applications as supportive documentation.I'm ordering the applicable application copies so that I can review them for corrections to my postings here.
- Baptism: July 23, 1820, at Oothcaloga as Anna Dorothea Tally by John Gambold
- Blood: 1/2 Cherokee
- Clan: Ani'-Ga'tâge'wi = Kituah or Wild Potato (Wa-Wli Vann)
- Moravian Journals: January 20, 1806, Sister of James Vann, married John Falling
More About GEORGE HARLAN:
- 1817-19 Reservations: June 01, 1818, #123, on Coosawattee River, Native, 4 in family
- Blood: 5/16 Cherokee
- Clan: Ani'-Wa'ya = Wolf Clan (Nanye'hi)
Notes for JOHN FAWLING:
- John Fawling was killed in a duel by James Vann, his wife's brother.
- Clan: Ani'-Gilâ'hi = Twisters, Braids, or Long Hair Clan (Mary Grant)
Child of NANNIE VANN and _____ MAY is:
i. JAMES5 MAY, b. Abt. 1815; d. Abt. 1854.
(Curator note: I think James Hicks is confused here, Nanny did not marry a May and have a child James May. George Harlan married a Mary Ann May before he married Nannie Vann, it’s more likely that James May was a son from that earlier marriage of George Harlan)
Child of NANNIE VANN and GEORGE HARLAN is:
44. ii. ELMIRA5 HARLAN, b. Abt. 1804, CNE [GA]; d. Abt. 1858.
Child of NANNIE VANN and JOHN FAWLING is:
45. iii. RUTH5 FAWLING, b. 1805.
Child of NANNIE VANN and SAMUEL TALLY is:
46. iv. JOSEPH5 TALLY, b. Abt. 1816.
Source: Hicks, James R. “Cherokee Lineages: Genealogy Report: Descendants of John Vann I” Genealogy.com, Sites.Rootsweb.com, 2023, https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/GENE1-0006.htm...
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- Reference: MyHeritage Family Trees - SmartCopy: Jun 11 2022, 16:14:09 UTC
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Nancy "Nannie" Guinn's Timeline
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1775
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Cherokee Nation (East), (probably) Spring Place, Georgia, Colonial America
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1805
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1808
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Cherokee Nation (East), GA, United States
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1816
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1827
Age 52
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Cherokee Nation (East), (possibly), Murray County, Georgia, United States
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