Ogmund Torbergsson Giske

Ogmund eller Agmund Torbergsson på Giske, av Arnungeætta

• Son of Torberg Arnesson, of Giske and Ragnhild Erlingsdotter, til Giske
• Birth: 1020 in Giske, Møre og Romsdal, Norway
• Death: 1050 (30) in Giske.Møre & Romsdal.Norway
• Place of Burial: Giske, Møre og Romsdal, Norway

Project MedLands Norway Nobility THORBERG Arnesson of Giske

• THORBERG Arnesson of Giske, son of ARNE & his wife. Snorre names "Thorberg, Fin and Arne" as the sons of Arne[41]. m RAGNHILD Erlingsdatter daughter of ERLING Skjalgsson & his wife Astrid Trygvesdatter. Snorre names "Aslak, Skialg, Sigurd, Lodin, Thorer and Ragnhild" as the children of Erling & his wife, specifying that Ragnhild married Thorberg Arnason[42].

Thorberg & his wife RAGNHILD Erlingsdatter had four children:

• 1. EYSTEIN Orre (-killed in battle 25 Sep 1066). Morkinskinna names “Eysteinn orri, son of Thorbergr and grandson of Árni”[43]. Morkinskinna records that “Eystein Orri” was killed in battle in England with Harald III King of Norway[44]. Betrothed ([early 1066]) to MARIA, daughter of HARALD III King of Norway & his wife Ielizaveta Jaroslavna (-25 Sep 1066). Morkinskinna records that King Harald had promised “his daughter Máría” to “Eystein Orri” when they returned after their invasion of England in 1066[45].
• 2. OGMUND Thorbergsson . His name is confirmed by Snorre naming his son "Skopte Ogmundson, a grandson of Thorberg"[46]. m ---. The name of Ogmund´s wife is not known. Ogmund & his wife had one child:

a) SKOPTI Ogmundsson of Giske (-Rome 1103). Snorre names "Skopte Ogmundson, a grandson of Thorberg", when recording that he "dwelt at Giske in Sunmore"[47]. Snorre records that Skopte Ogmundson travelled from Norway with his sons Ogmund, Fin and Thord, that Skopte died in Rome, and that his sons also died during the journey[48]. m GUDRUN, daughter of THORD Folason & his wife ---. Snorre names "Gudrun, a daughter of Thord Folason" as the wife of "Skopte Ogmundson"[49]. Skopti & his wife had four children:

i) OGMUND (-[1103]). Snorre names (in order) "Ogmund, Fin, Thord and Thora" as children of "Skopte Ogmundson" & his wife[50]. Snorre records that Skopte Ogmundson travelled from Norway with his sons Ogmund, Fin and Thord, that Skopte died in Rome, and that his sons also died during the journey[51].
ii) FINN (-[1103]). Snorre names (in order) "Ogmund, Fin, Thord and Thora" as children of "Skopte Ogmundson" & his wife[52]. Snorre records that Skopte Ogmundson travelled from Norway with his sons Ogmund, Fin and Thord, that Skopte died in Rome, and that his sons also died during the journey[53].
iii) TORD (-Sicily [1103]). Snorre names (in order) "Ogmund, Fin, Thord and Thora" as children of "Skopte Ogmundson" & his wife[54]. Snorre records that Skopte Ogmundson travelled from Norway with his sons Ogmund, Fin and Thord, that his sons all died during the journey, Tord dying last in Sicily[55].
iv) THORA Skoptisdatter. Snorre names (in order) "Ogmund, Fin, Thord and Thora" as children of "Skopte Ogmundson" & his wife, specifying that Thora married "Asolf Skulason"[56]. In an earlier Saga, Snorre names "Thora, a daughter of Skopte Ogmundson" as the wife of "Asolf of Reine"[57]. m ASULF Skulesson of Rein, son of SKULI Tostesson & his wife Gudrun Nefsteinsdatter.

• 3. THORA Thorbergsdotter ([1020/25-). Snorre names "Thora, daughter of Thorberg Arnason" as mother of King Harald's sons Magnus and Olav[58]. Morkinskinna records that King Harald had married “the daughter of Thorbergr Árnason…Thóra”[59]. Her birth date range is estimated on the assumption that her relationship with King Harald started around the time of his accession to the Norwegian throne, corroborated by the fact that her son King Magnus was old enough to have fathered a son before his death in 1069. Mistress: of HARALD III "Hardråde" King of Norway, son of SIGURD Syr King of Ringeringe & his wife Asta Gudbrandsdatter (1015-killed in battle Stamfordbridge 25 Sep 1066). Mistress: of ---. Her other relationship is proved by Snorre recording that her grandson "Hakon…was fostered by Thorer of Steig in Gudbrandsdal, who was a brother of King Magnus by the mother's side"[60], although no indication has so far been found of the identity of Thorer's father. It is assumed that this relationship predated her relationship with King Harald, as it is likely that Thorer would have been older than his half-brother King Magnus to have been chosen as foster-father for his nephew. [m (1066 or after) as his third wife, SVEND II King of Denmark, son of ULF Thrugilson & his wife Estrid [Margrete] Svendsdatter of Denmark ([1020]-Søderup [29] Apr 1074, bur Roskilde Cathedral). According to Brenner[61], Thora Thorbergsdotter is identified with Thora who was the wife ofKing Svend and mother of his son Magnus. Christiansen considers that this identification is farfetched, considering her age at the time of the supposed marriage[62]. There appears to be another chronological problem: the proposed consecration of Thora's son Magnus at Rome is best explained if he was King Svend's oldest son, which would place his birth (and therefore his parents' marriage) in the late 1030s.]
• 4. JORUNN Thorbergsdotter . Morkinskinna records the marriage of “Jórunn, the daughter of Thorbergr Árnason” and “Úlfr Óspaksson…the marshal”[63]. Snorre names "Jorun, Thorberg's daughter, a sister of Harald's wife Thora" as wife of "Ulf Uspakson…his marshal" and their children "Joan the Strong of Rasvol, and Brigida mother of Sauda-Ulf, who was father of Peter Byrdar-Svein, father of Ulf Fly and Sigrid. Joan the Strong's son was Erlend Himalde, father of Archbishop Eystein and his brothers"[64]. m ULF Ospaksson Stallare (-1066). Descendants in ES II 107.

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Ogmund died before his father, ie earlier than 1050. He was not a lender.
From Snorre Sturlasson: Magnus Berrføtt saga:
"4. Svein had a husband, son of Harald Flette, Danish of a relative. He was a very viking and a great warrior, as a devil, a family man in his country. He had been with King Hakon. When Håkon was dead, Steigar-Tore had no faith that he could come to a settlement and friendship with King Magnus, if he had power over the whole country, because of what he had done, and the opposition he had set against king Magnus. Then Tore and Svein and their friends gave advice, which afterwards got progress, they raised a flock with the help and the great crew Tore had. But because Tore was an old and heavy man, Svein took control of the herd and chieftain name. This plan was several chiefs on. The most important of them was Egil, son of Aslak from Folland (in Kvernes at Nordmøre). Egil was a lover, he was married to Ingebjørg, daughter of Ogmund Torbergsson and sister of Skofte from Giske. Skjalg was a rich and powerful man who also joined the pack. ... » Text: Tore Nygaard sources: Snorre Sturlasson: Magnus Berrføtt's saga, section 4, 11. C.M. Munthe: Norwegian badge marks, NST Volume I (1928), page 341. Mogens Bugge: Our ancestors, no. 873. Bent and Vidar Billing Hansen: The ancestors of the Rosenheim, page 17.

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Dead before 1050. Ogmund died before his father, ie earlier than 1050. He was not a lender. From Snorre Sturlasson: Magnus Berrføtt saga: "4. Svein had a husband, son of Harald Flette, Danish of a relative. He was a very viking and a great warrior, as a devil, a family man in his country. He had been with King Hakon. When Håkon was dead, Steigar-Tore had no faith that he could come to a settlement and friendship with King Magnus, if he had power over the whole country, because of what he had done, and the opposition he had set against king Magnus. Then Tore and Svein and their friends gave advice, which afterwards got progress, they raised a flock with the help and the great crew Tore had. But because Tore was an old and heavy man, Svein took control of the herd and chieftain name. This plan was several chiefs on. The most important of them was Egil, son of Aslak from Folland (in Kvernes at Nordmøre). Egil was a lover, he was married to Ingebjørg, daughter of Ogmund Torbergsson and sister of Skofte from Giske. Skjalg was a rich and powerful man who also joined the pack. ... »1

Sources

• 1. Snorre Sturlasson: Magnus Berrføtts saga, avsnitt 4, 11. C.M. Munthe: Norske slegtsmerker, NST Bind I (1928), side 341. Mogens Bugge: Våre forfedre, nr. 873. Bent og Vidar Billing Hansen: Rosensverdslektens forfedre, side 17.
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Ogmund eller Agmund Torbergsson på Giske, av Arnungeætta.

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Ogmund døde før sin far, dvs. tidligere enn 1050. Han var ikke lendermann.

Fra Snorre Sturlasson: Magnus Berrføtt saga:

«4. Svein het en mann, sønn til Harald Flette, dansk av ætt. Han var en veldig viking og en stor stridsmann, djerv som noen, en ættestor mann i sitt land. Han hadde vært med kong Håkon. Da Håkon var død, hadde Steigar-Tore ingen tro på at han kunne komme til forlik og vennskap med kong Magnus, om han fikk makt over hele landet, på grunn av det han hadde gjort, og den motstand han hadde satt i verk mot kong Magnus. Så la Tore og Svein og deres venner opp råd, som etterpå fikk framgang, de reiste en flokk med den hjelp og det store mannskapet Tore hadde. Men fordi Tore da var en gammel og tungfør mann, tok Svein styringen over flokken og høvdingnavn. Denne planen var flere høvdinger med på. Den gjeveste av dem var Egil, sønn til Aslak fra Folland (i Kvernes på Nordmøre). Egil var lendmann, han var gift med Ingebjørg, datter til Ogmund Torbergsson og søster til Skofte fra Giske. Skjalg het en rik og mektig mann, som også kom med i flokken. ...»

Tekst: Tore Nygaard

Kilder:

Snorre Sturlasson: Magnus Berrføtts saga, avsnitt 4, 11. C.M. Munthe: Norske slegtsmerker, NST Bind I (1928), side 341. Mogens Bugge: Våre forfedre, nr. 873. Bent og Vidar Billing Hansen: Rosensverdslektens forfedre, side 17.

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Død før 1050.

Ogmund døde før sin far, dvs. tidligere enn 1050. Han var ikke lendermann.

Fra Snorre Sturlasson: Magnus Berrføtt saga: «4. Svein het en mann, sønn til Harald Flette, dansk av ætt. Han var en veldig viking og en stor stridsmann, djerv som noen, en ættestor mann i sitt land. Han hadde vært med kong Håkon. Da Håkon var død, hadde Steigar-Tore ingen tro på at han kunne komme til forlik og vennskap med kong Magnus, om han fikk makt over hele landet, på grunn av det han hadde gjort, og den motstand han hadde satt i verk mot kong Magnus. Så la Tore og Svein og deres venner opp råd, som etterpå fikk framgang, de reiste en flokk med den hjelp og det store mannskapet Tore hadde. Men fordi Tore da var en gammel og tungfør mann, tok Svein styringen over flokken og høvdingnavn. Denne planen var flere høvdinger med på. Den gjeveste av dem var Egil, sønn til Aslak fra Folland (i Kvernes på Nordmøre). Egil var lendmann, han var gift med Ingebjørg, datter til Ogmund Torbergsson og søster til Skofte fra Giske. Skjalg het en rik og mektig mann, som også kom med i flokken. ...» 1

1. Snorre Sturlasson: Magnus Berrføtts saga, avsnitt 4, 11. C.M. Munthe: Norske slegtsmerker, NST Bind I (1928), side 341. Mogens Bugge: Våre forfedre, nr. 873. Bent og Vidar Billing Hansen: Rosensverdslektens forfedre, side 17.