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Payn fitzJohn, Sheriff of Hereford and Shropshire

Also Known As: "Paganus", "Pagan", "Payne", "Burgo"
Birthplace: Ewyas, Herefordshire, England
Death: July 10, 1137 (47-56)
Holkham, Norfolk, England, United Kingdom
Place of Burial: Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England, United Kingdom
Immediate Family:

Son of John fitzRichard of Saxlingham and wife of John fitzRichard of Saxlingham
Husband of Sybil Talbot
Father of Y Golwg ap Payne; Aaron fitz Payne; Cecily FitzMiles, Countess of Hereford; Agnes de Munchensy, Countess of Hereford and Payn FitzJohn of Ewyas
Brother of Eustace fitzJohn, Lord of Alnwick, Constable of Cheshire; William fitzJohn; Alice, abbess of Barking Abbey and Agnes fitzJohn

Occupation: Sheriff of Hereford and Shropshire
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About Payn fitzJohn, Sheriff of Hereford and Shropshire

Payn FitzJohn of Ewyas, Herefordshire, Sheriff of Hereford and Shropshire

  • Born: before 1100
  • Died: 10 Jul 1137
  • Father: John de Vesci
  • Mother: Unknown
  • Spouse: Sybil Talbot


  1. Cecily
  2. Agnes

PAYN FitzJohn of Ewyas, Herefordshire (before 1100-killed 10 Jul 1137, bur Gloucester Abbey). "…Pag fil Johis…" subscribed the charter dated to [10 Apr/29 May] 1121 which records the arrangements for the marriage of "Miloni de Gloec" and "Sibilia filia Beorndi de Novo Mercato". "…Pag fil Johis…" subscribed the charter date [3/10] Jun 1123 under which Henry I King of England granted the lands of "Edrici fil Chetelli" to "Walto de Gloec". A charter of King Henry I dated 1133 is witnessed by Payn FitzJohn, Eustache and William his brothers. Sheriff of Hereford and Shropshire. The Gesta Stephani Regis records that "Paganus filius Joannis…et Milo" were killed, dated to [1137/40]. m SIBYL Talbot, daughter of GEOFFREY Talbot & his wife Agnes [de Lacy]. King Stephen confirmed to "Rogo filio Milonis Gloec et Cecilie uxori sue filie Pag fil Johis" the lands of her father, including land which "Pag dedit Sibillle uxoris sue in dote", by charter dated to [Dec 1137/May 1138]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. Roger Bishop of Salisbury instructed "Sibille q fuit uxor Pag fil Johis" to restore property which her husband had granted to "Rogo fil Milon Gloec cum Cecilia filia tua p-mogenita" by charter dated 1138. Payn & his wife had two children, Cecily and Agnes.



BIOGRAPHY: PAYN FITZJOHN, probably 1st son and heir, was born before 1100. He was one of those minor barons who rose to importance and wealth as officers of Henry I, and from 1120 or earlier he constantly attests royal charters. In 1126 he became the King's vice-gerent in the palatine county of Shropshire. In 1130 he was acting as a Justice in cos. Stafford, Gloucester and Northants, usually in conjunction with Miles of Gloucester. He is said to have built Pain's Castle, co. Radnor; and in 1134 the Welsh burnt his castle of Caus, Salop, and slew all its inmates. At the death of Henry I he was vice-gerent of cos. Hereford and Salop; and he and Miles abovenamed, who ruled co. Gloucester, had extended their power over the Marches from the Severn to the sea. With other officers of the late King they would not go to court without a safe-conduct, fearing that they might be forced to disgorge the wealth which they had accumulated. Eventually they joined Stephen at Reading for the late King's funeral in January 1135/6. At Easter Payn was with Stephen at Westminster and he proceeded with the King to Oxford.

BIOGRAPHY: He married Sibyl, daughter of Geoffrey TALBOT, by Agnes, probably daughter of Walter DE LACY. Payn gave Sibyl as dower land from his own inheritance. He was killed when pursuing Welsh marauders by a javelin which pierced his head, and so died s.p.m. 10 July 1137 and was buried in the chapter-house of Gloucester Abbey. Sibyl survived him (j). [Complete Peerage XII/2:270-1, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

BIOGRAPHY: (j) Shortly after her husband's death the Bishop of Salisbury, as Chief Justiciar, ordered her to restore the property of her late husband removed by her since the confirmation of his possessions to their elder daughter, Cecily and her husband Roger, son of Miles de Gloucester, in particular the wheat, hay and wine. As Sybil de Lacy, for her soul and for the soul of her lord Pay FitzJohn, she confirmed a grant to her uncle, Walter de Lacy, Abbot of Gloucester.

See Darrell Wolcott, "Aeron Paen ap Y Paen Hen," for help in untangling these lines (May 26, 2016; Anne Brannen, curator).

Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Evolution of the "Padriarc Brenin" Pedigree; (Steven Ferry, October 3, 2019.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Aaron Paen ap Y Paen Hen; (Steven Ferry, July 5, 2020.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Pedigree of Madog ap Idnerth;; [#8]. (Steven Ferry, May 16, 2021.)

Please see Peter Bartrum: Padriarc 1; & Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs, Nat. Library of Wales Journal, vol XIII, #61: Randwlff of Ceri. However, also see Darrell Wolcott: The Evolution of the "Padriarc Brenin" Pedigree;, as mentioned above, in which Wolcott shows that the line from Padriarc down to Ioe is fictitious. (Steven Ferry, July 15, 2024.)


John fitzRichard is known to have had the following issue:

  1. Pain fitzJohn (died 1137)
  2. Eustace fitzJohn (died 1157)
  3. William fitzJohn
  4. Alice, abbess of Barking Abbey
  5. Agnes, married Roger de Valognes

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Payn fitzJohn, Sheriff of Hereford and Shropshire's Timeline

Ewyas, Herefordshire, England
Ewyas Harold, Herefordshire, England
Holkham, Norfolk, England
Ewyas, Herefordshire, England
July 10, 1137
Age 52
Holkham, Norfolk, England, United Kingdom
Gloucester Abbey, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England, United Kingdom