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Phebe Plasse (Manning)

Also Known As: "widow of James Waters"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Downe, Kent, England (United Kingdom)
Death: circa 1642 (60-78)
Salem, Essex County, Massachusetts Bay Colony
Place of Burial: Salem, Essex County , Massachusetts Bay, British Colonial America
Immediate Family:

Daughter of George Manning and Joan Manning
Wife of James Waters and William Plasse
Mother of Dorothy Waters; Martha Waters; John Waters; Phebe Waters; Richard Waters, of Salem and 4 others
Sister of Anne Lambert; Joane Welch; Catherine Manning; Humphrey Manning; Rose Manning and 7 others

Immigration Year: Before 1637
Notable Kin: William Howard Taft, 27th Pres.
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About Phebe Plasse

Phebe was the daughter of George Manning, gentleman, of Downe, County Kent, England, and his wife Johan Wallys. She was probably born about 1572 in Downe, Kent. Phoebe was mentioned in her father’s will in 1582, when she was left 30 pounds at marriage. The death of Phebe is not recorded in Salem, and it is not known where Phebe is buried.

First Marriage

From https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/124032790/james-waters

James Waters probably married Phebe Manning, daughter of George Manning and Johan (Wallys) Manning of Downe, Kent County, England soon after he became a freeman and was accepted into the Ironmonger guild. While there were several children, and I have:

  • John (ca Nov 1600-Jan 1601);
  • Phebe (ca Dec 1602-Dec 1603),
  • Richard,
  • Sarah (d. by 1603),and
  • Martha (d. by 1603),

only one son, Richard, survived. He was baptized 3 Mar 1604, Aldgate, London, England. On 26 April 1626, Richard was admitted into the freedom of the Ironmongers Company by patrimony and took his oath.

[Comment: also seen as children who died young: Dorothy bap 1595; Henry bap 1596.]

When James made his will on May 17, 1617, he named his wife and minor son Richard and called himself an ironmonger. He asked to be buried in the churchyard at St. Botolph's, near his children. The will was proved on February 16, 1618 In his will, he gave one-third of his estate to his wife Phebe; one-third to his son Richard, and the reminder to be split between the church (John Briggs curate), his partner (Samuel Rowlands), the poor, and some friends (Ambrose Jennings).

Second Marriage

Phebe married her second husband, William Plasse, February 18, 1618/19, after losing her first husband, James Waters.

From https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/146220129/william-plasse

William Plasse was a gunsmith. His wife Margery Smith died before 1619, possibly on August 4, 1618 in London, because William married Phebe, the widow of James Waters, in February of 1619. About 1629, Rejoice and her step-brother, Richard Waters, were married in London, and their first child was baptised at St. Botolph’s in London in 1630.

Richard, William, and their families moved to New England and settled in Salem, Massachusetts sometime about 1637, when William Plasse was also granted a house and half acre of land in Salem at that time. William died in 1646 and his gunsmith's tools were found to be in the possession of Richard Waters, who described himself as Plasse's son-in-law, which in those days could also mean step-son. It is not known where William is buried.

Comments

Phebe Manning was not the mother of Lawrence Waters; she was not the mother of Elizabeth Lawrence


References

  • Water, Henry. Genealogical Gleanings in England: Manning Family in: The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 51, NEHGR, Boston, Massachusetts, 1897 Page 1340 GoogleBooks
  • http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~hwbradley/genealogy/aqwg129.htm#1974 cites
  • 1Strong, Jeanne Waters, One Waters Family: Some Descendants of James Waters of St. Botolph Aldgate, London (Los Altos Hills, California: J.W. Strong, 1980.), p. 6, Los Angeles Public Library, 929.2 W331-2.
  • 2Waters, Henry Fitz-Gilbert, Genealogical Gleanings in England (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1969.), 2:1321, Los Angeles Public Library, 929.242 W329 1969.
  • 3Fiske, William Wyman, "The London Origin of Richard Waters of Salem, Massachusetts," The American Genealogist 81:3 (Jul 2006), p. 175, Los Angeles Public Library

more research needed

Other Mannings seem to have been in contemporary Ipswich: Perhaps they are Phebe's relatives as Salem is nearby...

"The proof was in the Kettle Gordon Harris / November 24, 2014

Mark Quilter made his living as a cow-keeper in the common land on the north side of town and seemed to always be in trouble. He was called before the court in 1647 and reprimanded for “sleeping in the barn” rather than watching the cows during his evening shift. He had a reputation in Ipswich for drinking and losing his temper and was always the butt of jokes and pranks. One day young swineherds John and Thomas Manning couldn’t resist the opportunity to carry a young calf up the roof and drop it down the wooden clay-lined chimney of Quilter’s little house, whereupon the animal leaped out the fireplace wreaking havoc until the poor man was able to open the door. The Manning boys were brought to court for disturbing the peace."
from Stories from Ipswich dot org

This story is somewhat different from the version told here in The Genealogical and Biographical History of the Manning Families of New England and Descendants, from the Settlement in America to Present Time: I. The William Manning Family, of Cambridge, Mass. II. The Richard and Anstice Manning Family, of Salem-Ipswich, Mass. III. Miscellaneous Families by William Henry Manning Salem Press Company, 1902 - 8571


GEDCOM Notes

James was her first husband

!Personal Ancestral File and the Boston Evening Transcript; Waters "Notes on the Manning Family of County Kent, England" at Newberry Library; see also Harelian MSS 1548, p. 29, as cited in Waters; received a legacy of £5 from her brother, William, in his 1608-probated will

She and her second husband, William Plasse came to Salem, MA,USA Ref: "Ancestral Gleanings in England," by Waters - 1850 pp. 1323-1328

William/Plasse 8 Feb 1618-19

My 10th grand mother. Mothers side

[David Dickson2-22-04.FBK]

Ancestral File Number:<AFN> 9GMJ-GT

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.

Phebe Manning & her husband were ancestors of President John Calvin Cooledge

!Pa "Reg St. Mary Cray Kent Eng in Visit of Kent Eng. 1619 by John Philipott Page 85 & Par Reg Downe, Kent, England Page 84

! ! BIRTH: 974.4 D2p pg 481 Pioneers of Mass by Pope ! MARRIAGE: 974.4 D2p pg 481 Pioneers of Mass by Pope (2 husbands) ! RELATIONSHIP: Patron, H. Reed Black, is 9th G G Son.

!Md (2) WILLIAM PLASSE 18 FEB 1618/19 SALEM

LDS microfilms 1553599, Batch F508926, sheet 17; 0374408, 0374409, batch CO04962, printout 0472841; 1553834, batch 5026439, sheet 41; 1760746; 1761095; 1761076; 0170874, p 63, Ord. 2025; 1760802; 1553599, batch F508926, sheet 17; 1761118.

!Married second William Plasse (d Apr 15, 1646 at Salem, MA) Resided St.Buttolphs aged 47 yrs, m FEb 23, 1618/19

!ORDINANCES: Stamped Archive Sheet;

She was the wife of James Water, ironmonger of London, from about 1600to 1617 when he died, one year later she married William Plasse, agunsmith. She had to be a very courageous woman. She sailed to America in herearly 60's with William Plasse and her son's family. She was the youngest of 15 children. Both of her parents died within amonth of each other when she was about 11. But she had three marriedsisters in their mid 30's and an older brother, Peter, age 29. probablyshe went to live with one of her sisters. She Wass mother to at least eight children. She lost three of herdaughters in four months to the (Black) Plague of 1603. Sarah inSeptember, Martha in October, and Phebe in December. Queen Elizabeth diedMarch of this same year. Her successor , King James- - - famous forunderwriting the king James Version of the Bible- - - left London in ahurry after the coronation ceremonies to escape the Plague. In the oneyear ending in Dec. 1603, slightly over 30,000 people died in London dueto the Plague. The plague continued after December 1603 but at a lowermorality rate from 1604 to 1611. During those years Shakespeare wrotethe tragedies which deal with the depths of human suffering. (FollowingJeanne Waters Strong. Ref. F.P. Wilson, "The Plague in ShakespeareLondon" at Guildhall Library.)

The LDS (Mormon) Church database lists conflicting records on herparents. they are listed as George Manning and Joan Wallis AND as RichardManning and Mrs Richard Manning. Richard's AFN is 1BF2-NGN

!Waters Law & Allied Families, Philomene Jenkins, 7 Oct1929, NY State Library, Albany, NY 929.2 David Waters &Consider Law, Their Ancestors and Some Descendants. pg7-19. Birth is given as abt 1571, Kent, Downe, England,father is GeorgeManning born 1550, of Kent, Downe,England. Md 1) James Water abt 1600, England. 2) WilliamPlasse 23 Feb 1618, St. Buttolph, Aldgate, England. Ancestral File also gives marriage date to William Plasseas 18 Feb 1618/19 of Salem, MA. Also gives father asRichard Manning.

Seal to Parents: 22 Jan 1960 IFALL - Idaho Falls, ID

From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.

[alexander.ged]

Source: Ancestry.com File # 96135.exe; LDS Ancestral File

[11221a.ged]

43. Phebe9 Manning (George8, John7, Hugo6, John5, John4, Simon3,William2, Stephen1)6 was born 1572 in of, London, Middlesex, England, anddied Abt. 1642 in Salem, Essex, Massachusetts, Bay Colony. She married(1) James Waters7 Abt. 1608. Shemarried (2) William Plasse Feb 18,1618/19 in Salem, Essex, Massachusetts, Bay Colony.

Generation No. 1

1. Stephen1 Manning1 was born Abt. 1284. Child of Stephen Manning is: + 2 i. William2 Manning, born Abt. 1310 in of, Codham, Kent, England;died Abt. 1342 in Codham, Kent, England.

Descendants of Stephen Manning

Generation No. 2

2. William2 Manning (Stephen1)1 was born Abt. 1310 in of, Codham,Kent, England, and died Abt. 1342 in Codham, Kent, England. He married ?Chyrfold1, daughter of Richard Chyrfold and Johanna ?. Child of William Manning and ? Chyrfold is: + 3 i. Simon3 Manning, born Abt. 1335 in of, Codham, Kent, England.

Phoebe (Manning) Waters married second William Plaise, father of Richard Waters wife Joyce.

AKA-BIRTH-MARRIAGE-DEATH: LDS Ancestor file - Doc. AFN000429 Aka: Phebe Manning Birth: 1571/1572; Of,London,Middlesex,England Marriage: James Waters; 1600 Death: Before 1646; Salem,,Essex,MA

Phoebe Manning was the daughter of George and Joan (Wallis) Manning, a gentleman of Downe, Kent, England. After the death of James, his widow married 23 Feb 1618, William Plasse/Place, a gunmaker. They came to Salem, MA about 1636.

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Phebe Plasse's Timeline

1572
1572
Downe, Kent, England
1583
May 16, 1583
Age 11
Downe, Kent, England
1595
December 7, 1595
1598
November 12, 1598
1600
November 30, 1600
London, London, England
1602
December 1, 1602
London, London, England
1605
March 3, 1605
St. Botolph Aldgate, London, Middlesex, England
1642
1642
Age 70
Salem, Essex County, Massachusetts Bay Colony