Robert de Courtenay, lord of Sutton

Traditionally seen as son of Renauld de Courtenay, Seigneur de Courtenay. However, it seems more likely he was the son of Reynold l de Courtenay, 1st lord of Sutton

Robert de Courtenay 1

• Title: Lord 2 Note: [feudal baron]
• Event: Office Note: Sheriff of Cumberland 3
• Death: 1209 2
• Father: Reynold de Courtenay
• Marriage 1) Matilda FitzUrse 2) Alice de Rumilly, Lady of Allerdale

Children by 1st wife

1. William de Courtenay, m. Ada de Dunbar
2. unnamed daughter, m. JOHN de Neuville

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Renaud & his second wife had [three] children:

5. ROBERT de Courtenay Lord of Sutton, Berkshire, Sheriff of Cumberland, son of RENAUD Seigneur de Courtenay & his second wife Hawise d’Avranches (-[1207/09]). . …. m firstly ([1174/75] or before) MATILDA, daughter of REYNOLD FitzUrse of Bulwick & his wife Beatrice de Limesay. … m secondly (before 8 Dec 1195) as her second husband, ALICE FitzDuncan Lady of Cockermouth and Allerdale, widow of GILBERT Pipard Sheriff of Gloucester and Hereford, daughter of WILLIAM FitzDuncan [of Scotland] & his second wife Alice de Rumilly (before [1153/54][214]-[6 Mar or 18 Mar] [1212/1215], bur [Gisburne Priory]).

Robert & his first wife had two children:

• a) WILLIAM de Courtenay (-18 Jan before [1212]). … m as her first husband, ADA de Dunbar, daughter of PATRICK Earl of Dunbar & his first wife Ada of Scotland.
• b) daughter . … m JOHN de Neuville, son of --- (-after 1231).

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Origins

Douglas Richardson, Post at SGM, 6 November 2019 < GoogleGroups >

Published at "Royal Ancestry" D. Richardson Vol. II. page 314

Reynold de Courtenay, of uncertain parentage. He married (1st) an unidentified wife, ____, kinswoman of Queen Eleanor of Aquitaine. They had three sons, William, Robert, and Reynold, and one daughter, Egeline. He married (2nd) after 1173 Maud FitzRobert. He was first recorded as holding lands in Devon in 1175-6. Sometime prior to his death, he granted two islands in the Thames between Witteneiam [?Wittenham] and Wadeiam [?Waddeson] to Abingdon Abbey. He died before Michaelmas 1191. In 1204-5 the king presented to the chapel of Musbury, Devon, which should have been in his widow, Maud's gift. In 1215 the king directed the Constable of Wallingford to deliver to her seisin of the vill of Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire, which formed part of her dower. In 1220 she sued Robert de Courtenay an Reynold de Courtenay (her nephews and step-grandsons) for the manors of Oakhampton, Chawleigh, Chulmleigh, Kenn, and Musbury, and Sampford, Devon and Hemington, Somerset, which she claimed as her right; Robert answered that no claims under French titles were valid; Maud rebutted that the properties were in England and she was English. Maud died shortly before 3 August 1224. In 1227 a mandate was sent to the sheriff of Gloucestershire ordering him to make enquiry of Peter FitzHerbert concerning scutage for the manor of Okehampton, Devon which belonged to Maud de Courtenay.

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From Colonial families of Long Island, New York and Connecticut, being the ancestry & kindred of Herbert Furman Seversmith., vol.5. Seversmith, Herbert Furman, (1904-Seversmith, Herbert Furman, 1904-,) Page 420-421 < text link > https://hdl.handle.net/2027/wu.89063148589

… While at first, in the earlier years of his association with Henry II, both in Normandy and in England, de Courtenay appears to have held only of the king's gift, he formally received a grant of the manor of Sutton at some date between 1172 and 1178. This was perhaps associated with the wardship of the two daughters of Matilda or Maud d'Avrlanches, which, to- gether with their marriages were given to Reginald de Courtenay after their mother died in 1172. Shortly thereafter Reginald married Matilda Fitz-Ede, , one of the daughters, and by 1178 his son by an earlier wife, Reginald, married Matilda's half-sister, Hawise de Courcy. The senior Reginald de Courtenay died during Michaelmas term (October. December), 1190. Both he and his son Robert, who received the manor Sutton during the term, are recorded successively in the Pipe Roll the term. for Reginald de Courtenay married at least twice, and perhaps three times. The name of the mother of his son Reginald is not known. His last wife, who survived him, was Matilda or Maud 'Fitz-Ede', daughter of Robert Fitz- Ede or Edith, illegitimate son of king Henry I of England and Edith, dau.. of Forn, by Matilda (d'Avranches) de Courcy, widow of William de Courcy. By her he had no known issue. His first wife has been unauthoritatively termed the sister of one Guy de Donjon. Issue, by first wife: 1. William. He had a wife named Ada, who after his death married to Theobald de Lascelles, kt. Issue is said to have included a son Robert, who died without hei'ss of his body. Issue, wife's name unknown: 2. Robert, who paid a relief of 300 marks to the king in 1191 to en. joy in peace ( saving the rights of the heirs of his first born brother William) the manor of Sutton, which had been his fa ther's. William had no heirs to claim the manor, and when Ro. bert died in 1209, also without heirs of his body, the went to his brother Reginald. 3. REGINALD, married Hawi se de Courcy. See page 2, 419. 4. Egelina, married Gilbert Basset. See CURTENAY. second line. manor NOTES See Calendar of Documents in France.

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