Robert of London

ROBERT OF LONDON (afterwards ROBERT OF LUNDIN)

The Question of Identity

Robert of London, here treated, is not the same person as Robert of London who is the son of Richard of London and Matilde of Ferrers Dryburgh: 54

Robert of London, here treated, is the bastard son of William I, King of Scots. NRS: GD1/17/1 His mother's name is not known, although it seems quite likely, probable even, that she belonged to the family of de Londres or de Londoniis. [The Anglo-Norman Era in Scottish History. By G. W. S. Barrow. (Oxford University Press, 1980). pp. 63-4]

Robert of London, here treated, is noticed as the king's son in the witness list of at least one of the charters issued by William I, King of Scots: "Robto de London fil mo", Kelso Liber: charter number 144 on p. 112 and as the king's brother in a charter by which Alexander II, King of Scots, confirms his gift of land at Cadzow in Lanarkshire to the monks of Kelso: "hac carta mea conf'masse . donacomem illa qua Robert' de London frat' meus secit deo 7 ecclie sce Marie de Kelch 7 monachis ibide deo suientibz". Kelso: 183

Marriage

According to the Scottish Clan and Family Encyclopedia, Robert of London, here treated, married the heiress of the house of Lundin and, thereafter, assumed the Lundin surname. [Scottish Clan and Family Encyclopedia. By George Way of Plean and Romilly Squire (Harper Collins, Glasgow, 1994), p. 416]

EVIDENCE FROM THE MUNIMENTS OF SCONE

1165 X 1214: Charter by which William I, King of Scots, confirms a donation to the monastery of Scone by Hugh of Kaledou. Witnessed by the King's son Robert of London and others: "Rob . de . London . fil . mo ". Scone Munimenta: charter number 25 on p. 20

EVIDENCE FROM THE REGISTER OF PANMURE

1214 X 1249: Charter by which Alexander II, King of Scots, confirms that he has given a toft at Scone to his brother Robert of London. The charter was witness by Thomas of Lundin, hostiarius, and others. Panmure Registrum: p. 133

EVIDENCE FROM THE REGISTER OF KELSO ABBEY

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1165 X 1214: Wllls del gra Rex Scott • Oimibz pbis homibz toci tre sue clicis 7 lalcis salt • Sciant pfentes 7 futur me concefliffe 7 hac carta mea conrmafle deo 7 Ecclie sce Marie de Kelcbou 7 monachis ibide do suientibz donacom illam q*m Wilis de ueti ponte eis fecit de Ecctia de Langtune • Tenend s** in libam 7 pura 7 ppetua elemofinara cu tris 7 declmis 7 omib3 alljs ad pdeam eceam iufi;e ptinentib3 Ita liBe 7 q^ete / plenarle 7 bonorifice • ficut alias ccctias fuas libi^ / q'^ecius pleni^ 7 bonorificcnci^ tcnent 7 poflident 7 ficut carta pfati Willi teftatur / p diuifas tre q'%i pdes WiHs eidem ecctie dedit noiatas in carta ipius • Saluo Sulcio meo fi qd feruiciu me ^tin^e debet de ?ris ab code Witto datis pfate ecctie / Test / Hug Cancll meo • Com Patric Juftic • Robto de Qu'nci / Robto de London fit mo / Alano fit Walt / Wllo de Hala / Ric fil Hug / Willo Flandr" / Apd Selecbircb • xxix die Julij Kelso Liber: charter number 144 on p. 112

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1165 X 1214 Charter number 412 on p. 318

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10 July 1222: Kelso Liber: charter number 183 on p. 151

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1198 X 1216: Kelso Liber: charter number 460 on pp. 350-54

EVIDENCE FROM THE CHARTER BOOK OF ST. ANDREWS

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1165 X 1214: Robto de Lund St. Andrews Liber: pp. 230-31

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1165 X 1214: Robto de Lond fil Will reg scoc St. Andrews Liber: p. 381

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Rob de London St. Andrews Liber: pp. 382-3

EVIDENCE FROM THE MUNIMENTS OF MELROSE

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EVIDENCE FROM THE REGISTER OF PAISLEY

1165 X 1214: Roberto de Londe Paisley Registrum: p. 101

EVIDENCE FROM THE REGISTER OF DRYBURGH ABBEY

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1214 X 1265: Dryburgh Liber: charter number 60 on pp. 45-6

EVIDENCE FROM THE NATIONAL RECORDS OF SCOTLAND

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[1195 × 1210] July 8. Stirling. Charter by William, king of Scots, to Robert of Londoun, his [illegitimate] son, and his heirs, of the royal forest of Ouethe [in Dunfermline], in forest, as the king held it in forest on the dayhe granted it to Robert. Witnesses: Philip of Valoniis, Chamberlain, William of Boscho [del Bois], king's clerk, Alexander, king's sheriff of Stirling, Richard son of Hugo, and Herbert de Camera. National Records of Scotland, Papers of the Drummond Family, Earls of Perth (Drummond Castle Papers), reference GD160/269

Note: Tag; seal gone. Register of Dunfermline, no. 57. p. 33., G W S Barrow (ed), 'Regesta Regum Scottorum, volume 2, the Acts of William I, King of Scots, 1165-1214' (Edinburgh, 1971), no. 463

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1207 X 1210: Charter by King William the Lion confirming to the Monks of Holyrood the quitclaim which Seyer de Quinci, Earl of Winchester, made to them of his right to the Church of Travernent [Tranent]; confirming also to them a carucate of land and ten acres in the territory of Tranent at Fawside which the father of the said Seyer gave to them in free alms; confirming also to them the whole lands in Nodrif [Niddrie] which the father of the said Seyer gave to them for service of the chapel there. Witnesses:- Robert of London, the King's son, Florence the Chancellor, William Cumin, William and Oliver, royal chaplains, William de Bosco (Wood) and Hugh, royal clerks, Roger of Mortimer, and Herbert de Camera (Chalmer). Dated at Forfar 17th March [1207x1210]. National Records of Scotland, Titles to lands at Ratho, Midlothian and in East Lothian, reference GD1/17/1

Note: Full text printed in Register of Holyrood Charters (Bannatyne Club) No. 38, and in G W S Barrow (ed), 'Regesta Regum Scottorum: The Acts of William I King of Scots 1165-1214' (Edinburgh, 1971), no. 479 (whence date).

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1203 X 1210: Charter by Robert of Londoun, [illegitimate] son of William, king of Scots, for souls of himself, Alexander [later Alexander II], his brother, and Lady Ada, the countess, and his ancestors, and in discharge of claim of 6 merks due to monks of Dunfermline, from royal lordship of Killin, to Church of Holy Trinity of Dunfermline and monks thereof, of the whole of Uueth granted by William, king of Scots, to granter. Witnesses: William, bishop of St Andrews, Richard, bishop of Dunkeld, Thomas, prior of St Andrews, John, prior of May, Alexander, prior of island of St Columba [Iona], Malcolm, earl of Fife, Walter Olifart, Hingelgram Baillol, William de Bosco [del Bois], king's clerk, Alexander, sheriff of Stirling, Galfridus of Inverkunniglas [Kinglassie], John of Morravia [Moray], Simon Malleverer and William Avenal. Fragment of tag; seal gone. National Records of Scotland, Titles to lands at Ratho, Midlothian and in East Lothian, reference GD1/17/1

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