Rose Garnsey

• Not the daughter of Gregory Taylor, of Stamford & Alice ‘Ascha’ Taylor
• Not the daughter of Edmond Lockwood & Ruth //

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Family

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Porter-21169

Rose arrived with her father, Roger Porter, and three sisters aboard the ship Confidence in April of 1638[1]. She was the last listed sister and probably the youngest. Rose married c. 1641 to John Waterbury.[2] John died on 31 July 1658.[2] In 1854 when Roger Porter died John Waterbury made a claim on it for his wife and children.[3].

Rose married on 11 May 1659 at Stamford, as her 2nd husband, to Joseph Garnsey, and they had one son together.[2][4] Rose died after 12 February 1684 and before 1685.[5]

Children of Rose and John Waterbury:[6][2] The order of their births is uncertain.

1. Rachel Waterbury, b c. 1641; m John Holmes
2. Sarah Waterbury, b c. 1643; m 1) Zechariah Dibble and divorced in 1672, 2) Nicholas Webster, 3) Edward Treherne
3. John Waterbury, b c. 1646, d 1688
4. Jonathan Waterbury, b c. 1648, d 14 Jan 1702/3
5. David Waterbury, b c. 1650, d 20 Nov 1706

Child of Rose and Joseph Gurnsey:

1. Joseph Garnsey, b 30 Jun 1662 Stamford. Married Mary Lockwood.

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Origins

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Porter-4631

Roger Porter, listed in the ship passenger manifest as "of Long Sutton in the county of South, Husbandman, [age] 55", immigrated to New England on the Ship Confidence, April of 1638 with his four daughters[1].[2]

Roger Porter's first wife, the mother of his children, has not yet been identified. Since she is not recorded on the passenger manifest, presumably she died in England before 1638.

Children

Children with as-yet unidentified first wife, all born in England and listed on the passenger manifest:

1. Joane Porter. Married 1) Thomas Chillingworth 2) Thomas Doggett
2. Susan Porter. Married Nathan Fiske.
3. Mary Porter. Married John Dunham.
4. Rose Porter. Married 1) John Waterbury 2) Joseph Garnsey.

He married second Grace (Ravens) Sherman Rogers. Grace (Ravens) was first the widow of John Sherman, and her second husband, Thomas Rogers, who died in Watertown and was buried there on 12 Nov 1638,[3] not long after the widowed Roger Porter arrived in Watertown. Their wedding record has not been found, but presumably it occurred a decent interval after the death of Thomas Rogers.

Death

Roger Porter died on 3 Feb 1654 in Watertown, aged about 71[6]. Roger Porter's probate was settled in 1654[7].

Estate Settlement

The claimants listed in his estate were his widow, Grace, and Daniel Smith (husband of his stepdaughter, Elizabeth Rogers) & John Waterbury (husband of his daughter Rose) & Nathan Fiske (husband of his daughter Susanna), Thomas Dogget (husband of his daughter Joan & John Dunham (husband of his daughter Mary), claiming for their wives and children.

Notes

John Waterbury was born in Sudbury, England and came to America in 1629. He was an innkeeper in Watertown, MA in 1639. He was in Stamford by 1650. He lived in a house on the south side of North Street, which is now Broad Street, and moved into Thomas Morehouse' home on the east side of South Street, which is now Atlantic Street. He was married to a woman named Rose, whose surname is shown as Lockwood in many sources. Paul Prindle, in his book, "Ancestry of Elizabeth Barrett Gillespie," offers a convincing argument on pages 496-498 that Rose was not a Lockwood, but rather a daughter of Gregory and Achsa Taylor.

Research Notes

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Porter-21169

Birth date c. 1625 is a guess, based on the birth date of her son in 1648.

In his Ye Historie of Ye Town of Greenwich (1911), Spencer P. Mead reports that John Waterbury married Rose Lockwood.[6] Mead offers no evidence for this statement, and to this day none has been found. Unfortunately, Hoppin followed Mead in his Washington Ancestry ..., and others have automatically adopted the idea as fact. The Lockwoods have since been refuted.

Edmund Lockwood and his wife, Unknown (Unknown) Lockwood have been removed as parents.

Another proposal is that Rose was a daughter of Gregory Taylor .[7] Paul Prindle makes an excellent circumstantial case in his Ancestry of Elizabeth Barrett Gillespie ... including record of the estate inventory for Gregory Taylor. In 1657, John "Waterberry" and his wife were asked to attest to the accuracy of the inventory (which they apparently refused to do). It seems this was not the only barrier to settlement. In 1669, when John Waterbury's estate was settled, the court mentioned the Taylor estate amount as included in John's, but with a caveat, "if ther apears a better proprieter ..." as if someone else might come forward to claim the Taylor portion. The CtGenWeb.org site has transcribed this Exceprt from Paul Prindle’s Ancestry of Elizabeth Barrett Gillespie, pages 496-498 which includes both statements, "there must remain some doubt of her being Gregory's daughter" and "there seems to be a strong possibility they were Rose's parents, or perhaps Rose was their adopted daughter."[7]

The Gregory Taylor family and the John Waterbury family were two of the eight families which removed from Watertown to Stamford in the mid-1640s.[8] The others were: Nicholas Theale, William Potter, Nicholas Knapp, Robert Lockwood, John Ellet, and Richard Ambler.

However, it is known that Gregory Taylor was John Waterbury's stepfather, having married his mother, Alice. This would explain John's role in Gregory Taylors estate as well as the fact that the court seemed to think it possible that some one with a better claim might appear. John testified on 21 October 1657 that “his father in law and mother are both dead lately at Stamford,”, seemingly referring to Gregory and Alice Taylor. However, this can be explained by the fact that at that time the word "in-law" was also used to indicate step parentage. He calls Gregory his "father in law" and Alice his mother. The profiles for Gregory Taylor and Alice (Unknown) Taylor have been detached as parents of Rose.

Based on the ship's manifest and estate papers it seems much more likely that Rose is the daughter of Roger Porter.

Rose Taylor Lockwood is apparently not a Lockwood, but probably the daughter of Gregory and Achsa Taylor.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/lockwood/messages/1872.html

Disproved origins

(f/g) Rose Lockwood Waterbury Birth: 1616 Combs Suffolk, England Death: Feb. 12, 1684 Stamford Fairfield County Connecticut, USA

Rose was born in Combs by Stowmarket, in Suffolk. Some sources give her surname as Taylor, but her parents were named Lockwood. I've found no evidence of a marriage to anyone named Taylor, but she may have been adopted-- the custom of changing an adoptee's surname was not established until the 18th century. John Waterbury himself may have been adopted at age 10 or so by the Lockwoods when his parents were said to have returned to England, for purposes unknown-- if they did, John's father at least returned to the New World, as he died in Boston in 1650. A recent arrival to the debate asserts, with some degree of speculation, that Rose's last name was Purcell, and that John's father was a swordsmith who moved to Germany to ply his craft. But Sudbury was a textile town with no apparent connection to ironworking, and John's family occupation reflects this-- he was a sherman or cloth dresser. Rose's burial with her husband is an inference I will seek evidence of when I visit cemeteries in Stamford this summer.

Family links:

Spouse:

 John Waterbury (1621 - 1658) 

Children:

 Jonathan Waterbury (1653 - 1702)

 David Waterbury (1655 - 1706)

Burial: Titicus Cemetery Ridgefield Fairfield County Connecticut, USA Created by: Bill Velde Record added: May 27, 2011 Find A Grave Memorial# 70464473 -tcd

The maiden surname and parentage of Rose, who married first John Waterbury (1621-1658) and second Joseph Garnsey (c.1621-1688) has never been discovered. She was born in England about 1622, and had come to Watertown, Massachusetts by 1642, the year she most likely married John Waterbury of that place. In 1646, Rose and John Waterbury removed to Stamford, Connecticut in company with Gregory Taylor, John's step-father (or "father-in-law," according to 17th-century usage), who had married in 1631 Alice (surname unknown), widow of William Waterbury (1593-1630-31). John Waterbury died at Stamford 31 July 1658, and Rose subsequently married, 11 May 1659, Joseph Garnsey (born England c.1621), who died at Stamford 11 November 1688. The death date of Rose has never been found; she was living at Stamford 24 September 1696, when, along with her son Joseph Garnsey Jr. (1662-1709), she sold the house and home lot of her late husband Joseph Garnsey Sr.

Over the years, two false (but persistent) claims regarding the identity of Rose have been made by Waterbury researchers. First, as early as the turn of the last century, Spencer Mead proposed that Rose was born Rose Lockwood, daughter of Edmund Lockwood, perhaps based on confusion over the fact that Joseph Garnsey Jr. (1662-1709), son of Rose by her second husband, had married Mary Lockwood. This claim has been thoroughly debunked and disproven many times by Lockwood researchers, but still appears in on-line family trees at "Ancestry" and other places, along with a spurious birth date for Rose of 1616 (which would make her five years older than her husband, and 48 at the birth of her last child), as well as an impossible death date of 1684, twelve years before her appearance in the 1696 deed.

Another proposed identification for Rose, more plausible but still wrong, makes her the daughter of Gregory Taylor; this is based on a misunderstanding about the meaning of the term "father-in-law" in the 17th century. The probate record of Gregory Taylor refers to him as the "father-in-law" of John Waterbury; but at that period, "father-in-law" meant BOTH "the father of my spouse" AND "the man who married my mother," that is, "my STEP-FATHER." Gregory Taylor (c.1600-1657) having married in 1631 John Waterbury's widowed mother Alice (c.1597-1657), was John's "father-in-law," in the sense of "step-father." There is however, no evidence that Gregory Taylor had a daughter, Rose or otherwise, who married John Waterbury; in fact, his probate record makes it fairly clear that he left no children.

References

• The Garnsey-Guernsey genealogy: an account of thirteen generations of descendants from Henry Garnsey ( - -1692) of Dorchester, Mass., and Joseph Guernsie-Garnsey ( --1688) of Stamford, Conn. by Eva Louise Garnsey Card (1963). Section lll, Page 534. < Archive.Org >
• Reference: Find A Grave Memorial - SmartCopy: Sep 12 2022, 3:34:02 UTC

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