Simon Leib Herzl

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Theodor Herzl's grandfathers, both of whom he knew well, had a much closer attachment to traditional Judaism. His paternal grandfather, SIMON LEIB HERZL (1805-1879), lived in Zemlin, and his maternal grandfather, HERMANN DIAMANT (1805-1871), lived in Budapest. Theodor admired them both. Two of his paternal grandfather's brothers and his maternal grandmother's brother rank as unusual characters, exemplifying complete estrangement and rejection of Judaism, on the one hand, and utter loyalty and devotion to Judaism and Erez Israel, on the other.

Theodor grandfather's brothers, MOSHE and HERSHEL HERZL, converted as adults to the Serbian Orthodox faith (although their wives and sons remained Jews). They changed their names to Lafero Spasoevitch and Costa Petrovich. The family thoroughly disapproved of their actions and would not let their names pass their lips.

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http://www.haaretz.com/magazine/happy-birthday-herzl/the-theodor-lo...

The Theodor Lobl that never was

The Torah may have one official version, but family trees are far from canonical.

By Steve Klein

Family trees are far from canonical. Reaching back centuries or even millennia in some instances, different branches of a purported common ancestor develop family traditions or legends unknown to the other sections of the tree.

One such tradition involves the family name, by which Theodor Herzl could easily have been a Lobl.

According to Liora Herzl, her great-aunt Clara, a second cousin of Theodor Herzl’s father, told the family that their relationship to the Zionist visionary was through Theodor’s great-grandmother Verna and not great-grandfather Leibel.

Clara related that Verna, the aunt of Liora’s great-grandfather Kalman (through his father Ishai Herzl), married a man named Leopold Lobl. Together, they had Theodor’s grandfather, Shimon Lobl.

The Herzl’s had come from Moravia and then divided into three branches − Moravia, Hungary and Zemun ‏(Simlin‏) near Belgrade in Serbia.

The empress Maria Theresa at a certain point permitted only a specified number of Jews to live in Zemun, including Ishai’s family but not Shimon’s.

A 1773 census indicated that 25 Jewish families were living there. Shimon, who according to the family tree was born around 1805, went to live with his uncle and aunt, according to Clara, and apparently adopted his uncle’s last name so that he could remain in the town, where he was eventually buried.

The document Clara dictated in the 1930s was preserved because the family of Miriam Hasenfrantz (nee Herzl) and Rachel Talmon (nee Herzl) lived in Timisoara, Romania, and were never deported from there, though Hasenfrantz says “the trains were ready.” She added that the document lies in a drawer in her home in Kiryat Ono. 
 

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Fundamentally-Freund-Bring-Herzls-gran...

In 1858 the Jewish community of Zemun applied to extend the stay of a number of families.

Rapoarte şi corespondenţă privind cererea comunităţii evreieşti din Zemun de a fi tolerate în continuare în oraş familiile Löbl, Billiz, Wechsler, Herzl şi Klopper, cererea negustorului evreu tolerat, Bernhardt Keppich din Caransebeş, de a i se aproba ieşirea din comunion şi cumpărarea unei case pro

Rapoarte şi corespondenţă privind cererea comunităţii evreieşti din Zemun de a fi tolerate în continuare în oraş familiile Löbl, Billiz, Wechsler, Herzl şi Klopper, cererea negustorului evreu tolerat, Bernhardt Keppich din Caransebeş, de a i se aproba ieşirea din comunion şi cumpărarea unei case proprii, etc. 1858 niv.Dosar TM-F-00001-1740-1858-88

This concerns the issue of a travel pass for the trader Simon Herzl and the architect Florian Felber

Procese verbale, rapoarte şi corespondenţă privind controlul paşapoartelor între Zemun şi Pančevo, controlul vapoarelor, implicarea jandarmeriei, protocol privind supravegherea debarcaderului de la Zemun şi a graniţei, eliberarea paşapoartelor de călătorie pentru negustorul Simon Herzl, pentru arhit

Procese verbale, rapoarte şi corespondenţă privind controlul paşapoartelor între Zemun şi Pančevo, controlul vapoarelor, implicarea jandarmeriei, protocol privind supravegherea debarcaderului de la Zemun şi a graniţei, eliberarea paşapoartelor de călătorie pentru negustorul Simon Herzl, pentru arhitectul Florian Felber ş.a. 1858 niv.Dosar TM-F-00001-1740-1858-50

Source: The National archives of Romania, Centrul Regional Timișoara (Angelique Kuster)

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