Sir William Say, Kt.

• Sir William Say, Sheriff of Somerset, Dorset, Essex, & Hertfordshire, Burgess of Plympton, Justice of the Peace for Hertfordshire1,2,3,4
• M, #90678, b. circa 1452, d. 4 December 1529
• Father Sir John Saye, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, Speaker of the House of Commons, Under Treasurer of England1,3 b. c 1425, d. 12 Apr 1478
• Mother Elizabeth Cheney1,3 b. c 1422, d. 25 Sep 1473
• Sir William Say, Sheriff of Somerset, Dorset, Essex, & Hertfordshire, Burgess of Plympton, Justice of the Peace for Hertfordshrie was born circa 1452 at of Broxbourne & Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England; Age 26 in 1478.1,3 He married Genevieve Hill, daughter of John Hill, circa 1475; His 1st marriage. No issue.3 Sir William Say, Sheriff of Somerset, Dorset, Essex, & Hertfordshire, Burgess of Plympton, Justice of the Peace for Hertfordshrie married Elizabeth Fray, daughter of Sir John Fray, Chief Baron of the Exchequer and Agnes Danvers, circa 18 April 1480; They had 2 daughters (Elizabeth, wife of Sir William Blount, 4th Lord Mountjoy; & Mary, wife of Sir Henry Bourchier, Earl of Essex).1,3 Sir William Say, Sheriff of Somerset, Dorset, Essex, & Hertfordshire, Burgess of Plympton, Justice of the Peace for Hertfordshrie left a will in 1529.3 He died on 4 December 1529; Buried at Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, with his 2 wives.1,3 His estate was probated on 25 August 1531.3
• Family 1 Genevieve Hill b. c 1453, d. b 18 Apr 1480
• Family 2 Elizabeth Fray b. c 1441, d. a 13 Jan 1495
• Children
  • Elizabeth Say+2,4 b. c 1481, d. b 21 Jul 1506
  • Mary Say5,6 b. c 1483, d. a 5 Jun 1535
• Citations
• 1.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 740-741.
• 2.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 418.
• 3.[S6] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 418-419.
• 4.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 335-336.
• 5.[S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. V, p. 138-139.
• 6.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 741.
• From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p3018.htm#...
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• 1. WILLIAM Bourchier (-killed in battle Barnet 14 Apr 1471[703]). A manuscript pedigree dated to [1500] names "Elizabeth Countess of Essex" as daughter of "Anne Countess of Cambridge" and mother of "William Lord Bouchier"[704]. He was styled Viscount Bourchier. [705]Maybe m firstly ISABEL de Vere, daughter of JOHN de Vere Earl of Oxford & his wife Elizabeth Howard . m [secondly] (before 15 Aug 1467) as her first husband, ANNE Wydeville, daughter of RICHARD Wydeville Earl Rivers & his wife Jacquette de Luxembourg ([1438]-30 Jul 1489). A manuscript pedigree dated to [1500] names "Anne Lady Bouchier" as daughter of "Richard Earl Rivers" and mother of "Henry Earl of Essex" and of "Lady Ferrers of Chartley"[706]. She married secondly Sir Edward Wingfield, and thirdly (before 26 Jun 1480) as his first wife, George Grey Earl of Kent. William & his wife had three children:
  • c) HENRY ([posthumously][708] [1471/72]-Baas Manor, Broxbourne 13 Mar 1540, bur Little Easton, Essex). A manuscript pedigree dated to [1500] names "Anne Lady Bouchier" as daughter of "Richard Earl Rivers" and mother of "Henry Earl of Essex" and of "Lady Ferrers of Chartley"[709]. He succeeded his paternal grandfather in 1483 as Earl of Essex. He died having broken his neck by a fall from a German horse[710]. m ([1498]) MARY Say, daughter and co-heiress of Sir WILLIAM Say of Broxbourne and Essenden, Hertfordshire & his second wife Elizabeth Fray (-after 5 Jun 1535). Henry & his wife had one child: ....
• From: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL1.htm#...
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• The Antiquary, Volume 32 edited by Edward Walford, John Charles Cox, George Latimer Apperson
• https://archive.org/details/antiquary32slsniala
• https://archive.org/stream/antiquary32slsniala#page/223/mode/1up
• Pg. 223
  • HILL. CHART
• CHILDREN of Margaret Rodney & John Hill
  • Genovefa, b. Aug., 1455; d. c. 1480; mar. Sir Wm. Say (d. Dec. 4, 1529), of Sawbridgeworth, but had only one child, which died with its mother. Sir Wm. mar. (2) Elizabeth, widow of Sir T. Walgrave.
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  • 'Hill06'
• A. John Hill of Spaxton (d 1434) m. Cicely Sturton (dau of John Sturton of Preston Plucknett by Joan, dau of William Banaster of Wheathill)
  • i. John Hill (b 1424) m1. Margaret Rodney (dau of Sir Walter Rodney of Rodney Stoke, son of John by Ann Croftes)
    • a. daughter m. __ Walgrave
    • b. Jenoflekke (Genofeffe = Genevieve?) Hill m. Sir William Say of Hartsnest (dsp 1529)
• From: Stirnet.com
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• Parochial and family history of the parishes of St. Mabyn and Michaelstow in the county of Cornwall
• http://www.archive.org/details/parochialfamilyh00maclin
• http://www.archive.org/stream/parochialfamilyh00maclin#page/66/mode...
• The pedigree of the family of Hill of Heligan, recorded at the Herald's Visitation of Cornwall in 1620, which is attested by "Humphrye Hyll," commences with Robert Hill, or Hyll, who married Margaret daughter and heir of Peter Fauntleroy. A pedigree in the British Museum carries the pedigree several generations higher, stating that this Robert Hill, was the son of Giles Hill, the son of Robert Hill, the son of Ralph Hill, the son of John Hill of Spaxton, by a second marriage with Maud daughter of Sir Giles Daubenay. Whether any portion of these descents may be accurate or not we cannot say, but it is certain that John Hill of Spaxton had no son, as we have already shown (Hist, of Trigg, vol. ii, p. 28). He died in 1455, leaving as his heir, by Margaret daughter of Sir William Rodney, an infant daughter, aged eight weeks. This young lady, in due time, became the wife of Sir William Saye of Broxbourne, co. Herts, and died before her husband sp., and the estates devolved upon the issue of her aunts as her nearest heirs. (Vide Ped. ibid pp. 42, 43.)
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http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com/Probate/PROB_11-30-620.pdf

The testator [Edward Waldegrave] was the second son of Sir Thomas Waldegrave (d. 28 April 1472) of
Smallbridge and Elizabeth Fray (b.1441), daughter and co-heiress of Sir John Fray
(d.1461), Chief Baron of the Exchequer, by Agnes Danvers (d.1478), daughter of Sir
John Danvers. See Richardson, Douglas, Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd ed., 2011, Vol. III, p.
418 at:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=kjme027UeagC&pg=RA2-PA418
For earlier generations of the Waldegrave family, see the will, TNA PROB 11/22/294,
dated 26 January 1525 and 6 July 1525 and proved 6 March 1528, of the testator’s elder
brother, Sir William Waldegrave (c.1465 - 30 June 1527), one of the executors of John de
Vere (1442-1513), 13th Earl of Oxford. For the will of the 13th Earl, see TNA PROB
11/17/379.
After the death of the testator’s father, the testator’s mother, Elizabeth Fray (b.1441),
married secondly Sir William Say (c.1452 – 4 December 1529). For his will, dated 8
November 1529 and proved 25 August 1531, see TNA PROB 11/24/102, and the original
spelling transcript at:
http://fmg.ac/resources/scanned-sources/file/130-s-1614?start=20