Thierry II, count of Autun

From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page (including his parents and brother's family): http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#TheodericIA... & http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdautun.htm

THEODERIC [I], son of --- (-[791/15 Dec 804]). The origin of Comte Theoderic is not known. An interesting speculation is a relationship with the early Saxon leader Widukind, as explained above. Comte d'Autun. Einhard indicates that Theoderich was related to Charles I King of the Franks when he records that in 782 the king sent his three missi "Adalgiso camerario et Geilone comite stabuli et Worado comite palati" to meet "in…Saxonis…Theodericus comes, propinquus regis"[411], the relationship probably being through the wife of Theoderic [I] (see below). "Carolus…rex Francorum et Langobardorum" gave a judgment by charter dated to [Dec 775] which names "fidelibus…Widrigo, Odrigo, Theodrico, Bernehardo, Albuino, Aginhardo, Berngario comitibus et Anshelmo comite palacii nostri"[412]. Einhard records that Charles I King of the Franks sent "Theodorico comite et Meginfredo camerario suo" to "aquilonalem Danubii ripam" in 791[413]. "Willelmus…comes" names "genitore meo Theuderico et genitrice mea Aldana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone[414].

m ALDANA, daughter of ---. "Willelmus…comes" names "genitore meo Theuderico et genitrice mea Aldana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone[415]. Settipani quotes an Aquitaine necrology which lists "Willelmus…pater eius Theodericus, mater Aldana soror Hiltrudis et Landradæ"[416]. He suggests that "Hiltrudis" was the wife of Odilo Duke of Bavaria, and therefore that the wife of Theoderic was Aldana, daughter of Charles "Martel" maiordomus of Austrasia and Neustria [Carolingian]. The theory is attractive but not conclusive, as its validity depends on there being no other contemporary Hiltrudis, which is not provable. Hlawitschka highlights the case against the affiliation[417]. However, the evidence of the 25 May 765 charter, quoted in the document MEROVINGIAN NOBILITY under Aldana’s supposed sister Landrada, suggests that Settipani’s hypothesis may be correct. In addition, Einhard indicates that Theoderic [I] was related to Charles I King of the Franks when he records that in 782 King Charles sent his three missi "Adalgiso camerario et Geilone comite stabuli et Worado comite palati" to meet "in…Saxonis…Theodericus comes, propinquus regis"[418]. One possible relationship being between the king and Theoderic [I] would have been through his wife, if she had been the king's paternal aunt.

Theoderic [I] & his wife had [seven] children:

1. TEUDOIN (-826 or after). "Willelmus…comes" names "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone[419]. Comte d'Autun 804/26. m ---. The name of the wife of Teudoin is not known.

a) THEODERIC [III] (-[after 826]). 816/21. Theoderic is named as son of Teudoin in Europäische Stammtafeln[420] but the primary source on which this is based has not been identified. The Manual of Dhuoda names "domnus Teodericus…condam" as godfather of Doda's son Bernard (born in 826), although it does not specify a family relationship between the two[421]. Of the three possible individuals in the family named Theoderic, Theoderic [II] is a less likely possibility because of his presumed age. Theoderic [IV] is named in another section of the Manual, without any reference to his being Bernard's godfather. Theoderic [III] therefore appears the most likely possibility.

2. THEODERIC [II] (-after 14 Dec 804, maybe after 811). "Willelmus…comes" names "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone, Theoderic being named in only one of the versions365. [Einhard's Annales record "Theotheri comes" as one of the signatories of peace with the Vikings in 811[422]. It is not certain that the signatory was Theoderic [II].]

3. ADALELM . "Willelmus…comes" names "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone365.

4. NN [--- . m ---.] One possible child:

a) [BERTRAND . "Willelmus…comes" names "nepote meo Bertranno" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone365. There is no more precise indication of the relationship between Guillaume and Bertrand although, if nepos is in this context correctly translated as nephew, Bertrand must have been the son of a brother or sister of Guillaume who is not otherwise named in the charter, presumably deceased at the time.]

5. GUILLAUME ([750/55]-Gellone [28 May [812/13]/21 May 815]). Comte de Toulouse, Marquis de Septimanie. "Willelmus…comes" names "genitore meo Theuderico et genitrice mea Aldana" and "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") "sororibus meis Albana et Bertana" "filiabus meis et filiis Barnardo, Witchario, Gotcelmo, Helimbruch" (version two: "filios meos et filias Witcario, Hildehelmo et Helinbruch") "uxoribus meis Cunegunde et Guitburge" (version two: "Witburg et Cunegunde") "nepote meo Bertranno" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone[423].

- see below.

6. ABBA[Albana] (-after 804). "Willelmus…comes" names "sororibus meis Albana et Bertana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone[424]. The Vita S. Willelmi records that “beatus Willelmus” had “duæ sorores virgines…Albana…Bertana”[425]. Nun in 804. [m NIBELUNG [II], son of [NIBELUNG [I] Count in Burgundy & his wife --- (-after 805). Settipani highlights the onomastic connections between the family of St Guillaume and the family of Nibelung, suggested by the names Bernard and Theoderic borne by the possible descendants of Nibelung [II][426]. He suggests that, if there was a connection between the two families, it would most likely have been through the wife of Nibelung [II] who could have been either Abba or Berta, sisters of St Guillaume. There is, however, no indication at all of the first name of the wife of Nibelung [II]. This would of course be incorrect if the connection was through either Abba's father or mother, as referred to above. The other difficulty with this hypothesis is that the Vita S. Willelmi implies that Guillaume’s sisters remained unmarried when it records that he had “duæ sorores virgines…Albana…Bertana”[427].]

7. BERTA [Bertana]. "Willelmus…comes" names "sororibus meis Albana et Bertana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone[428].
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From the French Wikipedia page on Theoden d'Autun:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodoen_d%27Autun

Theodoen, Teudoin ou Thiouin est un comte d'Autun des VIIIe et IXe siècles de la famille des Guilhemides. Il est fils de Thierry Ier, comte d'Autun, et d'Alda, elle-même fille de Charles-Martel.

Biographie

Il n'est cité comme comte d'Autun dans la charte que son frère Guillaume établit le 15 décembre 804 lors de la fondation de l'abbaye de Gellone avec deux autres frères, Alleaume (ou Adalhelm) et un Thierry qui n'est pas mentionné dans toutes les chartes[1],[2].

Mariage et enfants

Son épouse n'est pas connue. On sait qu'il est père de [1],[2] :

Thierry II, comte d'Autun

peut-être d'Abba, mariée à Warin et mère d'Isembart (en) (800 † 858), comte d'Autun de 853 à 858.

Inspiration littéraire

Il est mis en scène dans le roman Le poignard et le poison de Marc Paillet, comme comte d'Autun en 796, où il accable d'impôt le peuple, par l'intermédiaire de son vicomte Alric et de son intendant Bodert, qui en profitent pour abuser de ses ordres et faire fortune. De nombreux paysans quittent leur tenure et se réunissent autour d'un rebelle, Doremus. À la suite d'un litige avec l'évêque Martin sur la propriété de quatre manses, Charlemagne envoie deux missi dominici, le comte Childebrand et l'abbé saxon Erwin[3], qui finissent par rétablir l'ordre dans l'Autunois et mettre au jour la culpabilité de Thiouin, qui est contraint de céder le comté à son fils avant d'être jugé au plaid de Charlemagne[4].

Notes et références

1.↑ a et b Foundation for Medieval Genealogy.

2.↑ a et b Settipani 1993, p. 345.

3.↑ Childebrand II a effectivement été envoyé en mission à Autun par Charlemagne à cette date, mais il semble que le comte d'Autun d'alors était Childebrand III, probablement neveu de Childebrand II et de Thiouin.

4.↑ Marc Paillet, Le poignard et le poison, 10-18, coll. « Grands détectives », 1995 (ISBN 2-264-02129-2) .

Bibliographie

Pierre Riché, Les Carolingiens, une famille qui fit l'Europe, Hachette, coll. « Pluriel », Paris, 1983 (réimpr. 1997), 490 p. (ISBN 2-01-278851-3)

Christian Settipani, La Préhistoire des Capétiens (Nouvelle histoire généalogique de l'auguste maison de France, vol. 1), éd. Patrick van Kerrebrouck, 1993 (ISBN 2-9501509-3-4)

Foundation for Medieval Genealogy : Carolingian Nobility (Families of Nibelung, Childebrand and Theodoric)

In English:

Theodoen (Teudoin or Thiouin) was Comte d'Autun in the 8th and 9th centuries, and a member of the Guilhemides family. He is the son of Thierry I, Comte d'Autun and Alda, daughter of Charles Martel.

Biography:

Theodoen is cited as the Comte d'Autun in a charter that his brother Guillaume established on 15 December 804 at the foundation of the Abbey of Gellone with two other brothers, Alleaume (or Adalhelm) and Theirry, who is not mentioned in all the charters.

Marriage and Children:

His wife is not known. We know that Theodoen is the father of:

1. Thierry II, Comte d'Autun

2. Perhaps Alba, wife of Warin and mother to Isembart (800-858), who was Comte d'Autun 853-858.

Literary inspiration:

Theodoen is presented in a historical fiction novel "The Dagger and the Poison" ("Le poignard et le poison") by Marc Paillet. As Comte d'Autun in 796, he overwhelmed the people with taxes, collected through his Vicomte Alric and his son, the steward Bodert, who abuse his orders and make a fortune. Many farmers leave their tenure lands and join a rebel named Doremus. Following a dispute with the Bishop Martin over the property of four manses, Charlemagne sends two Missi Dominici (Envoys of the Lord, a sort of Carolingian circuit court judge) Count Childebrand and Saxon abbot Erwin, who eventually restore order among the Autunois and bring to light the guilt of Thiouin (Theodoen), who was forced to cede the county to his son before being tried in front of Charlemagne.

From the French Wikipedia pages of the parents of Thierry d'Autun, Thierry I d'Autun and Aude de France:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Ier_d%27Autun

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aude_de_France

The existence of Thierry is mentioned in 782 (according to Settipani in 1993 and Riche in 1983) and again in 804 (according to Settipani in 1993).

Pierre Riché, Les Carolingiens, une famille qui fit l'Europe, Hachette, coll. « Pluriel », Paris, 1983 (réimpr. 1997), 490 p. (ISBN 2-01-278851-3)

Christian Settipani, La Préhistoire des Capétiens (Nouvelle histoire généalogique de l'auguste maison de France, vol. 1), éd. Patrick van Kerrebrouck, 1993 (ISBN 2-9501509-3-4)