Udo II, count in the Lahngau

• http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA.htm#Gerharddied910 This family, of Frankish origin, established a strong position in Franconia during the reign of Ludwig IV "das Kind" King of the East Franks. They eliminated their closest rivals the Babenberger family in 906. The succession of a member of this family to the German throne was seen as the obvious choice after the death without heirs of King Ludwig IV[159]. As will be seen in the analysis set out below, many of the family relationships in this family are speculative, based on the onomastic theories of Jackman.

UDO, son of GEBHARD Graf im Niederlahngau & his wife ---. Graf im Lahngau. 860/879. m ---. The identity of Udo's wife is not known with certainty. According to Jackman[160], she may have been Judith, daughter of Konrad Graf im Linz- und Argengau. King Arnulf in a charter dated 19 May 891 names "Chonradi…comitis et nepotis nostri"[161]. The speculation is that the relationship may have been through Konrad's mother who, if identified as the daughter of Konrad Graf im Linz- under Argengau, was the niece of King Arnulf's paternal grandmother Queen Hemma. However, an interesting puzzle is highlighted by the charter dated 10 Feb 910 under which "Hludouuicus…rex" confirmed the foundation of St Georg at Limburg-an-der-Lahn at the request of "Chuonrati ducis et fidelis neptis nostri, cuidam Chuonrato…comiti nostro filio Eberhardi in pago Loganahe in suo comitatu"[162]. "Chuonrati ducis et fidelis neptis nostri…" in this document is identified as the future Konrad I King of Germany, and therefore the son of Konrad who is named in the 891 charter. The two documents are therefore consistent in this respect when both are described as "nepotis" of King Arnulf and King Ludwig IV. However, "…cuidam Chuonrato…comiti nostro filio Eberhardi" is identified as Konrad "Kurzbold", son of Eberhard (killed in [902/03]%29 who is identified in other sources (as explained below) as the brother of the senior Konrad who is named in the 891 charter. The problem is that Konrad "Kurzbold" is not identified, either in the 910 charter or in other documentation in which he is named, as "nepos" of either of the Carolingian monarchs. One explanation could be that Konrad and Eberhard were born from different marriages of their father. Udo & his wife had [four possible] children[163], who as shown below are confirmed as brothers in primary sources none of which mentions their parentage:

1. KONRAD ([845/60]-killed in battle near Fritzlar 27 Feb 906, bur Weilburg Martinskirche). m GLISMOD, daughter of --- (-26 Apr 924). Graf Konrad & his wife had [four] children:

a) KONRAD ([875/85]-19 Oct or 23 Dec 918, bur Fulda). m (before 7 Jun 914) as her second husband, KUNIGUNDE, widow of LIUTPOLD Markgraf [Liutpoldinger], sister of Graf ERCHANGER [Ahalolfinger] (bur Kloster Lorsch).
b) EBERHARD (-killed in battle near Andernach 23 Oct 939).
c) OTTO (-after 918).
d) daughter m BURKHARD, son of BURKHARD dux in Thuringia & his wife ---.]

2. EBERHARD (-killed in battle near Bamberg [902/903]). m WILTRUD, daughter of ---. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[225], the wife of Eberhard may have been Wiltrud, daughter of Walacho Eberhard & his wife had three children:

a) KONRAD "Kurzbold" ([885/90]-30 Jun 948, bur Limburg St Georg).
b) GEBHARD (-after 15 Jan 947). m ADELA

i) KONRAD [Kuno] ([915/20]-26 Apr 982). m ---. The name of Konrad's wife is not known. Graf Konrad & his wife had one child:

(a) KONRAD [Kuno] ([940/45]-).

c) EBERHARD (-[944]). m ---. The name of Eberhard's wife is not known. Graf Eberhard & his wife possibly had [four] children

3. GEBHARD (-killed in battle near Augsburg [22] Jun 910). m ---. Duke Gebhard & his wife had two children:

a) UDO ([895/900]-949). m ([915]%29 [CUNIGUNDIS] de Vermandois, daughter of HERIBERT [I] Comte de Vermandois & his wife [Lietgardis] --- ([890/900][302]-after 943). Udo & his wife had three children:

i) GEBHARD ([918/20]-killed in battle 938).
ii) OTTO ([920/25]-).
iii) UDO (-26 Aug 965). Regino records the election as Bishop of Strasbourg in 950 of "Udo filius Udonis comitis"[307]. He was elected Bishop of Strasbourg 13 Aug 950.

b) HERMANN (-10 Dec 949, bur Reichenau Island).

4. RUDOLF (-killed in battle in Thuringia 3 Aug 908).

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Udo of Neustria

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Udo was a ninth-century nobleman of East Francia, a son of Gebhard, Count of Lahngau, and older brother of Berengar I of Neustria. He and his brother were afforded their position in the March of Neustria both by kinship to Adalard the Seneschal and the favour of Charles the Bald.

With his brothers, Berengar and Waldo the Abbot, he took part in the 861 revolt of Carloman of Bavaria, possible his cousin-in-law, against Louis the German. The revolt was crushed and the three brothers fled with their relative Adalard to the court of the West Frankish king, Charles the Bald, who granted them wardship of the march against the Vikings while the march against the Bretons was granted to Robert the Strong.

Charles' patronage of the family provoked the jealousy of the Rorgonids, the most powerful family local to Neustria and then controlling the ducatus Cenomannicus (Maine). In 865, they allied with Saloman of Brittany and attacked the brothers. Charles, to attain peace, took the march back and gave it to Gauzfrid, a Rorgonid.

A charter of 879 mentions Udo and his brothers taking part in the foundation of the college of Gemünden. Evidently, the death of Louis the German in 876 had allowed them to return to the court of Carloman.

He left a son, Conrad, Duke of Thuringia, who was the founder of the Conradine dynasty and father of Conrad I of Germany. A younger son, Rudolf, became Bishop of Würzburg.

[edit] Sources

   * Guillotel, Hubert. "Une autre marche de Neustrie." in Christian Settipani and Katharine S. B. Keats-Rohan, Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval. 2000.

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Udo im Lahngau (830–879)

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Udo im Lahngau (* um 830; † nach 879) war der Sohn des Grafen Gebhard im Lahngau.

Kinder:

   * Eberhard, Graf im Nieder-Lahngau

* Konrad der Ältere, Graf im Ober-Lahngau
* Gebhard II. von Lothringen,
* Rudolf, Bischof von Würzburg
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Gebhard von Lahngau (810-879) had 4 sons:

1. Berthold erzbishof von Trier, 2. Waldo abbot von Trier, 3. Berenger von Hessengau
4. Udo (830-879) von Lahngau m.Judith (daughter of Conrad I (805-866) von Welf).

Udo (830-879) and Judith had 4 sons:

I. Konrad "der ältere" -906 (m. Glismut):

Konrad and Glismut had 4 children: 1. Konrad "der jüngere" (-918) m. Kunigunde (Ahalolfinger), 2. Eberhard von Lahngau (-939) m. perhaps Oda von Sachsen (865-952) and had a son, Udo/Eldo (880-949), 3. Otto von Ruhrgau (-918), 4. dau. m. Buchard

II.Eberhard von Niederlahngau (- 903) m. Wiltrude.

Eberhard and Wiltrude had 5 children: 1. son, 2.Konrad Kurtzbold (- 948), 3.* Gebhard (- 947) m. (Adele) de Vermandois ,4 . Eberhard (- 944) von Maifeld, 5. dau. m. Werner Speyergau (-920)

• Gebhard and Adele had 4 children: 1. Konrad, Küno I ( - 982) m. NN (Judith): had 1 son: 1**. Konrad (perhaps Küno von Öhningen) m. Reginlinde.2. Udo (-982), 3.^^ Heribert (-992) von Kinziggau m Imiza von Mezingoz:, 4.++ Judith von Wetterau (-973) m. Heinrich (Udonen) (-976).
  • Konrad and Reginlinde had 7 children: 1. Liutold, 2. Konrad , 3. *** Hermann II von Schwaben - 1003 m. Geberga, 4. Ita von Öhningen m. Rudolf II von Altdorf, 5. dau. m. Vladimir I Swjatoslawitsch, 6. Judith m. NN Reinfelden, m. Adalbert von Metz, 7. Kunizza (- 1020) m Friderich I von Diessen (- 1027)
    • Hermann and Geberga had 5 children: 1. Mathilde (988-1032) m. Konrad von Kärten,m. Friederich II, m. Esiko, 2. Gisela (990-1043) m. Bruno, m. Ernst I, m. Konrad II (Salier), 3. Berchtold (992-993), 4. Beatrix (-1025) m. Adalbero von Eppenstein, 5. Hermann III (-1012).

^^ Heribert and Imiza had 4 children:

1. ^^^Otto von Hammerstein (Zutpen) (-1036) m. Irmgard von Verdun, 2. Gebhard (- 1016), 3.Irmtrude (- 985) m. Friederick I von Luxemburg, 4. Geberga m. Heinrich von Schweinfurt.

^^^Otto and Irmgard had 2 children: a. Udo (-1034), b. Mathilde m. Ludolf von Brauweiler (Ezzonen).

++Judith and Heinrich had 2 children: a. Eberhard von Lahngau ( - 966), b. Conrad von Lobdengau (- 965)

III. Gebhard (872- 910) (m. Ida van Ezzo)

Gebhard and Ida had 2 children: 1.*^ Udo von Wetterau (- 949) m. NN (Kunigonde) de Vermandois, 2.**** Herman I von Schwaben (- 949) m. Reginlinde von Zürichgau

• *** Herman and Regilinde had 1 child: 1. Ida (- 986) m. Liudolf von Sachsen
• ^Udo and Kunigonde had 2 children: a. Gebhard - 938, b. Udo von Strassburg, bishop ( - 965) (perhaps also c. Heribert, d. Konrad - 997, e. Judith von Stade)

IV. Rudolf (860-908), bishop von Würzburg

Udo of Neustria

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Udo was a ninth-century nobleman of East Francia, a son of Gebhard, Count of Lahngau, and older brother of Berengar I of Neustria. He and his brother were afforded their position in the March of Neustria both by kinship to Adalard the Seneschal and the favour of Charles the Bald.

With his brothers, Berengar and Waldo the Abbot, he took part in the 861 revolt of Carloman of Bavaria, possible his cousin-in-law, against Louis the German. The revolt was crushed and the three brothers fled with their relative Adalard to the court of the West Frankish king, Charles the Bald, who granted them wardship of the march against the Vikings while the march against the Bretons was granted to Robert the Strong.

Charles' patronage of the family provoked the jealousy of the Rorgonids, the most powerful family local to Neustria and then controlling the ducatus Cenomannicus (Maine). In 865, they allied with Saloman of Brittany and attacked the brothers. Charles, to attain peace, took the march back and gave it to Gauzfrid, a Rorgonid.

A charter of 879 mentions Udo and his brothers taking part in the foundation of the college of Gemünden. Evidently, the death of Louis the German in 876 had allowed them to return to the court of Carloman.

He left a son, Conrad, Duke of Thuringia, who was the founder of the Conradine dynasty and father of Conrad I of Germany. A younger son, Rudolf, became Bishop of Würzburg.

[edit]Sources

Guillotel, Hubert. "Une autre marche de Neustrie." in Christian Settipani and Katharine S. B. Keats-Rohan, Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval. 2000.

1. Name: Eudes NIEDER-LAHNGAU
2. Given Name: Eudes
3. Surname: Nieder-Lahngau
4. Sex: M
5. Birth: Bef. 860
6. Death: 879
7. Title: Count of Logenahe
8. Birth: Abt. 835

HintsAncestry Hints for Eudes NIEDER-LAHNGAU

   4 possible matches found on Ancestry.com	Ancestry.com

Father: Gebhard NIEDER-LAHNGAU b: Abt. 835

Mother: ? DE FRIULI b: Abt. 825

Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown

Children

  1. Has Children Gerad II DE METZ b: 875

Marriage 2 ? DE BURGUNDY b: Abt. 862

Children

  1. Has Children Conrad NIEDER-LAHNGAU b: Abt. 879

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA.htm#Udo860879

Following ML, the line of: father, this, and son correspond.

The brothers of this are on the wrong generation, I suggest attacking the son on the right 2007 MP and deleting this rest.

-http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GERMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#Udodied879
b) UDO (-879 or after). The Annales Fuldenses record that the property of "Ernustum" was confiscated at a council in Regensburg in 861, and "Utonem quoque et Berengarium fratres eius, Sigihardum atque Gerolt comites Waldonemque abbatem" were banished as accomplices, specifying that "Uto et Berengarius cum Waldone fratre suo" went to France to "Karolum rege"[101]. The Annales Fuldenses record that "Werinharium quoque, Utonem et Berengarium comites a patre suo depositos" were promised the restoration of their dignities in 866[102].

KONRAD, son of UDO Graf im Lahngau [Konradiner] & his wife Judith [Welf] im Linzgau] ([845/60]-killed in battle near Fritzlar 27 Feb 906, bur Weilburg Martinskirche). Regino names "Chuonradus senior [et] frater eius Gebehardus", specifying that Konrad resided in Hessen at Friedeslar[69]. His birth date range estimated from other estimated birth date ranges of members of the family and the known dates of Konrad's own career. Regino specifies that the dukedom of "Boppo dux Thuringorum" was given to "Chuonrado" in 892 and soon after to "Burchardo comitis"[70].

1. BURKHARD (-killed in battle Thuringia 3 Aug 908). Regino specifies that the dukedom of "Boppo dux Thuringorum" was given to "Chuonrado" in 892 and soon after to "Burchardo comitis"[71]. "Hludowicus…rex" confirmed privileges to Kloster St Gallen by charter dated 24 Jun 903 in which among "fidelium nostrum" was listed "Purchart marchio Thuringionum"[72]. The Annales Alammanici record that "Burchardus dux Turingorum et Rudolfus episcopus Eginoque" were killed by the Hungarians in Saxony in 908[73]. m ---. The name of Burkhard's wife is not known. Burkhard & his wife had two children:

a) BURKHARD . Widukind names "Burghardum quoque Bardonem", specifying "quorum alter gener regis erat", when recording that Duke Heinrich drove them from Thuringia in 913[74]. “Burchardus comes” donated property to Bonn St Cassius, for the souls of “meæ...parentumque meorum atque...fratris mei Kunradi Francorum...regis”, at the request of “Waldolfi prepositi”, by charter dated to [911/18][75]. m ---[in der Wetterau], daughter of KONRAD Graf in der Wetterau [Konradiner] & his wife Glismod ---.
b) BARDO . Widukind names "Burghardum quoque Bardonem" specifying "quorum alter gener regis erat", when recording that Duke Heinrich drove them from Thuringia in 913[76]. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/THURINGIA.htm#BurchardMdauKonrad

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