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Began 18 Jun 2023 (Atorrey52)
Today 1 JAN 2024
BACKGROUND
A growing theory is the parents of This Elizabeth who with Emanuel Harvey, of Bryan County raised their children in Bryan County Georgia may have been Swedish merchants doing business in Charleston. It's interesting that Portuguese is mixed in the mtDNA with the Swedish which could track to a merchant, perhaps from the French West Indies: possibilities being a) St. Barthelemy [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=St.+Barthelemy] France sold island to Sweden in 1784; b) St. Thomas [https://stcroixsource.com/1999/06/26/french-immigrants-saint-barthe...] and c) St. Domingue [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Domingue]
There are 3 Gedmatches of interest: (Wikitree IDs)
- Amanda (Moyer) Torrey: Gedmatch ID# UZ9855520 mtDNA ftDNA# H1-C16239T.
- Paul Sorenson: Gedmatch ID# HE4401353 mtDNA ftDNA ID #: H1-C16239T I found Paul on perfect matches through Mitochondrial comparisons in FamilyTreeDNA. Paul and I had 0 Distance with the gedmatch shown below. According to Famity Tree DNA, this many matches show the connection is no coincidence. Paul's maternal side is interesting since until the 20th Century, all descendants were for Paul from Sweden .
- Claude Thobie: EL7593937 a strong colonial atDNA match with both me and Paul with no paper trail to either Colonial U.S. or Sweden.
It is possible that as there are no direct ancestors as yet on a path, the MCRA that connects the 3 of us could be the Mariner that makes us 1st cousins?
Clues
According to Paul, his family has no knowledge of any interaction between that family nor colonial America; however we will use his most distant ancestor on the maternal lines being Catharina Persdotter https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Persdotter-7748 for clues.
1. I invite an atDNA comparison between Paul Sorensen and Claude Thobie: EL7593937. I've posted my findings as the three of us have important results.
2. atDNA can only reach to mid 18th century, so it is fortunate both Paul and my most distant maternal ancestor are probably the same. With Paul and my atDNA match and our mtDNA distance being 0, we have a high probability of finding our MRCA within the next generation which means that Catharina and Elisabeth could be sisters or more likely 1st cousins.
3. Claude's match adds the probability that the Persdotters were Mariners and Claude's ancestors colonized the French West Indies (Caribbean)
- St. Barthelmy: was sold to Sweden in 1784:
- St. Thomas: French immigrated from St. Barthelmy to St. Thomas (https://stcroixsource.com/1999/06/26/french-immigrants-saint-barthe...)
- St. Domingue: was a French Colony from 1659 to 1804 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Domingue)
AUTOSOMAL COMPARISONS ON GEDMATCH:
NOTE: There is a controversy around using 3.0 cm to compare matches. However this is only a problem when finding a match between just a few cMs. It becomes more relevant when the findings reveal many chromosomes in common as seen below. It's easier when the members are all using Geni and MyHeritage because the validity of small cMs are not in question. They're worked into an algorithm. For Gedmatch we are looking for 6th and 7th Cousins which are found by matching to 3 cMs.
Compare Paul Sorensen and Claude Thobie: https://1drv.ms/x/s!AnAIHvAdv0hdgewi1THa4b-KxjSxnA?e=oXKY3T
Compare Paul Sorensen and AmandaTorrey: https://1drv.ms/x/s!AnAIHvAdv0hdgewalSvTj466J4OPtg?e=fPwd3H
Compare Claude Thobie and Amanda Torrey: https://1drv.ms/x/s!AnAIHvAdv0hdgewk7NmdwQhn3mVOSg?e=O18YBU
13 DEC 2023 ATORREY52 Will Triangulate on Gedmatch in Jan 2024
POTENTIAL RESOURCES
1) ST. BARTHELEMY: https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Saint_Barthelemy_Genealogy#Get...
GENEALOGY RECORDS FOR ST. BARTHELEMY: https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Saint_Barthelemy_Online_Geneal...
2) ST. DOMINIGUE: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/268243775.pdf
COLONIAL MITOCHONDRIAL TRAIL - STARTING FROM ME TRAVELING UP:
1. MOTHER: Grace Rogers (Canaday Moyer)
2. GRANDMOTHER: Alma Groover
3. * GREAT GRANDMOTHER: Margaret Elizabeth Groover
4. * 2ND GREAT GRANDMOTHER: Susan "Katie" (McElveen) Wise
5. 3RD GREAT GRANDMOTHER: Susannah (Harvey) McElveen Burnside Bragg
6. 4TH GREAT GRANDMOTHER: Elizabeth Harvey
* 3. Margaret Elizabeth Groover m. James A. Groover GROOVER PATH TO Saltzburger Settlers in Ebenzer GA [http://www.exulanten.com/ebenlisttwo.html]
* 4. Susan "Katie" (McElveen) Wise married Bridger John Wise WISE PATH TO William "the Conqueror", king of England Please refer to Wises to William the Conqueror
5. SUSANNAH HARVEY MCELVEEN BURNSIDE: https://www.geni.com/projects/From-Patrick-McIlvaine-of-the-House-of-Grimmet-to-Post-Colonial-McElveens/4494057===
As we don't yet know who Elizabeth's family is, we cannot clarify the path between her and her mtDNA. We know she is Susannah McElveen/Burnside/Bragg's mother. Susannah was widowed at least twice, but as I'm following a very specific line for the mtDNA, the focus is on the relevant McElveens.
- AUTOSOMAL
atDNA report on this family is on DNAPainter INDEX under the "Harveys of Bryan County".
DNA Colloborations for Emanuel Harvey and Elizabeth (Unknown) Harvey: Finding the MRCA to PAUL SORENSON
Paul Sorensen Relationship to me
We didn't find any common ancestors within the first 5 Generations in our Tree - however GEDMATCH: Paul: HE4401353 - Amanda: UZ9855520 the result = Largest segment = 5.7 cM Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 72.3cM (2.016 Pct) 19 shared segments found for this comparison.
472013 SNPs used for this comparison. 68.014 Pct SNPs are full identical. I uploaded this result into DNA Painter.
Elizabeth the 6th Generation (Colonial Georgia) being on my mother's branch. His mother's line came from Sweden and immigrated to Illinois by the 3d Generation. ftDNA: Mitochondrial DNA test-takers in the direct maternal line: Family Tree DNA mtDNA Test Full Sequence, haplogroup H1-C16239T, FTDNA kit #B713912
Amanda Torrey
Wikitree ID Moyer-780
Family Tree DNA mtDNA Test Full Sequence, haplogroup H1-C16239T, FTDNA kit #B734779, MitoYDNA ID T14920
Wikitree ID Sorensen-4427
'''Connection to me''' [https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Connection&action=...]
Relationship to me: 14th Cousins with 215 through my maternal grandfather's line [ https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Relationship&actio...] '''
DNA COLLABORATIONS
mtDNA: Mitochondrial DNA. Genetic distance is the term used to describe the number of differences or mutations between two sets of Y-chromosome DNA or mitochondrial DNA test results. A genetic distance of zero means that there are no differences in the two results and there is an exact match. With a distance of 0, there would be a 50% chance Paul and I share a common maternal ancestor within the last 5-16 generations (or about 125-400 years). According to our autosomal matching we have a strong match probably 5th to 9th generations.
1. https://segmentology.org/2020/01/31/in-defense-of-small-segments/
2. my chromosomal mapping on DNA Painter:
SWEDEN IN THE AMERICAN COLONIES
Sweden had a presence in the SouthEastern American Colonial Coast:
"Sweden had to wait 130 years for their next American colony, the island of St Barthélemy in the Caribbean, given by France in return for trading rights in Gothenburg. However, modern scholarship does not consider the intervening period a hiatus, rather ‘Sweden’s interest in the American world continued unabated, as evidenced by several plans to found colonies in the Caribbean or on the South American continent. At the same time, economic ties, both direct and indirect, were growing between Sweden and the Americas’ (Schnakenbourg, p. 229)." [https://blogs.bl.uk/european/2018/08/failing-colonizers-or-failing-...]
See St. Bartholemy in French West Indies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Barth%C3%A9lemy
See https://www.thecaribbeanpet.com/st-barthelemy/
ALSO, see https://digitalcommons.augustana.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=24...
REFERENCE SCANDINAVIAN PROFILES for UNKNOWN ELIZABETH
Eidsberg og indre Smaalenene kjente personer
1. https://www.geni.com/people/Halfdan-Engsbr%C3%A5ten/6000000040378905:181 23 Cousin twice removed. MRCA Urraca de Portugal, reina consorte de León: 23 great grandmother. (Wise) PORTUGUESE
2. Petter Christensen Tolsby: 22nd Cousin 3xs Removed. MRCA Urraca de Portugal, reina consorte de León: 23 great grandmother. (Wise) * PORTUGUESE
3. Hans Kristian Christensen Høie: 21st Cousin 4xs removed. MRCA Urraca de Portugal, reina consorte de León 23 great grandmother. (Wise) * PORTUGUESE
4. Kristoffer Marinius Andersen Fange: 20th Cousin 5xs removed. MRCA Urraca de Portugal, reina consorte de León 23 great grandmother. (Wise)* PORTUGUESE
5. Nils Nilsen Rød: 25th Cousin 2xs removed. MRCA Anna of Kiev, Queen Consort of the Franks 25th Great Grandmother. (Wise) RUSSIAN/NORMAN
6. Johan Andreas Svensen Østensvik: 26 Cousin Once Removed. MRCA Richard III, duke of Normandy 25 Great Grandfather (Wise)
7. Johan Torvald Andersen Fange 20 Cousin: 5 times removed MRCA Urraca de Portugal, reina consorte de León 23 Great Grandmother* (Wise) PORTUGUESE
8. Kristen Halvorsen Gunneng: 22 Cousin 2xs removed. MRCA Kristen Halvorsen Gunneng 25 Grandmother (daughter Adela of Flanders) (Wise) DUTCH
9. Gulbrand Evensen Sukken: 20th Cousin 5xs Removed. MRCA Urraca de Portugal, reina consorte de León 23rd Great grandmother (Wise) PORTUGUESE
10. Anders Jensen Fremmegård: 24th Cousin 3xs Removed. MRCA Anna of Kiev, Queen Consort of the Franks 25th Great Grandmother. (Wise) RUSSIAN/NORMAN
11. Ingvar Henry Bakken: 26th Cousin once removed. MRCA Anna of Kiev, Queen Consort of the Franks 25th Great Grandmother. (Wise) RUSSIAN/NORMAN
- 12. Rolf Slang Haneborg: 23rd Cousin 4xs removed. MRCA David, 8th Earl of Huntingdon: 21st great grandfather (Wise) Prince of Scotland (Wise) SCOTTISH [Also see McElveen House of Grimmet]
13. Brynild Iversen Nysterud 25th Cousin twice removed. MRCA Anna of Kiev, Queen Consort of the Franks 25th Great Grandmother. (Wise) RUSSIAN/NORMAN
- 14. Petter Asbjørn Aarnæs Haneborg: 23rd Cousin thrice removed. MRCA David, 8th Earl of Huntingdon. 21st great grandfather (Wise) Prince of Scotland (Wise) SCOTTISH [Also see McElveen House of Grimmet]
15. Holger Ferslew Sinding: 29th Cousin once removed. MRCA Lutgardis of Luxemburg 27th Great Grandmother (DUTCH/FRENCH)
16. Knut Lie: 26TH Cousin Once removed.MRCA Gertrude of Saxony, Countess of Flanders 25th great grandmother (DUTCH - FLANDERS)
17. Anton Hamil Olsen Asphaug: 22nd Cousin Thrice Removed. MRCA Urraca de Portugal, reina consorte de León 23rd Great grandmother (Wise) PORTUGUESE
18. Jan Garbarek: 29th Cousin twice removed. MRCA Åsta Gudbrandsdóttir, Queen of Norway: 30th Great grandmother (NORWEGIAN)
19. Thea Christiansen Foss: 22nd Cousin thrice removed. MRCA Urraca de Portugal, reina consorte de León (Wise) PORTUGUESE
20. Landgrave Frederick of Hesse-Kassel King of Sweden 11th Cousin 7 times removed MRCA Anne de la Pole 16th Great Grandmother (BRITISH)
BIOGRAPHICAL HISTORY FOR THE CHILDREN of EMANUEL AND ELIZABETH HARVEY
For decades this family was wrongfully listed on unsourced family trees as Richard and Elizabeth Harvey from Albermarle who eventually moved to Georgia and had 10 children. Apparently, the reality is that Elizabeth m. Emanuel Harvey and settled with the following 5 children in Bryan County Georgia.
* Nancy Mary Martin (Will), Mary "Polly" Martin (Probate), m. James Martin. Polly m. James Martin. Notification to Revise Nancy's profile sent 27 Sept. 2023.
- 2. William Harvey (Will & Probate), living in GA in 1852. William Harvey, "still living in the State of Georgia" [William Harvey] (William Harvey m. Nancy) Notification of change to profile sent to Manager of profile on 27 Sept 2023.
* 3. Elizabeth Martha Sheffield (Harvey) intermarried with John Sheffield (died Baker, Florida) . Elizabeth m. Sheffield (Will) m. John Sheffield.
[https://www.geni.com/discussions/272563]
* 4. Rebecca Davis DeVaughn (Will) b. about 1782-83 m. 1st John Walter Davis then 2nd Devaun or DeVaughn)
* 5. Susannah (Harvey) McElveen Burnside Bragg (Susannah McElvene (spelled as on Will), Susan Bragg (Probate).
=TIMELINE=
1817 Jul 2 – Bryan County, GA – William Harvey to William McElveen, for $35, "my part and share of my Fathers Lands, lying and being in the County of Byran on Black Creek on the Savannah Roads, adjoining a tract of Lands containing 200 acres, granted to said William Harvey and I do sell and empower the said William McElveen to act and recover all my right and claim of the said Land which my Mother Elisabeth Harvey is now in possession of and my part of a note of $40 and my part of the account allowed for the keeping of a horse. Signed: William Harvey. Witnesses: Wm. Williams, James Alexander, J.P.
- Superior Court, Byran County, Georgia, Deeds and mortgages, 1796-1922; general index to deeds and mortgages, 1793-1937, Deeds & Mortgages, Deeds & Mortgages, v. E-G 1830-1853; database with images, FamilySearch[https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4K-VSKF-8]
'''1817 Jul 2''' – Bryan County, GA – William Harvey, planter, to Jesse Butler, planter, both of Bryan County, for $75, a 200-acre tract of land, bounded on the southwest by Emanuel Harvey and on all other sides by vacant land at the time of the survey. Wit: Wm. Williams, James Alexander, J.P.
* Superior Court, Bryan County, Georgia, Deeds and mortgages, 1796-1922; general index to deeds and mortgages, 1793-1937, Deeds & Mortgages, v. A-D 1796-1829; database with images, FamilySearch [https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4K-VSKF-8][https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4K-KSQY]
1818 Jul 31 – Bryan County, GA – William McElveen to Jesse Butler, for $35, a fifth part of a tract formerly belonging to Manuel Harvey, which was willed by him to his son William Harvey and sold by him to the said McElveen, bounded on the west by Black Creek and on the south by Jesse Butler. Wit: Josiah Alexander, Thomas Williams.
- Superior Court, Byran County, Georgia, Deeds and mortgages, 1796-1922; general index to deeds and mortgages, 1793-1937, Deeds & Mortgages, v. A-D 1796-1829; database with images, FamilySearch [https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4K-KSMP] [https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4K-KSQY]
Superior Court, Byran County, Georgia, Deeds and mortgages, 1796-1922; general index to deeds and mortgages, 1793-1937, Deeds & Mortgages, v. A-D 1796-1829; database with images, FamilySearch[https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4K-KSMP] [https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4K-KSQY]
1830 - It is possible that Elizabeth could be the 70 to 80 year old female living with Walter Davis in the 1830 census for Jackson County, Florida however, more research is needed.
BURIAL AND PROBATE
Wikitree has definitively shown how the children were badly conflated. They have found two separate Elizabeths who married two separate Harveys being: 1) Richard Harvey and 2) Emanuel Harvey. Emanuel Harvey's Will has surfaced and was found to be the father of the 5 children named in his Will that match Rebecca DeVaughn's probated estate and are the focus in this study.John Timothy Davis, Sr. Esq., Elizabeth's grandson by her daughter Rebecca Davis DeVaughn, was the administrator of the estates of both Elizabeth Harvey and Rebecca Davis DeVaughn, each probated in 1852-1853 in Jackson County, Florida. Elizabeth who is named as his grandmother died in this state about the year 1835. Rebecca Davis DeVaughn who is named as his mother lately died in Calhoun County That at the time of her death her home place of abode was with your petitioner John Timothy Davis, Sr. Esq. in Jackson County.[3][2] John Davis stated that Elizabeth died intestate, and Rebecca died without a Will (intestate). Elizabeth's children are named in WILL FOR EMANUEL HARVEY and the 1852-1853 probate records.
RESEARCH FOR Emanuel Harvey, of Bryan County and Elizabeth Harvey
ARTICLES
1. http://linealarboretum.blogspot.com/search/label/mtDNA: Using a Multidisciplinary Approach to DNA Analysis, Part 1
2. https://segmentology.org/2020/01/31/in-defense-of-small-segments/
3. DNA Painter (Chromosomal Mapping) Gedmatch; MyHeritage
RESEARCH NOTE: RICHARD M. ELIZABETH AND RAISED THE FOLLOWING CHILDREN:
(New evidence shows a Will from "Emanuel Harvey" who also had a wife Elizabeth that named children previously thought to be Richards. In this project, we are collecting atDNA and matching it with the mtDNA to find whether the descendants are all from the same family or are in fact from two different parentages.)
1) John Harvey (John M. Harvey married Mary Ann Alexander and Judith Futch)
2) Hiram Waller (Nancy married Hiram Waller.)
3) Sarah Williams (Sarah died Baker, Florida. She married William Andrew Williams)
4) Richard Harvey, Jr. (Richard Thomas married Cynthia Burnside)
5) Emanuel Harvey (Emanuel married Mahaley)
6) Isaac Harvey (Isaac married Elizabeth Burnside)
NOTIFICATIONS SENT NOTIFYING PROFILES OF PROOF OF CHANGE OF HUSBAND BEING EMANUEL NOT RICHARD
- Notification sent to comments on Profile for Elizabeth Harvey 27 SDept 2023.
- Notification sent to comments on Profile for Richard Harvey, of Bryan County, GA 27 Sept 2023
RESEARCH FOR SPANISH/PORTUGUESE ANCESTORS IN 12TH CENTURY
Alfonso IX, king of Leon and Galicia
RESEARCH FOR 18TH CENTURY SWEDISH/FRENCH OPPORTUNITIES:
NEW SWEDEN: Elizabeth 1750 - New Sweden 1638 - too early?https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/New_Sweden_Genealogy