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Native American descendant connections to the Hudson River NY/NJ area

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SUB PROJECT TO: The Ramapo Mountain People, New Netherland to present

  1. Please add Profiles. Restrict to those whom you consider to be linked by blood and/or marriage to Native Americans
  2. This is a research project: Please do not be hesitant.


As the GENi World Family Tree grows, we are beginning to find connections between families of African heritage, Native Americans, and others who had connections to or may even have lived in and around the Ramapo Mountain area and the lower Hudson Valley of southern New York and northern New Jersey. The big question: Are there any recognized tribes/clans/nations involved? And, if not recognized, what do we see in the record?

All are welcome to add profiles here to aid in any examination of these relationships. Please try to source your profiles as much as possible. We would particularly like to add DNA TESTING information.

Elements & Objectives

  1. Once a profile is added it would be extremely helpful to note a proven tribal connection and as complete a pedigree as possible in the GENi World Family Tree.
  2. In the case that no pedigree is known, add traditional stories directly to the profile (Not here on this project page). Let us try to keep this main page as simple as possible
  3. Note that multiple <Discussions> can be initiated. Go to the Discussions TAB (upper right of this page) and start one on any related topic.

Recent discoveries

The claim in the Federal Gov't's BIA rejection of the Ramapo for tribe status may have gone a little too far. (read:screen capture ) We do see that candidate individuals in the Ramapo area moved north out of Bergen and Orange counties and joined Native Americans on reservations, ones that were subsequently closed down. A "Brothertown" {an Indian tribe, of combined remnant tribes} migration continued west to Wisconsin and Minnesota, Oklahoma, and Washington.

Caveat: Any inclusion of a profile in related Projects does not necessarily confirm Native American heredity. This project serves as a road map for further study.

Although the Ramapo people (aka RMI) may not be a tribe, it is becoming clear that an untold number of 18th century mixed race individuals from the Ramapo area of the NJ/NY border ended up in tribes. The surname DeGroat has been successfully traced. All these connections are just one focus of this project. Surnames such as Van Dunk and De Vries/Defreese are also of special interest.{MMvB/ Oct 2017}

It is useful to periodically choose profiles and run the historylink routine to trace any profile to your own or another.

Two Examples:

  1. Use the url for Flora Dilly found in the associated <Brothertown project>. Flora lived in the 20th century. Make her the root profile to get an ancestral pedigree from history link. Following her female line gives us a promising lead for MtDNA testing, should we later identify any unbroken female line succeeding her.
  2. Or, for yDNA, an example would be to trace Boyd F. DeGroat back through male lines in his ancestry.


  1. Brothertown Indians including their history of being moved from the east to the mid-west
  2. Bureau of Indian Affairs Document
  3. Book: Across the Great Border Fault: The Naturalist Myth in America by Kevin T. Dann ; Rutgers University Press, 294 pages subject: Jackson Whites
  4. Blog - Category Archives: Ramapough Lenapi by a descendant of a Tappan NY slave (2016)
  5. Ramapo chronology
  7. Degroat family compilation
  8. A map of Warwick Valley in 1805 icn_favorite.gif ~• mentions Native American sites; work of Elizabeth C. Van Duzer (1933)
  9. High definition map of early patents