The Troublesome Anglo-Saxons

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Private User
1/20/2010 at 9:01 AM

This Discussion thread is for important information to anyone who gets involved with the Anglo-Saxon lines, where the potential for confusion and error is huge.

If you have nothing to do with the merging of these lines, click "Unfollow" on top of this page.

If you by any chance come across these Anglo-Saxons: please read carefully, and use this thread to discuss difficult issues.

See also: http://wiki.geni.com/index.php/Anglo_Saxon_Kings_Merge

Anglo-Saxons is the term usually used to describe the invading Germanic tribes in the south and east of Great Britain from the early 5th century AD, and their creation of the English nation, to the Norman conquest of 1066.[1] The Benedictine monk, Bede, identified them as the descendants of three Germanic tribes:

* The Angles, who may have come from Angeln, and Bede wrote that their whole nation came to Britain,[3] leaving their former land empty. The name 'England' (Anglo-Saxon 'Engla land' or 'Ængla land' originates from this tribe.[4]
* The Saxons, from Lower Saxony (German: Niedersachsen, Germany)
* The Jutes, from the Jutland peninsula.

Their languages were Old Saxon and Old English (very similar to Old Norse), and if you find it difficult to distinguish between their rather similar-sounding names, please stay away from merging in this line.

Private User
1/20/2010 at 9:14 AM

EDWARD THE ELDER

Edward the Elder was married three times and had a total of 16 or 17 children, five sons and 11 or 12 daughters. At the moment he has over 50 spouses, and some 220 children. I’m trying to clean up this mess, and PLEASE avoid this line – and Anglo-Saxons in general – if you’re not an expert and can tell Anglo-Saxon names from each other.

Most Master Profiles in this area are marked with a huge Warning-photo: http://www.geni.com/photo/view/6000000001040371607?photo_id=6000000...

- which tells you I’m working in the line AND please do not do ANYTHING here unless you’re 100 % sure you’re doing the right thing.

Edward ‘the Elder’ of England: Edward I "the Elder", king of The Anglo-Saxons
Edward I "the Elder", king of The Anglo-Saxons

He had three wives:
A: Ecgwynn, 1st wife, three children: Ecgwynn
Ecgwynn

1. Ælfred Ælfred
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86lfred-of-Wessex/6000000003645985264

2. Æthelstan, King of Wessex Æthelstan 'the Glorious', 1st King of the English
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86thelstan-the-Glorious-of-Wessex/60...

3. Eadgyth, married Sithric, King of York Eadgyth
Eadgyth

B: second wife Ælfflæd Æthelhelmsdottir of Wiltshire, eight (or nine) children: Ælfflæd
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86lffl%C3%A6d-of-Wiltshire-2nd-wife-...

4. Ædfletha of Winchester Ædflæd, Nun at Winchester
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86dfl%C3%A6d/6000000003645985310

5. (?) Æthelfletha of Romsay Æthelflæda, nun at Romsey (might be identical to the one above)
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86thelfl%C3%A6da/6000000003645985315

6. Eadgifu, married Charles III and Herbert Eadgifu
http://www.geni.com/people/%C4%92adgifu-of-Franks-de-Vermandois/600...

7. Ælfweard Ælfweard, king of the English
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86lfweard-of-Wessex/6000000003232558398

8. Eadwine Eadwin
Eadwin

9. Æthelhild of Wilton Æthelhild, Nun at Wilton
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86thelhild-of-England/60000000036459...

10. Eadhild, married Hugues Capet Eadhilde of Wessex
Eadhilde of Wessex

11. Eadgyth, married Otto von Sachsen, Kaiser Eadgyth
Eadgyth

12. Ælfgifu Saint Ælfgifu of Shaftesbury (wrongly assumed married to Boleslaw)
http://www.geni.com/people/%C3%86lfgifu/6000000003645985348

C: Third wife
Eadgifu daughter of Sigehelm, Eadgifu, four children
Eadgifu

13. Edmund the Magnificent Edmund I "the Magnificent", king of The English
Edmund I "the Magnificent", king of The English

14. Eadburgha Saint Eadburh, Nun At Nunnaminster
Saint Eadburh, Nun At Nunnaminster

15. Eadgifu, married Ludwig Thurgau Eadgifu
Eadgifu

16. Eadred Eadred, king of the English
Eadred, king of the English

Private User
1/20/2010 at 9:33 AM

For those who are working in this line, our main online source is the Medieval Lands database, which relies solely on primary sources:
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20&%20Dan...

For those wanting to know more about who the Anglo-Saxons really were, there is an overview and links to further sub-topics here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxons

1/20/2010 at 9:45 AM

King Aethelwulf. Please merge down and correct parents to Egbert and Redburga
Aethelwulf, king of Wessex

Queen Redburga. please merge down and break all parents as her parents are unknown.
Rædburh, queen consort of Wessex

Agatha wife of Edward Ætheling. please merge down and break all parents as her parents are unknown.
1/ Agatha (Dght. of Liudolf&Gertrude) von Braunschweig

Private User
1/20/2010 at 8:45 PM

Anne Marit,

the job you are doing is just great

may I add that anglo-saxon names do have scandinavian equivalent which are sometimes confusing because during middle age individuals had property all around the North See and Channel and that local document tend to refer to them under their local title only

I refer to the Orkney Jarls or the Bruce/Brus and others n addition title and property was sometimes transferred not by the father but the mother as in Scotland

this indeed add to the confusion

Private User
3/2/2019 at 1:16 AM

In 946, the body of a woman was buried in a monastery and later relocated to Magdeburg Cathedral. It was essentially forgotten until 2008 when archaeologists doing work on the building opened the lead-lined stone sarcophagus.

Tests performed in Germany and the UK revealed that the bones, gently wrapped in silk, were indeed those of the person named on the sarcophagus: Eadgyth (or Edith), an Anglo-Saxon princess, and later Queen of the Germans.

Eadgyth was about as royal as they come in British history. Born in Wessex in 910, her father was Edward the Elder, her brother was the first king of a united England – Athelstan – and her grandfather was Alfred the Great
When it came time for her to marry, Aethelstan, now king, sought a political union (as was common only up until recent years in royal marriages) and sent both Eadgyth and her younger sister Eadgifu to Germany to the court of King Henry the Fowler.

His eldest son, Otto, was instructed to choose between the girls – at the time, Eadgyth would have been in her late teens. Otto and Eadgyth married in 930, and he became Otto I, also known as Otto the Great when Henry died in 936. (He also became Holy Roman Emperor in 962.)
Her husband was devoted to her, and they had two children, Liudolf, born in 930, and Liutgarde, born a year later. Descendants of Otto and Eadgyth ruled Germany until 1254 and can be linked to many of the royal families in Europe.

According to the 10th century German canoness and poet Hrotsvit (Hrotsvitha) of Gandersheim, Eadgyth was a woman “of pure noble countenance, graceful character and truly royal appearance.” She was known to be brave, stubborn and capable, and, also according to Hrotsvit, “was so highly regarded in her own country that public opinion unanimously rated her the best woman who existed at that time in England.”

Eadgyth died unexpectedly in 946 at the age of 35. When she died, “the whole of the German nation mourned her with intense grief … a foreign race that she had come to cherish with kindness.”
She was buried initially in the St. Maurice monastery, and then her remains were moved several times before being interred in 1510 in a decorative stone tomb in Magdeburg Cathedral.
As time passed, Eadgyth’s burial site was largely forgotten – it was assumed that the bones had vanished and the tomb bearing her name was empty. However, when German archaeologists opened it in 2008, they were somewhat surprised to find the incomplete remains of a woman, wrapped in a silk cloth.

The worry was that since the remains had been moved at least once, the bones could be of someone other than Eadgyth. Several parts were missing, including hands, feet, and parts of the skull. However, many teeth were still preserved in the upper jaw, and these would prove critical.
Once the research had been completed, Eadgyth was reburied once again — this time in a titanium-lined coffin — in Magdeburg Cathedral in October 2010. Her husband, Otto I, is buried in the same cathedral and a sculpture called The Royal Couple from around 1250 is said to represent them both.

Private User
12/4/2019 at 6:29 AM

In 946, the body of a woman was buried in a monastery and later relocated to Magdeburg Cathedral. It was essentially forgotten until 2008 when archaeologists doing work on the building opened the lead-lined stone sarcophagus.

Tests performed in Germany and the UK revealed that the bones, gently wrapped in silk, were indeed those of the person named on the sarcophagus: Eadgyth (or Edith), an Anglo-Saxon princess, and later Queen of the Germans.

Eadgyth was about as royal as they come in British history. Born in Wessex in 910, her father was Edward the Elder, her brother was the first king of a united England – Athelstan – and her grandfather was Alfred the Great
When it came time for her to marry, Aethelstan, now king, sought a political union (as was common only up until recent years in royal marriages) and sent both Eadgyth and her younger sister Eadgifu to Germany to the court of King Henry the Fowler.

His eldest son, Otto, was instructed to choose between the girls – at the time, Eadgyth would have been in her late teens. Otto and Eadgyth married in 930, and he became Otto I, also known as Otto the Great when Henry died in 936. (He also became Holy Roman Emperor in 962.)
Her husband was devoted to her, and they had two children, Liudolf, born in 930, and Liutgarde, born a year later. Descendants of Otto and Eadgyth ruled Germany until 1254 and can be linked to many of the royal families in Europe.

According to the 10th century German canoness and poet Hrotsvit (Hrotsvitha) of Gandersheim, Eadgyth was a woman “of pure noble countenance, graceful character and truly royal appearance.” She was known to be brave, stubborn and capable, and, also according to Hrotsvit, “was so highly regarded in her own country that public opinion unanimously rated her the best woman who existed at that time in England.”

Eadgyth died unexpectedly in 946 at the age of 35. When she died, “the whole of the German nation mourned her with intense grief … a foreign race that she had come to cherish with kindness.”
She was buried initially in the St. Maurice monastery, and then her remains were moved several times before being interred in 1510 in a decorative stone tomb in Magdeburg Cathedral.
As time passed, Eadgyth’s burial site was largely forgotten – it was assumed that the bones had vanished and the tomb bearing her name was empty. However, when German archaeologists opened it in 2008, they were somewhat surprised to find the incomplete remains of a woman, wrapped in a silk cloth.

The worry was that since the remains had been moved at least once, the bones could be of someone other than Eadgyth. Several parts were missing, including hands, feet, and parts of the skull. However, many teeth were still preserved in the upper jaw, and these would prove critical.
Once the research had been completed, Eadgyth was reburied once again — this time in a titanium-lined coffin — in Magdeburg Cathedral in October 2010. Her husband, Otto I, is buried in the same cathedral and a sculpture called The Royal Couple from around 1250 is said to represent them both.

1/31/2023 at 11:25 AM

Here's one video on Eadgyth's disinterment by archeologists, with a story of her life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFGwA0iRlIE

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