Maud “Matilda” de Verdun

Not the same as Maud Bassett

Biography

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Verdun-37

Maud was the daughter of John de Verdun and Eleanor de Bohun. She married before 1275/6 to John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of WIlton and they had children:[1]

1. Henry, 3rd Lord of Grey of Wilton;
2. Roger, 1st Lord of Grey of Ruthin, married Elizabeth de Hastings;
3. Iseult, married 1st, before 1308, to Urian de Saint Pierre; married 2nd to Sir William Inge;
4. Maud, married John de Moels, 1st Lord Moels.

"In 1291, John de Grey and Maud his wife, and Walter de Lacy and Rose his wife , sued Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding 90 acres of land in Debden, Essex, which Maud and Rose claimed in right of their inheritance as heirs of Humphrey de Verdun their brother. (Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/91, image 808d). Maud de Grey and Rose de Lacy are identified in the lawsuit as the heirs of Humphrey de Verdun their brother. Humphrey de Verdun (born 1267, died 1285) is known to have been the son of Sir John de Verdun (died 1274), by his 2nd wife, Eleanor de Bohun. Surprisingly, this lawsuit reveals another hitherto unknown full sister for Humphrey de Verdun, namely Rose, wife of Walter de Lacy."[2]

Comments

According to Magna Carta Ancestry (2011), John married Maud Verdun sometime before c. 1275/6.[1] Traditionally, however, antiquarians asserted that John married twice to: Anne, sis. of William Ferrers, 1st Baron Ferrers of Groby. and Maud, dau. of Ralph Bassett, Baron Bassett. Example: The visitation of the County of Leicester image

The more current interpretation is that John de Grey married once only, to Maud de Verdun.

Research Notes

The following is confirmed in Magna Carta Ancestry, 2d ed., Vol. 4, p.242:

Douglas Richardson, in January 2002, provided evidence that John's wife in 1277 was called Maud, and suggested that she was the daughter of John de Verdun (d. 1274), by his second wife Eleanor, who was apparently a Bohun [citing Essex Feet of Fines, vol. 2, p. 13, a fine by which Eleanor settled lands in Debden, Essex, on John and Maud, in Trinity Term, 5 Edward I]. He also pointed out that Blore [History and Antiquities of the County of Rutland, pp. 164, 165 (1811)] identifies a wife of John de Grey as "Matilda, daughter of John de Verdun".

The evidence suggests further that Maud was the mother of John's sons Henry and Roger (who later disputed the manor of Weldebernes, in Debden [citing Index of Placita de Banco, 1327-1328, part 1, p. 143 (P.R.O. Lists and Indexes, no 32)]) and his daughter Joan (whose daughter Margaret was found to be related in the fourth degree to her husband John de Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Essex (died 1335/6) [citing Calendar of Papal Letters, vol. 2, p. 349]).

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The following is found in Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol I page xxiii

New research indicates that Eleanor left a daughter, Maud de Verdun, wife of John de Grey, ancestors of the later Lords Grey of Ruthin and Wilton.

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http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/p_verdun.shtml

Douglas Richardson, in January 2002, provided further confirmation of the Bohun connection - after John de Verdun's death, Eleanor, in 1277, conveyed lands in Debden to John de Grey and Maud his wife [citing Feet of Fines for Essex, vol. 2, p. 13 (1913-1928)]. He also suggested that Maud, the wife of John de Grey, was Eleanor's daughter, and that if so, this would explain the consanguinity between two couples later said to be related in the 4th degree of kindred - (i) John de Bohun, earl of Hereford (d. 1335/6) and his wife Margaret Basset (a granddaughter of John de Grey) and (ii) John de Lisle, Lord Lisle (d. 1355) and his wife Maud de Grey (another granddaughter of John). If this explanation is correct, it suggests that Eleanor was the daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, earl of Hereford (d. 1275), rather than his son Humphrey (d. 1265), because if she were daughter of the latter the second couple would be related in the 4th and 5th degrees.

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• NEWER ENTRY
• Matilda de Verdun1
• F, #42687
• Last Edited=27 Mar 2010
• Matilda de Verdun was the daughter of John de Verdun and Eleanor Bohun.1 She married John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey (of Wilton), son of Sir Reynold de Grey, 1st Lord Grey (of Wilton) and Maud de Longchamp.2
• Her married name became de Grey.2 She was also known as Maud Basset.2
• Children of Matilda de Verdun and John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey (of Wilton)
  • 1.Sir Roger de Grey, 1st Lord Grey (of Ruthin)+3 d. 6 Mar 1352/53
  • 2.Joan de Grey+2 d. b 5 Apr 1353
  • 3.Henry de Grey, 3rd Lord Grey (of Wilton)+1 b. 28 Oct 1281, d. 10 Dec 1342
• Citations
• 1.[S62] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry (Baltimore, Maryland, U.S.A.: Genealogical Publishing Co, 2005), page 889. Hereinafter cited as Magna Carta Ancestry.
• 2.[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume VI, page 174. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
• 3.[S37] BP2003 See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
• From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p4269.htm#i42687 _________________________________________
• John Grey, 2nd Baron Grey de Wilton (died 28 October 1323) was the son of Reginald de Grey, 1st Baron Grey de Wilton and his wife Maud daughter and heir of William, Baron FitzHugh.
• His first office was as vice-justice of Chester from 1296 to 1297.[1]
• He participated in the siege and capture of Caerlaverock Castle in July 1300. During the siege the English heralds composed a roll of arms, the Roll of Caerlaverock, in the form of verses of poetry, each describing the feats of valour of each noble and knight present, with a blazon of his armorials. Grey's arms are recorded as BARREE silver at the Asur entaillie o bende red engreellie.[2]
• He was summoned to Parliament from 1309 to 1322. His first parliamentary appointment was that of Lord Ordainer in 1310, and was followed by an appointment as Justice of North Wales in c.1316 and Governor of Caernarfon Castle.[3] He was relieved of his constabulatory responsibilities the following year and called to raise troops in response to the insurrection led by Llywelyn Bren.
• He served as Conservator of the peace for Bedfordshire in 1320.
• In 1322, he was commanded to raise troops in Wales and join the royal muster at Coventry. He died the following year.
• He married
• 1.Anne sister of William Ferrers, 1st Baron Ferrers of Groby, by whom he had a son Henry Grey, 3rd Baron Grey de Wilton.
• 2.Maud daughter of Ralph Bassett, Baron Bassett, by whom he had a son Roger, who was summoned to Parliament in 1324.
• From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Grey,_2nd_Baron_Grey_de_Wilton ______________________
• John De GREY (2° B. Grey of Wilton)
• Born: 1258/60, Ruthyn, Denbigh
• Died: 28 Oct 1323
• Father: Reginald De GREY (1° B. Grey of Wilton)
• Mother: Maud FITZHUGH / Maud de LONGCHAMP
• Married 1: Anne De FERRERS (B. Grey of Wilton) ABT 1285, Groby, Leicestershire, England
• Children:
  • 1. Joan De GREY (B. Bassett)
  • 2. Henry De GREY (3° B. Grey of Wilton)
• Married 2: Maud BASSETT (B. Grey of Wilton) ABT 1289, Drayton, Staffordshire, England
• Children:
  • 3. Roger De GREY (1° B. Grey of Ruthin)
  • 4. Maud De GREY
  • 3. Henry De GREY (b. 1294 - d. ABT 1353)
• From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/GREY2.htm#John De GREY (2° B. Grey of Wilton) ______________________
• Roger Grey, 1st Baron Grey de Ruthyn (c. 1298 – 6 March 1353) was summoned to parliament in 1324. He saw much service as a soldier.
• He was the son of John Grey, 2nd Baron Grey de Wilton, by his second marriage, to Maud Bassett, a daughter of Ralph Bassett, 1st Baron Bassett. He married Elizabeth daughter of John Hastings, 1st Baron Hastings of Bergavenny, by whom he had a son who succeeded as Reginald Grey, 2nd Baron Grey de Ruthyn.
• From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Grey,_1st_Baron_Grey_de_Ruthyn _________________________
• 'Grey02'
• Reginald de Grey, 1st Lord of Wilton (Herefordshire) (d 1308)
• BE1883 identifies Reginald's wife as Maud, dau of William, Lord FitzHugh by Hawys, dau of Hugh de Longchamp, but TCP identifies her as ...
• m. Maud de Longchamp (d before 21.11.1302, dau/heir of Sir Henry de Longchamp of Wilton)
  • 1. John de Grey, 2nd Lord of Wilton, Governor of Caernarvon (d 28.10.1323)
  • m1. Anne Ferrers (dau of William de Ferrers of Groby)
    • A. Henry de Grey, 3rd Lord of Wilton (b 28.10.1281-2, d 10/6.12.1342)
    • m. Anne Rockley (dau of Ralph de Rockley by Isabel, dau of William de Clare)
      • i. .... etc.
    • B. Joan de Grey (d 1353) apparently of this generation
    • m. Ralph Basset, Lord of Drayton (d 25.02.1343)
  • m2. Maud Basset (dau of Ralph Basset, Lord of Drayton)
    • C. Roger de Grey, 1st Lord of Ruthyn (d 06.03.1352-3)
    • m. Elizabeth Hastings (dau of John Hastings, Lord of Bergavenny)
      • i. .... etc.
  • 2. Joane de Grey
  • Joan is shown by BE1883 as wife of Ralph Basset, Lord of Drayton. We follow TCP in showing such a Joan as of a later generation.
• Main source(s): TCP (Grey of Wilton or of Shirland), BE1883 (Grey of Wilton), BP1934 (Grey de Ruthyn), TCP (Grey of Ruthin)
• From: Stirnet.com
• http://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/gg/grey02.php ______________________

References

• https://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I423&tree=P...
• http://www.penrose.org/getperson.php?personID=I14232&tree=penrose
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Verdun-37 cites
• Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 2nd Ed., Vol. IV, p. 341-343, WILTON.
• 6 Oct 2019 post of Douglas Richardson on SGM Google group: https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/OEdGdK1nwmY/m/...
• Royal Ancestry. Douglas Richardson Vol. V p. 368
• https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p609.htm#... “ Maud de Verdun was born circa 1258 at of Alton, Staffordshire, England.2 She married Sir John de Grey, 2nd Baron Grey of Wilton, Justiciar of North Wales, son of Sir Reginald de Grey, 1st Lord Grey of Wilton and Maud de Longchamp, before 1275; They had 2 sons (Sir Henry, 3rd Lord Grey of Wilton; & Sir Roger, 1st Lord Grey of Ruthin) and 3 daughters (Iseult, wife of Urian de St. Pierre, & of Sir William Inge; Maud, wife of John, 1st Lord Moels; & Joan, wife of Sir Ralph, 2nd Lord Basset of Drayton).9,3,4,5 Maud de Verdun died after 1293.3,5”
• https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#_T... JOHN de Verdun, son of THEOBALD Butler [Le Botiller] & his second wife Rohese de Verdun of Alton, Staffordshire ([1226]-before 17 Oct 1274). He adopted his mother’s family name Verdun. ... m secondly (before 1267) ELEANOR, daughter of --- (-after 10 Jun 1278). The Complete Peerage indicates that “a seal, said to be hers, bears the Bohun and Verdun arms”, suggesting that she “may have been a Bohun” and adding that “the name of her son Humphrey may be significant”[270]. CP XII/2 248, footnote (f) citing “Staffs. Hist. Coll., William Salt Arch. Soc., 1913, p. 298” [not yet consulted].
• https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3D-K.htm#_T... JOHN de Grey of Wilton, son of REYNOLD de Grey Lord Grey (of Wilton) & his wife Matilda de Longchamp ([1267/68]-28 Oct 1323). Lord Grey (of Wilton). m firstly [ANNE de Ferrers, ... m secondly MAUD, daughter of [RALPH Basset of Drayton, Staffordshire & his wife Margaret de Somery]. The Complete Peerage states that John Lord Grey of Wilton married secondly “Maud, who is said to have been da. of Ralph Basset of Drayton by Margaret...de Somery” but does not provide the basis for this speculation[510]. CP VI 174
• Reference: Ancestry Genealogy - SmartCopy: Jun 1 2018, 1:46:08 UTC
• https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00397889&tree=LEO

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Maud de Verdun Grey
BIRTH unknown
England
DEATH unknown
England
BURIAL
Burial Details Unknown
MEMORIAL ID 177676713

See Richardsons Magna Carta Ancestry (Wilton-4) for Maud's family history. She was great granddaughter of Henry de Bohun, a signatory of the Magna Carta.

Maud de Verdun and John de Grey married before 1276.

Before 2002 John's wife was generally thought to be Maud Bassett but Douglas Richardson found through his research into property transfer and dispute records, and marriage records of the time that Maud de Verdun, the daughter of Eleanor (de Bohun) Verdun was most certainly the wife of this John de Grey. Corrections were made to the Complete Peerage: Volume 6: Grey of Wilton, following the evidence submitted by Douglas Richardson in 2002 regarding facts he brought to light through his study of documentary evidence from over 700 years before. Isn't that an interesting genealogy story!

Family Members
Parents
John de Verdun
1223–1274
Eleanor de Bohun Verdun
1241 – unknown

Spouse
John de Grey
unknown–1323 (m. 1276)