"Olde" Robert Selfe, Sr., of Virginia

Robert SELFE was born about 1637 in Melksham, Wiltshire, England. He died 1716 in Westmoreland County, Virginia.

"Robert Selfe was known as "Olde Robert Selfe". He was a wealthy man who paid the passage for six unrelated people from England to Virginia. "See source.

Robert married (1) Mary (1) before 1667. Mary was born in England. She died after 1661 in Northumberland County, Virginia.

Robert also married (2) Jane (2) about 1667 in Westmoreland County, Virginia. Jane was born 1643 in England.

Jane and Robert Self had the following children:

• + 2 M i Francis SELF was born about 1668 and died 1734. [Strongly disputed as child]
• + 3 M ii John SELF was born before 1671 and died about 1732.
• + 4 M iii Stephen SELF was born before 1673 and died about 1731.
• 5 M iv Christian SELF was born about 1674.
• + 6 M v William SELF was born after 1677 and died 1760.
• 7 M vi Robert SELF was born before 1688.

References

• http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~eastozarka/self/selg01.htm
• http://bradleyrymph.com/fam-grp-sht_selfe-robert_jane.pdf cites
• 1 Seawolf-Self, Tim, and Peck, Barbara A., Family Record Online: The Self Family in the United States (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~selffam/record/index.htm, , 1999-2011).
• 2 Wright, Holly G., and Wright, F. Edward, "The Robert Self Family." in Colonial Families of the Northern Neck of Virginia. Vol. 2 (Lewes, DE, Colonial Roots, 2006).
• 3 Fothergill, Augusta B., Wills of Westmoreland County, Virginia, 1654-1800 (Richmond, VA, Appeals Press, 1925).
• 4 "Westmoreland County, Virginia Wills, 1654-1800." Database. Ancestry.com (Provo, UT, Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2000). Original data: Lineages, Inc., comp.. Westmoreland County, Virginia Wills, 1654-1800. Records transcribed from LDS Family History Library microfilm copies of wills for this locality.
• 5 findagrave.com, http://www.findagrave.com.
• 6 Personal visit, Westmoreland County, Virginia (February 18, 2012).
• 7 West, Edmund, comp., "Family Data Collection - Individual Records." Database
• (Provo, UT, Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2000).
• 8 West, Edmund, comp., "Family Data Collection - Births." Database (Provo, UT,
• Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2001).
• 9 "Virginia, Marriages of the Northern Neck of Virginia, 1649-1800." Database.
• Ancestry.com (Provo, UT, Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2012). original data: Heeadley, Robert K. Married Well and Often: Marriages of the Northern Neck of Virginia, 1649-1800. Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2003
• 10 West, Edmund, comp., "Family Data Collection - Deaths." Database (Provo, UT, Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2001).

Supporting data

Note that the information in Wikipedia does not entirely match the Self Family Association data.

• from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_(surname)_

Most researchers believe that "Olde" Robert Selfe was the ancestor of most of the Self family in America. Arriving in Virginia in the middle 1600s, Robert Selfe appears to have been christened Roboham Selfe, son of Robert Selfe, and grandson of Walter Selfe of Cripplegate, London, England. The family name was prominent in the Wiltshire area and appears to have been associated with many of the Quaker (Society of Friends) movement there.

"Olde" Robert Self had two wives whose first names are known, but whose last names are speculative. These women are Jane Bean (c. 1635 – 1670) and Mary Antsy, the second wife (c. 1643 – 1713). There are a number of sons, among them Stephen, Francis, Robert Jr, Christian, William and John. (Curator comment: please see http://selffamilynewsletter.tripod.com/memorial.html for more accurate information).

From http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jbturner&...

(curator comment: there is no evidence to support his knighthood) Name: Robert SELFE , Knight Surname: SELFE Given Name: Robert Suffix: , Knight Sex: M Birth: ABT 1637 in Melksham,Wiltshire,England Death: 1716/1717 in Westmoreland Co.,VA

_UID: 5BB265182C572E468432C1E37BF90222735B

Note:

• He was a 6th great-grandfather of Sen. Zell Miller.

WILL OF ROBERT SELFE (Transcribed by Barbara Peck) - PRINTED VERBATIM:

In the Name of God Amen. I Robert Self of the County of Westmorland being sick & weak of body but of sound & perfect mind & memory praise be to god for the same do think fitt & convenient to make & ordain this my last will & Testament in manner & form as followeth = Impe I give & bequeath my land whereon my son Stephen Self liveth being the remainder of my patten being about eighty acres or thereabouts unto my Grand son Walter Self to him and his heires forever also I give my duch chest to my son John Self after the death of my wife. Item I give & bequeath all the rest of my estate of what quality or quantity soever unto my well beloved wife Jane makeing & ordaining her my whole & Sole Extx of this my last will & Testament makeing null void & of none efect all other wills heretofore by me made owning & declaring this to be my last will & Testament. As Witness my hand & seal this 18th day of June 1716--Robert Self, mar [seal] signed & sealed & delivered in the presence. Thomas Beal Thomas Marchant mar, Jas. Thomas. _

At a court held for the sd County the 27 day of March 1717--The last Will & Testamt of Robert Self decd. was presented into Court by Jane Self, his Extx who made oath thereto and being proved by the Oaths of Thomas Beal & Thomas Marchant two of the Wittnesses thereto is admitt to Record and upon mocon of the said Jane and her performing what is usual in such cases certificate is granted her for obtaining a probate thereof, in due form.

(SOURCE: Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of Westmoreland Co., VA).

SPEECH MADE BY DANIEL McCARTHY ON APRIL 24, 2004:

(In dedication of the Sir Robert Selfe Memorial in Hague, VA.):

"Our Robert Selfe was the ancestor of numerous Self-named descendants who served in the military, bringing us the freedoms we enjoy and take for granted today:

-- 2 soldiers of the French and Indian War

-- a dozen plus soldiers in the Revolutionary War

--20 more soldiers of the War of 1812

-- 96 Union soldiers and 390 Confederate soldiers of the Civil War

-- Plus soldiers of the Wars that have followed.

_One descendant [James C. Self] became the richest and most philanthropic man in the Carolinas. And another [Carl Albert] with a Self grandmother became Vice President of the United States. But, the real pride and backbone of the Self family - yesterday and today - are the doctors, lawyers, teachers, preachers, farmers, homebuilders - yes, even log homebuilders - pioneers all - who settled throughout this country, worked hard and built families. You don't have to look back as far as 350 years to see your own direct Self ancestor and the contributions he or she made to your life."

ROBERT SELFE _Born about 1637 in Melksham, Wiltshire, England. Died 1716 in Westmoreland Co., VA. He was known as "Olde Robert Selfe." He was a wealthy man who paid the passage for six unrelated people from England to Virginia. He m. (1) Mary (Unknown), b. probably in Wiltshire, England and d. after 1661 in Northumberland Co., VA; (2) probably about 1667 in Westmoreland Co., VA, Jane (Unknown), b. about 1643 in England.

CHILDREN BY SECOND WIFE:

Francis, b. about 1668, d. 1734

John, b. before 1671, d. about 1732

Stephen, b. before 1673, d. 1731

Christian, b. about 1674

William, b. after 1677, d. 1760

Robert, b. before 1688

WILL OF ISAACK SELFE FROM MELKSHAM, Dated 18 February, 1639:

Source: Public Records Office, England: Extract of Names and Relationships.

Proved 9 Mar 1639 or 1640 in Melksham, Wiltshire, England

WILL OF: Isaacke Selfe the Younger of Beanacre, Wiltshire, England

Sons: None named.

Daughters: Anne, Judith, Hannah

Other names: Father-in-law Richard Goddard; brother-in-law Robert Forman: (Unknown whether he married Isaac?s sister Grace Selfe, or if was a brother of Isaac?s wife.)

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Roberts name was actually Robert Selfe, He was born about 1637 in London, England. He Died in 1716 in Westmoreland County VA. Known as "Olde Robert Selfe" He was a wealthy man who paid the passage for six unrelated people from England to Virginia. Me married his first wife "Mary" probably in Wiltshire, England and she died sometime after 1661 In Northumberland County Virginia. Me married his second wife Jane Bean probably about 1667 in WestmoreLand County, Virginia

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Note that the information in Wikipedia does not entirely match the Self Family Association data.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_(surname) Most researchers believe that "Olde" Robert Selfe was the ancestor of most of the Self family in America. Arriving in Virginia in the middle 1600s, Robert Selfe appears to have been christened Roboham Selfe, son of Robert Selfe, and grandson of Walter Selfe of Cripplegate, London, England. The family name was prominent in the Wiltshire area and appears to have been associated with many of the Quaker (Society of Friends) movement there.

"Olde" Robert Self had two wives whose first names are known, but whose last names are speculative. These women are Jane Bean (c. 1635 – 1670) and Mary Antsy, the second wife (c. 1643 – 1713). There are a number of sons, among them Stephen, Francis, Robert Jr, Christian, William and John. (Curator comment: please see http://selffamilynewsletter.tripod.com/memorial.html for more accurate information).

From http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jbturner&... (curator comment: there is no evidence to support his knighthood) Name: Robert SELFE , Knight Surname: SELFE Given Name: Robert Suffix: , Knight Sex: M Birth: ABT 1637 in Melksham,Wiltshire,England Death: 1716/1717 in Westmoreland Co.,VA

_UID: 5BB265182C572E468432C1E37BF90222735B

Note contradictions in links 1 and 2.

"Olde" Robert Self had two wives whose first names are known, but whose last names are speculative. These women are Jane Bean (c. 1635 – 1670) and Mary Antsy, the second wife (c. 1643 – 1713). There are a number of sons, among them Stephen, Francis, Robert Jr, Christian, William and John. (1) Robert Selfe was born about 1630 (1655 first record or thereabouts - 25 years), we assume, in England. We believe he was first married to a Mary ______(), and secondly to Jane _______, born 1643(). Our first record of him in America is in 1665, the date of the patent of his 300 acres. With his death coming in 1717. (2) [Curator's note: the 4 known children date from second wife Jane.] 1661 October 21. Mary SELFE, the Wife of Robert SELFE [Sr], being arrested to this Court at t he suit of a man, he not appearing to persecute his suit; It is therefore ordered that ye sai d Man bee nonsuited & shall forthwith pay 50 lbs of tobacco to the said. Robert SELFE. (3)

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• Updated from WikiTree Genealogy via son John Self by SmartCopy: Feb 1 2015, 10:56:34 UTC