John Hobbs family - MD & KY

Jill can you provide a link to the profile(s) in Geni? Are there unresolved data or tree conflicts that could suggest a generational Mis merge? Are you able to view revision history? I find it easiest to look though revisions from the "about" - then facts - then "compare."

Hi Erica,
I can look at the revision history. But in this case it's not helping me, but that might be because I've been looking at this too long.

Here is John Hobbs, 1660 - 1731: John W. Hobbs Sr.
John Hobbs II 1712 - 1768
John S. Hobbs, II
John Hobbs 1734 - 1799
John Hobbs, III

I will start with the main question, If you go to the first link I provided above, and click on Joshua and Joseph Hobbs....link you will see a chart, on the chart it reads:

Ho11 y Hobbs b about 1650 ? possibly John b 26 Sep 1658

Now this person listed as "possibly John" reads to me as a separate person from the person described in the box below:

Ho10 John Hobbs b about 1680 in probably England, d 1731

My issue is that either I'm just simply confused with all the John's, their wives and children OR we (as in the various managers/ancestors of all these John's) have blended two of these John's together.

At one time, John's wife Susannah Susannah Sugers Hobbs was believed to have been married to William Powell but from what I've read that would be untrue. So I'd like to delete the Powell w/in her name. From Robert Moore "his will he refers to Susannah's children that she had in her "inlopement by a certain William Powell." "Susannah was not a widow of William Powell" There is a long explanation w/in the write-up by Moore.

How do these type of revisions work? The above one of deleting a name, seems easy enough. I'd imagine I'd notify the manager(s), show the evidence.

When it comes to more major changes like dates, children, wives, etc it seems like more of a consensus/permission from several would be a good thing.

Thanks for your help!
Jill

You've identified such an interesting problem and come up with good sources, so I'd like to work with you to build this family out to MPs.

I started from "bottom up" - John Hobbs ll. His dates look OK but I'm still unclear on the wives.

Susannah, his mother, is I believe best named as Hobbs in the last name field, birth surname blank, and Powell in the "also known as" - unless we can find out if she actually married William Powell eventually?

John Hobbs l has bad dates in the profile, so it may be as simple as just conforming that data to sources - if you'd like to do the honors?

Are his parents known or unknown?

Just in case I'm not clear enough - I believe "Ho10 John Hobbs b about 1680 in probably England, d 1731" is the one married Susannah, father of John Hobbs ll, the profile in Geni John W. Hobbs Sr.

I'd love for others to join us into looking into this, including adding documents and fleshing out biographical details.

Yes, I'd love to work with you on this!

For the first Hobbs listed in the Hobbs Pedigree file, Ho11, what does the y stand for where it reads "y Hobbs". Am I right to assume this is a generation back that we didn't kow about. Is that correct?

The thing is, we don't have a John in the tree that was born even close to 1680.....so I am going back and forth trying to figure out whether the 8 in 1680 was supposed to be a 5 or a 6. Then I see a John Hobbs b. 1751 Unknown Profile, but another born in 1734 John Hobbs, III. I haven't come across any info on a John b. 1751, which confuses me, where this came from. From Robert Moore's document: " It may be assumed that John Hobbs, the son of the above John, was married by 1733, since the supposed family Bible (location not known) says that his son, a third John Hobbs, was born in Sept. 1734. The second John Hobbs had a wife Elizabeth when, on 4 Oct. 1736,"

Beyond figuring out when each of the John's was born and died; I'm also looking at the wives and children. There are questions about John's (1712-1768) wife Elizabeth: Elizabeth Dorsey Hobbs
Robert Moore questioned if John had one or two wives by the name Elizabeth, but was wondering about her last name and lineage.

"Although it is very questionable whether Elizabeth Hammond, b. 17 Aug. 1725 (parish register of St. Margaret's Westminster, Anne Arundel Co.), daughter of Thomas John Hammond (and Ann Cockey, whom he m. 28 June 1721), was a wife of the John Hobbs who died in 1768, we do know that John's wife was named Elizabeth and that a John Hobbs was a representative of Thomas John Hammond when his estate was being administered, so it would be interesting to investigate this family at least from the point of view of observing associates of the Hobbs family. "

Then the kids need to be sorted out. Right now there are kids listed under several different sets of parents, creating a web of criss-crossing lines, with several multiple profiles.

thanks again!
Jill

I think there could possibly be a missing generation of John Hobbs. But I can't find enough information to tell which generation is missing.

Susannah Powell Hobbs ( just for ID purposes here) needs to keep Powell with her name- also know as would be a good place, I believe. I don't think she was ever married to Powell legally, but may have gone by his name.

Why not work bottom up straightening out the kids? That may help clarify where any gaps are.

From what I can find Robert Moore's write up seems to be the best source of info. He seems to have stated the facts, but also noted where things are iffy. So I'll start with his work, and use other sources to fill in blanks.

My big question is, how do I handle changing profiles, how do I notify the dozens of managers of changes?

I'm sure there will be lots of differing opinions on marriages, parents of childrent, etc.

I think discussions on the profiles are fine for the multiple manager / further back in time profiles. Tammy Swingle is a manager on many of them and we already have her attention - and she can "curate" as well to validate changes.

Be sure and source. You can for instance upload a document and use that as "cited sources" for multiple profiles. There are good FAQ on this (with diagrams) - let me know if you need a link. I agree with your evaluation of the compilers work, it looks detailed and careful, so we want to sure to properly credit as well.

I don't have copies of the documents. But I've started to copy and paste quotes from Moore, and giving him credit.

What's your suggestion about notifying managers? I was working on some profiles earlier today, and have already gotten permission for anything he manages in the Hobbs line. So that makes those profiles easy to start with. I just don't want to step on toes.

I was hoping by starting a discussion, others working on this family would see it and add their two cents about the profiles/people and the idea of them being editted.

Erica when you say a "discussion on a profile" do you mean, like if I were going to make a big change to a profile, I'd start a discussion under that profile? Would that notify the manager(s) of the questions and edits to come?

Why do some profiles only have two tabs? Like this one: Christian Brittingham Aydelott Hobbs
she only has "Basics" and "About", but not the others like about work, or relationships, etc.

Yes, it should - If they are "following" the profile. For profiles created after a certain date that follow is automatic. Many times we go back and follow profiles of interest.

As some general guidelines - the nearer to current times and the fewer managers on a profile, the more care to be taken to ensure managers are directly notified. After all I care much more about getting my 2nd gg "right" than my 8th, where am I reliant on the work of others anyway, and where the "descendent pool" is into the thousands.

Christian Brittingham Aydelott Hobbs

I see all the tabs -interesting! And that brings to another point. You will see the "added by" person and the "managed by" person are different. That indicates the original profile creator is not an active Geni user, and the manager is kindly looking after the profile precisely so a descendant like you can work with the tree. So once you have one permission from him on this group, you are good to go - even though he is the "only manager.".

You might sent to send that manager a collaboration request and see if that makes a difference in your view. Tell him I see all the tabs.

I've been in touch with Martin Severin Eriksen and he had explained why he wad the manager of the profiles. I'm wondering if it would be possible to add me on as manager to the Hobbs profiles that he is also managing. That way there is someone who is working on the profiles as manager as well.

And for anyone who is interested I'm working on correcting and updating the profiles for Joshua Hobbs' children. Which reminds me, Erica as a curator, can you do anything about private profiles that are managed by members that are no longer active? In the past I've contacted geni about it, and gotten no response.

Hi Jill

Yes, it's a good idea to "request management" for this line where there's only one manager. Upper right hand corner, Actions menu, Manager options, request management. That will generate a request to Martin and be very easy for him.

On private profiles it depends on when you are talking about. If you're not getting a response from the manager, and it's "near time" (say 1850 or later) there is likely closer family on Geni. If it's a private profile before then it's worth a curator checking to see if it's a "zombie" - mistakenly set to private (we have a tool and a discussion for that). Similarly curators can check "last online" to help you determine if you should report the profile as "abandoned" (again, a menu option under Actions, Report).

John Hobbs (died 1768) and Elizabeth Hammond's (died 1784) three sons (Nicholas, Greenberry, and Charles) were all born in Maryland (either Anne Arundel County or Frederick County) after they married sometime around 1745 in Annapolis, MD.