Elizabeth de Crecy - Timeline and offspring

Looks as though somebody fixed her dates, but other problems remain. According to MedLands, Thibaut and (Elizabeth - Cawley says her name is not known) are only documented to have had one surviving child, Guy. Milo was Guy's son, not Thibaut's - Thibaut was his *grandfather*.

Guy married Hodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté, and their children were:
Milo I de Bray
Guy II "le Rouge"
Melisende (l'ainée) m. Hugues de Rethel
Alix
Melisende "Caravecina" m. Pons de Traînel
Isabelle
Hodierne

There are two unexplained Montlhéry relatives:

Milon de Montlhéry (d. after 1034), who had a son Hugues (d. after 1074)
Dreux de Montlhéry (d. after 1034), possibly a brother of Milo, as they co-witnessed the same charter in 1034.

The dating suggests that they were not sons of Thibaut, but they may possibly have been his brothers (or same-generation cousins).

Milo de Bray had 10 children, but none of them was a daughter Eustachie.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PARIS%20REGION%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc4...

Interesting. If MedLands has no name, where does the theory that it was Elizabeth de Crecy come from?

Looks like it was a 17th century WAG by Anselm de Guibours (aka Père Anselme). But where he got his information from...???

Weighing in ... if the parentage is incorrect, it would be good if someone could either correct it or at least sever the connection to Thibault and Elizabeth.

I'd like to help fix the line, but can't see which Thibault is indicated on the medlands page. Too many returns on a name search. No Milos.
Maven - can you give me a phrase to search from that page? It will speed things up.

I think Cawley reorganized things again, but here's his list for Montlhery: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/parcorroc.htm#_Toc495733088

I'm starting to see some shape to this, but it's a timey-wimey mess-up.

Thibaut de Montlhery had a wife, name unknown, and *one child*, Guy [I] de Montlhery.

Guy married Hodierne de Gometz-la-Ferté, and they had a whole bunch of children:

* MILON "le Grand" de Bray, m LITHUAISE Vicomtesse de Troyes and had about 10 children (q.v. separately).

* GUY [II] “le Rouge” (-1108), an early Comte de Rochefort, m. Elisabeth NN (has been identified as "Elisabeth de Crecy", but not in any primary source) and Adelais de Crécy, widow of Bouchard [II] Comte de Corbeil - the order of his marriages has been disputed. Biotte de Montlhéry was apparently HIS daughter, probably by his first wife (whichever one she was) - but the only documentation for her is very late indeed (1630).

* Melisende "l'ainee", m. Hugues de Rethel

* Alix, m. Hugues [I] "Blavons" de Breteuil

* Melisende "Bona-vecina/Caravecina", m Pons de Traînel Seigneur de Pont-sur-Sein

* Isabelle, m. Joscelin de Courtenay (second wife)

* Hodierne alias Ernesende, m [Gauthier Seigneur de Saint-Valéry-en-Caux].

I'm going to give THibault a NN wife, and disconnect Elizabeth de Crecy, Dame de Chevreuse as his wife

NN. All interested i helping, just request management

Guy - ditto.

Hodiere, de Gometz-la-Ferté ditto

Milon "le Grand" de Bray

Lithuaise, Vicomtesse de Troyes

Removing Bouchard I de Bray, seigneur de Montmorency and Hildegarde de Blois as parents of Thibaut “Filans-stupas/File-Etoupes
"No primary source has been found that indicates that Thibaut was related to the seigneurs de Montmorency. "http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/parcorroc.htm#_Toc495733088