Stephanus Stephanus Gouws, b6c6 - Mismerge Data Conflict?

He seems to have a hundred children more than Richard Ball found: http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/gous/I132.html

The comparison of the profiles https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=72056314030 did not reveal any potential disaster and a preliminary quick check in SAF CD v12 appeared in line.

I see that June/Richard highlighted some facts which was apparently a revision on Richard's article which changed the situation some time ago which also clearly shows in the merge view above. The increase in children was not caused by this merge.

Maybe Richard's write up in https://www.geni.com/projects/Irregularities-in-South-African-Genea... might clarify

Daan - please take a look at what you want kept or discarded after your merge.

Consistency Check:Baptism date of Johanna Helena Gous, b6c6d3 is before her birth date.Andries Gouws, b6c6d1 born after the death of his father Andries Stephanus Gous, b6c6.Andries Gouws, b6c6d1 born after the death of his mother Catherina Hubner Gouws, b3c1.

I am not sure whether the consistency check request belongs under this discussion but assume it is to kept the issues of the Gous family together!

To summarise.

1. It was not a wrong merge.

2. He did seem to have Five chidren more than mentioned in the old research in http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/gous/I132.html

3. The additional children were not caused by the "wrong" merge - they were already there under the one merged profile before the merge.

4. The children were correct based on Richard Ball's subsequent research laisted on the profile http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/gous/I132.html

5. The info was correct on Geni 28.5.1915 and no info had to be "discarded"

HOWEVER

Info existed on Geni of similarly named profiles born a century later.
The profiles were linked back by users whom I many times in the past highlighted as careless mergers and analysts (one profile which Sharon unlinked not long before)

Yes the Gouse are NOW in shambles. I am gallivanting in Los Angeles now and can not contribute too much analysis time. But the answers to get consistency are clearly visible under REVISIONS and ABOUTS

In case this is of interest / assistance, I uploaded (under Media) a copy of the page with his baptism record. Regards Nico

Thank you

Having dealt with some of the above careless changes, the "inconsistencies" seemed to have disappeared.

Not being familiar with the Gous lines, I leave the validity of the different siblings to the managers/curators of the individual profiles.

A good guideline will be found in ABOUT of Stephanus Stephanus Gouws, b6c6

I will be looking at this as it is my direct line as well as my husbands. I do have a rather well sourced Gous/Gouws PAF on my old register and will also look at a newer research in genesis 2007 and from which Richard added additional changes.

My line ---Andries Stephanus Gous, b6c6 is your fourth great grandfather.

Sharon Doubell I will include the "samevatting" by Richard after the further investigation regarding the article in genesis 2007, "The Gous Family tree-first generations. It does start with the parents Andre GAUCH and Jacqueline DECRE(Jannetjie Leclerck(De Klerk) and b1 is Steven GOUS *betwee 1683 and 1843 at Geneva, † before March 1758 farmer of Berg and Dal, Koeberg
x Ctahrina BOK 6/3/1718 *ca 1704-1075 † Dec 1779 d.o. Christiaan BOK and Anna Groothenning .. This will however take aconsiderable time to changeon hand of soueces, i.e. baptisms, marriages, deaths.

Conclusion Richard came to -
We have seen earlier that it could not have been Stephanus Gous, the son of Steven Gous (b1c1), who married Catharina Huppenaar, as averred by SAG and De Villiers / Pama, since he did not survive
(or leave surviving heirs) to be named as an heir in his mother’s will of 1759, having most probably
died as an infant. We have also seen that Steven Gous (b1) died around 1758 and was survived by his
wife, Catharina Bok, so that he could not have been Catharina Huppenaar’s husband.

This leaves as the only other candidate Stephanus Gous (b6.c6). I have, in addition, checked the baptismal witnesses for his first two children (I have not been able to examine details of the baptisms of his later children as I do not currently have access for the appropriate dates to the registers where they were presumably recorded, possibly Cape Town or Drakenstein).
The witnesses recorded were; for the first child, Andries, baptised 7 November 1756 at Tulbagh, Johanna Conterman and Jan le Grange, the child's paternal grandmother with her second husband; for the second child, Catharina, baptised 17 December 1758 at Tulbagh, Catharina Hofman and Willem Landman, maternal grandmother of the child with her second husband.
Again, this is slim evidence, but I believe that mine is the correct interpretation.
SAG lists a good number of other children as well but I have not investigated them.

Additionally also in the document
b1 Steven Gous, born between 1683 and 1684 at Geneva, died before March 1758
farmer, of Berg en Daal, Koeberg
x Catharina Bok, 6 March 1718 Cape Town
born: circa 1704-1705 at the Cape, died circa December 1779 father: Christiaan Bok, mother: Anna
Groothenning
I have assumed that he was the son of Jacqueline Decré. There is, so far as I am aware, no proof of this. He gave his birthplace as Geneva at the time of his marriage, so it seems very likely.
Although he appears as 'Etienne' in SAG, De Villiers / Pama, Boucher’s French Speakers at the Cape, and many of the web sites which list this family, I have found not a single historical source for this name. So far as I know we have no
record of him other than what is housed in the Cape Archives where his name is always Steven.

I do then suggest we look at all possible sources in particular baptisms, deaths, etc.

On the above son of Steven b1c1 b1.c1 Stephanus Gous, baptised 1 September 1720 Cape Town
and died (in all probability) between 1720 and 1721 as an infant.
Although given a large progeny by SAG this child almost certainly died as an infant. The opgaaf (tax cum census) returns for this family list no children for the year 1721. Later returns of 1725 to 1738 list only daughters in this family. The return of 1741 lists 1 son and 5 daughters. In addition the will of Catharina Bok, widow of Steven Gous, 17 March 1758, lists her 5 daughters and her one son, Andries Stephanus and the estate accounts of Clara Bok, who died without children of her own in 1798, lists the then living children and descendants of her late sister Catharina Bok, 'procreated within marriage with her likewise deceased husband Stephanus Gousch' as Andries
Stephanus Gousch, Sara Gousch and Clara Gousch.

LAstly - I will first first this line on Legacy to not have further havoc here and then place in discussion first to see if we all agree.

Lunch time.

Okay :-)

He's my 6th gr grandfather

I also see answers coming in on individual profiles, warranting an addition to the existing curator note that proof has been found on the additional children mentioned by Richard

Thanks to Nico Conradie, whom I always turn to for help on this matter, he located her baptism record, which is the 2nd last entry on the right hand page on this document.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSV8-W9WT-X?i=586&...

Nico, you are legend!

I've just gone back to school - let me know what I should add to the Curator note, and I will :-)

The baptism records for all of his children have now been loaded on their individual profiles and I believe it safe to update his curator note to display them all. :)

3. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRLS-QYX

5. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11116-195398-60?cc=147...

6. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSV8-W9WR-R?i=575&...

7. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSV8-W9WT-X?i=586&...

8. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSV8-W9WR-B?i=596&...

9. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSV8-W9WR-B?i=596&...

10. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11116-195493-74?cc=147...

11. Catharina Geesje Gouws

Baptised: 1777, den 6 April

Father: Stephanus Gousch

Mother: '''Catharina Huppenaar'''
Witnesses: '''Jan Albertze, en Geesje Nel, Jan Nel, en Sara Gousch. Tulbagh.'''

Ive added those not on FFYP here, should someone want to copy it onto his profile too... :)

Would appreciate if someone can also inform Richard Ball should he wish to update his research in future.

3. Johanna Helena 30 Aug 1761
4?
5.Sara 29 Jan 1764
6.Magdalena 1766
7.Jacoba Johanna 1769
8 and 9. Hesther and Rachel 1770
10. Elsje Dorothea 07 May 1775
11. Catharina Geesje 6 April 1777

Is this correct?
Missing number 4.

Yes, I like that.

Have searched to no avail thus far... missing primary source for number 4 unfortunately! Cant find it where the others are found, must be another area or source for her - or I missed it through all the unindexed pages! Seems to fit in ito date.

4. Anna 1762/3 (need source?) perhaps....

Okay great. Done.

Machel Gous?

Should be Rachel?

Yes I think Rachel for child 9, although it could look like a M like in Machel (Michiel) on the baptism record if you read quickly.

No, if I look again, it's an M - Machel

I still think it is a R - there is that small curve - if it was a son, the name would have been first.

Etienne in Frans word vertaal met Stephanus. Steven kan die verengelsde weergawe van die naam wees. M.a.w. Etienne kan of Stephanus of Steven wees.