William Shatner - Removal of William Shatner's profile

I am not clear on why anyone should dictate to a geni user whether or not they "approve" of being listed on geni.com. If an error needs to be corrected, then it should be corrected, but removal is not a basic "right", in my view.

Nathan Rosenshein -- see Geni's Terms of Service -- under
section VIII. Content/Activity Prohibited -- #19 includes "posting any third party's (including without limitation any family member's) information on the Geni Services without permission;"

I am pretty sure the Laws in some place absolutely require that be allowed, so incredibly unlikely Geni will change it - but do not have quick link to that info.
However, do see in the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy under Ethical Guidelines it also has "Protect the privacy of living individuals by not publishing or otherwise disclosing information about them without their permission."

If it's any consolation, I can't get the profile owner for my great-grandmother's family to include her name with her parents' children's names (even though I posted a link to another relative's webpage that does this). Almost feels like I don't exist by extension.

There are no profile owners on Geni. Except, in a sense, for each of us, for the one profile that is of themself.

If Geni sees you as great grandchild of a Profile,
and it is not a locked MP, not a Geni user, and there is no blocking,
then you have at least as much right to edit that profile as any other Geni user.

If the system shows you as being great grandchild
No locked MP etc
But is not letting you edit then there is a BUG.

The system currently shows you as off by yourself, not connected to the world tree at all. So build up from yourself to an ancestor that exists on the World Tree as a Public Profile and merge them. Get yourself properly connected, then make the changes yourself.

Thank you Lois, for your advice. I would have been happy just to see my great-grandmother included alongside her siblings, but if I need to start from myself and create a profile linking my ancestors up to her parent/s which are listed (I think that's what you mean), I will learn how to do this.

Kind regards
John

You can add family either in Tree View or in Profile View.
To do the latter -- click on your name in upper right
Then choose "View Your Profile"
In the Overview Tab, between the About Section and Immediate Family below it, click where it says "Add Family"

Herman Booysen - Last post on that topic was Jan. 2020, and since no link to a Profile, I am pretty sure that happened.
I saw absolutely nothing that suggested John's post had anything to do with William Shattner, It starts off "If it's any consolation, " - which seemed a total non sequitor and talks about wanting for his great-grandmother's family to include her name with her parents' children's names

I figured instead of asking what in heaven's name that had to do with William Shattner, I would just address how John could solve the problem he was experiencing.

Do you know something I don't, or did you just assume we were on topic?

Thank you Lois, for your kind advice to this newbie. Pardon my ignorance, but if I do this, will my great-grandmother then appear alongside her siblings and show as offspring of her parents, when searched by the general public? And will this then nark the profile owner that ignored me when I asked them to add her?

John Roberts - Geni is attempting to create one world tree.
Why have you yet to add any profiles beyond just yourself sitting in a separate tree??

I have no idea what documentation you have for the relationship you believe is correct.
I have no idea whether others have different documentation indicating something different.

As to "will my great-grandmother then appear alongside her siblings and show as offspring of her parents, when searched by the general public?" --
Why are you asking that?
Are her parents and siblings currently Public Profiles? Do they show?
Is this just about trying to make people believe something currently only you believe, or?

PS - if you go to that Manager's Profile and click on Actions - down towards the bottom of that drop down menu, do you see "Inactive Manager"? If so, then they have not logged in to Geni in over 6 to 9 months at least. So quite likely will not notice whatever you do there.

Hi Lois, I am being very careful not to annoy distant relatives I don't even know. I am not a professional using Geni, and have limited my access to perusing my own (and famous people's) family trees. I have performed my genealogical research since 1983 that satisfies me my great-grandmother belongs in the family detailed in the existing (public) profile shown. It is also corroborated by a tree I don't even own on another genealogical website.

The reason I ask how it will show is if I search for eg. my distant cousin Ricky Gervais, one profile (the 'Master Profile') comes up showing his ancestral tree. If someone came along and added, say, another brother for him by creating a link to Ricky Gervais, I presume it would show in another profile entry below his and not 'update' this Master one.

Now, what I am asking is if I create a new tree to my great-grandmother and up to her parents, will her name appear alongside the siblings in the current (active - I checked) public profile of either parent (neither of which are Master Profiles), or will there simply be a new profile entry created by me underneath the current one, showing what I believe the people and relationships to be? Your assistance is appreciated.

Sorry, you are looking at things so differently than I I am used to, that I cannot figure it out.

Geni is for everybody, not just professional genealogists.
You are doing right by Geni if you add the relatives you know.
Sitting there not adding anybody is doing wrong by all the rest of us.
This is ONE world Tree we are building.
And if I understand correctly, you know how you connect but refuse to connect yourself..

Ricky currently has 3 brothers. They are all private. If someone added another brother then it would show him having 4 brothers. Brothers are the same generation, so neither above nor below.

Thank you so much, Alex! My impression of how it worked was nearly 100% spot on. I don't understand why others couldn't follow what I was saying.

My only other question is - if the original profile creator does not agree to include my ancestor, is a copy of a birth / death / marriage certificate required to prove my ancestor's relationship or will a copy of a birth register entry suffice?

Once again, thank you for clarifying,
John

Hi Leanne, not Queen Liz but my g-g was one of 11 children born in a period of great fecundity between 1881 and 1900, lol. Her elder sister also had 11 children.

Which leads me to another question - even though I have no evidence of this, how are adopted children recorded in the Geni family tree?

John Roberts - out of curiosity, does this actually have anything to do with William Shattner, or the removal of his profile?
And if not, why did you post here instead of starting a new Public Discussion?

Thank you Leanne. I am slowly piecing the puzzle together!

Yes, as the rules are already clear about getting a profile removed that one doesn't like, Nathan steered us off the track somewhat. He should have simply said, "So the moral of the story is: Don't create dodgy profiles [including adding creative touches such as 'Alan'!] without thoroughly researching, as this annoys the heck out of stars like William.", which is my point entirely about being striving to create a correct profile in the first place so as not to annoy people.

I gained a lot of knowledge along the way, so it's all good. Looking forward to creating my tree. Thanks all.

John Roberts - The profile was not removed because relatives were annoyed.
William Shatner is a living person who is not a Geni User. The rule that any Living Person has the right to demand that his profile be removed from Geni hardly seems relevant to the situation you have been discussing.

Alex Moes - per Mike's post, William's Profile was removed because William himself insisted it be removed.
Errors may have contributed to - or even been responsible for - his objecting - but the Profile was removed because the living person it was a Profile of said remove it.
Had it been completely accurate, it still would have been removed if William said remove it.

Relatives of a deceased Person objecting is treated totally differently. Nobody can write Geni and have any Profile other than the one of themself removed.

John seems paralyzed by fear relatives of a deceased profile may be annoyed if he does something -- he has still not added a single profile other than himself.
He is perhaps unaware relatives of a profile objecting or demanding its removal - whether the profile is alive or deceased - is treated completely differently.
If it is a nonGeni user claiming errors, Mike will pass on their comments in a Public Discussion tagged to the Profile.
If it is a Geni User, the objector can post their comments themself to a Public Discussion tagged to the Profile.

John Roberts
Re: "as the rules are already clear about getting a profile removed that one doesn't like" --
The ONLY rule that is clear about getting a profile removed is that you have a right to have yourself removed from Geni, I have the right to have myself removed from Geni, etc.

Even if some relative were very annoyed about you adding your great grandmother, they would not have the right to have her profile or your profile removed from Geni.
If you have no proof of your great grandmother's parents and others do not agree they were her parents, they might be able to raise an issue and have that connection severed until proof was provided - but would not have the right to remove the profile or have it removed. Nor yours.

Am I correct - you were trying to get somebody else to add a relationship that is totally unproven? If not, why have you still not added anyone besides yourself?