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See previous conversation here: https://www.geni.com/discussions/205544
There are three main authorities on Samuel Perkins: 1) Brent H. Holcomb, one of the all-time greats in South Carolina genealogy, 2) Paula Perkins Mortensen, of the Perkins Family Association, and 3) Jennifer Ann Henley Perkins, former editor of the long-running "Perkins Press" journal.
All three have found, in peer-reviewed and published articles, that 1) Samuel Perkins had one wife, 2) she was the daughter of Daniel Rees of Delaware, and 3) her given name does not survive in any records.
We used to show this correctly in the tree, but she's somehow now become Grace Gwendolyn Rees, a native of Wales. We also have an uncited note added to Samuel's profile saying that he was the son of a Massachusetts man, even though that man died decades before Samuel was even born and left no sons.
Let's work together and get these profiles back in good working order. Let's start with: What evidence do we have for the recent connection to Elizabeth Driggers as another wife of his? (That profile seems to have its own issues, but we'll start here first.)
The screenshot Samuel's been tagged in at https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=photos_of_me&id=6000000007366324451&photo_id=6000000131734077891&position=0 is for a North Carolinian Samuel Perkins who died in 1783. Is this as simple as two Samuels being confused?
Elizabeth Driggers Is https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/64279197/elizabeth-eveleth
- lived and died in Massachusetts. She is not the daughter of a Pounds.
I will be Undo merge / change name. Why is she married to two different Perkins men?
Y-DNA can do many things, but it can't make a man born c. 1700 the son of a man who died in 1659. Nor can it make a man who died in 1743 die again in 1783.
I think you've confused a few different men named Samuel Perkins, and that that's where you're going astray. If you upload or link to sources, that would help tremendously.
Just copying out the source notes:
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Jennifer Ann Henley Perkins, who was the editor of the Perkins Press journal, says (Vol. 12, 1994, pp. 22-36) that Samuel Perkins was b. 1700 in an unknown place to unknown parents and married a name-unknown daughter of Daniel Rees of New Castle County, Delaware. This agreed with the findings of Paula Perkins Mortensen on p. 12 of the 1986 Perkins Family Newsletter, a family association annual.
In the South Carolina Magazine of Ancestral Research (Vol. 21-23, 1993, p. 54), acclaimed genealogist Brent H. Holcomb did not give Samuel a first name, but agreed that his father-in-law was the aforementioned Daniel Rees of New Castle County.
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Do we know the children of this (probably) Samuel Perkins & (daughter) Rees?
Do we agree that this is a good citation for the Rees Perkins (1729 - 1767) family?
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Perkins-4588
From The Luter-Davis & Allied Families by Marie Luter Upton, 1959, pg. 101:
According to research by the late Carter Rownd, brother of Judge W.S. Rownd, Hammond Louisiana , Samuel Perkins, born 1700, married a miss Rees, daughter of Daniel Rees, and Rees Perkins was a son of Samuel Perkins and Miss Rees (Perkins). The source of this information is not given. OLD CHERAWS, p. 617 shows Daniel Rees was baptized 1711, that he came from Wales to Pennapek to New Castle.
Rees Perkins (1729-1767) "At any rate, Rees Perkins was born 1729 Prince Fredericks Parish, South Carolina, and died between May and September 1767. He was baptized "adult" by Rev. James Borner, October 22, 1761 (Parish Register p. 44). His will is dated May 1767 and the executor was appointed September 1767 (Will Book J, 1767-1771, Rec. Bk. P, p. 114, Vol. II, Book A, Charleston, S.C.). Rees Perkins married about 1749 to Elizabeth Colson, and upon the death of Rees, his widow Elizabeth married one Robert Springer about Dec. 1768 (Misc. Bk. NN, p.431, Charleston Probate Court).
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Can we attest to any of the siblings?
OK, here’s the family. Do we agree?
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Perkins-1908
Samuel Perkins (about 1700 - before 1743?) married a daughter of Daniel Rees, whose first initial is sometimes given as "G." They are said to have moved with a group to the Welch Neck Settlement on the Pee Dee River in Craven County, South Carolina, now near Society Hill, Darlington County. The Welch Neck (Baptist) Church was organized in January 1738. Samuel Perkins apparently did not petition the South Carolina Council for the 50 acres per person land bounty allowed all immigrants, which might indicate he was born in South Carolina.
Children
http://jliptrap.us/gen/perkins.htm
Here’s where some of the pedigree confusion is from:
http://jliptrap.us/gen/perkins.htm
There is a claim that Samuel was the son of John and Lydia Perkins of Ipswich, Mass, but I have seen no evidence to support that claim. But he is most definitely NOT the Owen Perkins alleged to have been the child of John and Lydia (born when Lydia was 62 years old?) tied to this family by some.
(John Perkins of Ipswich who married Lydia had one child, an unnamed daughter, and then he died. VR of Ipswich.)
Private -
Can you help me understand the people this image refers to?
By the way, of course you can tag the same image to multiple profiles. And also, the “add comments” field is HTML enabled, so could more easily jump to any hyperlinks posted there. I use it for external websites also.
Do - I read it as the 3 yellow highlights are to make a grouping of:
But I don’t saw our Samuel (1700-1743) or his son Samuel Jr in this group.
Private User - cleanup of the “Perkins Time Travelers” attached to Samuel Perkins is complete and relationships are locked.
I also question that https://s3.amazonaws.com/photos.geni.com/p13/61/e2/27/bf/53444854984e81c3/samuel_perkins_ydna_original.jpg is tagged to the correct profile, because the highlight is to:
Samuel Perkins of ANSON County MD, 1783
And this Samuel is of South Carolina, and died in 1743.
Nor do I see a Samuel of Anson in his descent.
This man is b 1783 in Anson County
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/33836227/samuel-perkins
Who is it you are tracing down > up from?
And here’s a whole book about him.
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.456.7260&...
I see. The narrative for Henry Perkins of Currituck suggests he’s a son of Old Jock Perkins.
But now there’s a contradiction. Because Joshua “Old Jock” Perkins Old Jock is proven
Y DNA Haplogroup: E-M96
and Samuel Perkins b 1784, Henry Perkins d 1797, & John Pound d 1717 are Y DNA haplogroup I-M253.
I take it John Pound or someone closely relates to him are ancestral to these Perkins.
So - the narrative for Henry needs updating, I think.
Here’s the FamilyTree Y DNA study
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Parkins-Perkins?iframe=yresults
I know the New England Perkins are supposedly from Hillmorton Parish in England, that looks like I-M253, Group 2.
Just to reiterate, we “did” find the answer to this: “ Erica, I see you added back the middle name of "Owens" for Samuel...there's no source for it that I'm aware of.”
Apparently a theory in 2010 was that the Perkins man who married a Rees woman and eventually landed in South Carolina was an Owen Perkins, son of John Perkins & Lydia of Ipswich, Massachusetts. Who had no sons, were not Welsh origin, and died before Samuel Perkins was born, so that idea doesn’t work out. :)
The listings for Patriot Isaac Perkins/Henry Perkins/George Perkins are wildly incorrect:
Isaac Perkins
Isaac was NOT the son of "Henry Perkins of Curritack and Abigatil Perkins", he was the son of George Perkins, son of Esther Perkins: George Perkins
See e.g. http://freeafricanamericans.com/Nash_Peters.htm
Correct details on Isaac Perkins:
born abt 1756 in Craven County, North Carolina, died 23 May 1830 in Craven County, North Carolina, He married Deborah Godette/Godet: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/60548/images/42091...
Isaac died childless. He had one sister named Sarah who married Isaac Carter. Sarah's husband Isaac Carter is the namesake of the SAR's Isaac Carter Chapter.
Isaac is listed as the brother of "George Perkins of Marion County SC". George Perkins is my 5th great grandfather and I have extensive documentation on him. George was the son of Joshua Old Jock Perkins and grandson of Esther Perkins 1. George had two children Anna E Perkins who married William Graves and Stephen Perkins Sr (his name was not Stephen Graves Perkins).
This is the correct listing for my ancestor George Perkins: George Perkins
This listing correctly lists his wife, parents, and children
Please note Ann Ferebee Perkins, Henry Perkins, and John Perkins are not connected to the Esther Perkins1/Old Jock Perkins family.
Private, the listings you've been creating lately for my Perkins family are making a lot of work for a lot of people - and for no apparent reason. I don't understand why you are doing this, especially when there is so much documentation about this family. If you'd like to write and ask me questions before you make changes to the Geni listings, I'll do my best to help you. I've been studying my Perkins family for over 30 years and my father did extensive research on them for decades before I got involved. I'm always willing to try and help people out. I'm begging you, however, please stop making these seemingly random changes on Geni.