Samuel Perkins - Wife/wives of Samuel Perkins, revisited

Also tagging G. Perkins which I forgot to do (sorry!).

The screenshot Samuel's been tagged in at https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=photos_of_me&id=6000000007366324451&photo_id=6000000131734077891&position=0 is for a North Carolinian Samuel Perkins who died in 1783. Is this as simple as two Samuels being confused?

Private - which child are you tracking?

Elizabeth Driggus Is https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/64279197/elizabeth-eveleth

- lived and died in Massachusetts. She is not the daughter of a Pounds.

I will be Undo merge / change name. Why is she married to two different Perkins men?

Her original identity,

Elizabeth Driggers
Gender: Female
Birth: 1637
Northampton County, Virginia, United States

Dates don’t work for current husband / children / father.

Better to cut her loose as she originally was and add in a new Elizabeth.

Y-DNA can do many things, but it can't make a man born c. 1700 the son of a man who died in 1659. Nor can it make a man who died in 1743 die again in 1783.

I think you've confused a few different men named Samuel Perkins, and that that's where you're going astray. If you upload or link to sources, that would help tremendously.

Erica, I see you added back the middle name of "Owens" for Samuel...there's no source for it that I'm aware of.

No, that’s a merge undo issue. Every time one extracts the bad merge, it reverts to original value. So we need to find where Samuel Owens Perkins got merged and undo that (or determine it’s not needed).

Doing this I found the real Elizabeth “Everleth” Perkins (1615 - 1684).

Elizabeth Perkins

I placed Judith Gater, last seen in 1700s North Carolina, back to herself (1588 - 1654).

Judith Perkins

(Undoing merges will make the tree funky again foe a little bit - have patience …)

Ashley - this is the original entry by Peter Breed.

Owen Perkins was connected to Rees Perkins as her husband with a child Rees Perkins.
Dec 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM

So was he Owen Perkins or Samuel Perkins?

Just copying out the source notes:

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Jennifer Ann Henley Perkins, who was the editor of the Perkins Press journal, says (Vol. 12, 1994, pp. 22-36) that Samuel Perkins was b. 1700 in an unknown place to unknown parents and married a name-unknown daughter of Daniel Rees of New Castle County, Delaware. This agreed with the findings of Paula Perkins Mortensen on p. 12 of the 1986 Perkins Family Newsletter, a family association annual.

In the South Carolina Magazine of Ancestral Research (Vol. 21-23, 1993, p. 54), acclaimed genealogist Brent H. Holcomb did not give Samuel a first name, but agreed that his father-in-law was the aforementioned Daniel Rees of New Castle County.

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Do we know the children of this (probably) Samuel Perkins & (daughter) Rees?

Do we agree that this is a good citation for the Rees Perkins (1729 - 1767) family?

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Perkins-4588

From The Luter-Davis & Allied Families by Marie Luter Upton, 1959, pg. 101:

According to research by the late Carter Rownd, brother of Judge W.S. Rownd, Hammond Louisiana , Samuel Perkins, born 1700, married a miss Rees, daughter of Daniel Rees, and Rees Perkins was a son of Samuel Perkins and Miss Rees (Perkins). The source of this information is not given. OLD CHERAWS, p. 617 shows Daniel Rees was baptized 1711, that he came from Wales to Pennapek to New Castle.

Rees Perkins (1729-1767) "At any rate, Rees Perkins was born 1729 Prince Fredericks Parish, South Carolina, and died between May and September 1767. He was baptized "adult" by Rev. James Borner, October 22, 1761 (Parish Register p. 44). His will is dated May 1767 and the executor was appointed September 1767 (Will Book J, 1767-1771, Rec. Bk. P, p. 114, Vol. II, Book A, Charleston, S.C.). Rees Perkins married about 1749 to Elizabeth Colson, and upon the death of Rees, his widow Elizabeth married one Robert Springer about Dec. 1768 (Misc. Bk. NN, p.431, Charleston Probate Court).

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Can we attest to any of the siblings?

OK, here’s the family. Do we agree?

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Perkins-1908

Samuel Perkins (about 1700 - before 1743?) married a daughter of Daniel Rees, whose first initial is sometimes given as "G." They are said to have moved with a group to the Welch Neck Settlement on the Pee Dee River in Craven County, South Carolina, now near Society Hill, Darlington County. The Welch Neck (Baptist) Church was organized in January 1738. Samuel Perkins apparently did not petition the South Carolina Council for the 50 acres per person land bounty allowed all immigrants, which might indicate he was born in South Carolina.

Children

1. Alice Perkins (c.1725 PA-1783) married William Lucas (1714-1758) said to be connected to the Monahan, James, Ellison, and Limmerman Families (see S.C.Mag.Hist v27p212)
2. Samuel Perkins (c.1727-1764) m.16 Apr 1743 Sarah Butler (d.1773), widow of Daniel Cartwright, in St Philips Pr, Charleston. He was a coach maker in Charleston. 1) John Perkins 2) Sarah Perkins married James Boddie
3. Rees Perkins (c.1729 SC-1767) married Elizabeth (Colson)
4. John Perkins married 4 Sep 1742 Mary Graceberry (member of Welsh Neck Church in 1761)
5. Barbara Perkins, wife of Daniel Monahan (d.1761) of St Marks Parish, SC
6. Lewis Perkins, with William Lucas, was executor of the estate of Daniel Monahan in 1761

http://jliptrap.us/gen/perkins.htm

Here’s where some of the pedigree confusion is from:

http://jliptrap.us/gen/perkins.htm

There is a claim that Samuel was the son of John and Lydia Perkins of Ipswich, Mass, but I have seen no evidence to support that claim. But he is most definitely NOT the Owen Perkins alleged to have been the child of John and Lydia (born when Lydia was 62 years old?) tied to this family by some.

(John Perkins of Ipswich who married Lydia had one child, an unnamed daughter, and then he died. VR of Ipswich.)

Private -

Can you help me understand the people this image refers to?

https://www.geni.com/photo/view/6000000007367057363?album_type=photos_of_me&photo_id=6000000178457609915

By the way, of course you can tag the same image to multiple profiles. And also, the “add comments” field is HTML enabled, so could more easily jump to any hyperlinks posted there. I use it for external websites also.

Do - I read it as the 3 yellow highlights are to make a grouping of:

• Samuel Perkins of Anson County NC 1783 (is that birth or death?)
• Henry Perkins of Currituck & Halifax Counties NC d 1797
• Jihn Pound b 1645 England ans d 1717 VA

But I don’t saw our Samuel (1700-1743) or his son Samuel Jr in this group.

Private User - cleanup of the “Perkins Time Travelers” attached to Samuel Perkins is complete and relationships are locked.

I also question that https://media.geni.com/p13/61/e2/27/bf/53444854984e81c3/samuel_perkins_ydna_original.jpg?hash=f78f45d79e892a5084f1a5c2adb7aafa4593b35a34498b02946729ba6c954226.1745132399 is tagged to the correct profile, because the highlight is to:

Samuel Perkins of ANSON County MD, 1783

And this Samuel is of South Carolina, and died in 1743.

Nor do I see a Samuel of Anson in his descent.

This man is b 1783 in Anson County

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/33836227/samuel-perkins

Who is it you are tracing down > up from?

And here’s a whole book about him.

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.456.7260&...

Samuel Perkins

Currently attached to Isaac Perkins although the print source has parents unknown.

I see. The narrative for Henry Perkins of Currituck suggests he’s a son of Old Jock Perkins.

But now there’s a contradiction. Because Joshua “Old Jock” Perkins Old Jock is proven
Y DNA Haplogroup: E-M96
and Samuel Perkins b 1784, Henry Perkins d 1797, & John Pound d 1717 are Y DNA haplogroup I-M253.

I take it John Pound or someone closely relates to him are ancestral to these Perkins.

https://www.geni.com/people/Henry-Perkins-of-Currituck6000000003061541819?through=6000000178472990866#/tab/media

So - the narrative for Henry needs updating, I think.

Here’s the FamilyTree Y DNA study

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Parkins-Perkins?iframe=yresults

I know the New England Perkins are supposedly from Hillmorton Parish in England, that looks like I-M253, Group 2.

Just to reiterate, we “did” find the answer to this: “ Erica, I see you added back the middle name of "Owens" for Samuel...there's no source for it that I'm aware of.”

Apparently a theory in 2010 was that the Perkins man who married a Rees woman and eventually landed in South Carolina was an Owen Perkins, son of John Perkins & Lydia of Ipswich, Massachusetts. Who had no sons, were not Welsh origin, and died before Samuel Perkins was born, so that idea doesn’t work out. :)

Okay, so that's why there's no source anywhere! :) Endless thanks for all the work you've contributed here. After tomorrow, I have more time to try to document as much as I can with the lines going south of here, which will hopefully help avoid more confusion again in the future.