Ann Morgan (Hopkins) - Spouses and Children

This tree needs some major cleanup. Charles, born 1724, was married to Ann Poole and had one child, and married to Ann Hopkins and had 18 children. I didn't find Samuel. Father Charles shows on Geni that he was born 1724 but had a son Charles in 1721. Not possible. Maybe the managers could take a look. Thank you for finding this Debbie.

Susan Angeline Schumacher Lostetter well, months later and I'm back. Just now seeing your response to my post last October.

I see there are still problems. I'm tracing a DNA match on Ancestry that brings me to this Ann (Hopkins) Morgan, but nothing on Ancestry is showing her married more than once, only to Charles - not with a husband Samuel Morgan.

This is why I hate that Geni even allows gedcom uploads. People just upload stuff and never take the time to post any notes or document the conenctions, much less sort things out when they can see that what they did added extra people to the connections.

I can't always tell under the Revisions tab if something was a bad merge or upload unless it's my direct ancestor and I've worked on them enough to know a good bit.

In this case, Charles is an ancestral uncle for me and I wasn't even aware of the first wife, which isn't showing in any of the Ancestry trees I've looked at under his Hints. Had no clue where Samuel came from, etc. So the info under the Revisions tab is only useful, in my opinion, to those who would catch any errors. I tend to just note what I'm seeing that doesn't make sense to me and hope one or more of the profile managers has been knowledge than I do and can help sort things out or that the folks who did the Gedcom uploads and merges will work to clean things up.

Since that often doesn't happen that way though, as always, Erica, thanks for all that you do to help keep the pathways correct.

All that said, Ercia, since you mentioned only finding one child for Charles and Ann, I found a copy of Charles' will on Ancestry and will attach it under his media file. He lists all his children by name:

" I give to my six son name Joseph Morgan, & Charles Morgan Jr, Edward Morgan & John Morgan & Zachariah Morgan & William Morgan and my two Daughters Hanna West and Rachel Stewart this house and Land and Mill wherein I no live and all the residues and remander of my wourldly Estate of what kind or quality so ever ti be only the Beds and furniture thereunto belonging that I now ly on to be Equally divided amongst my six sons & two Daughters above named to them their heirs"

The only problem is, it doesn't clarify if they all had the same mother. In fact, unless I'm overlooking it, I don't even see a wife mentioned in his will.

I added a copy of the will to his Wiki page also since his Wiki only shows one child instead of all of them named in his will.

All I know for sure is the will I shared for Charles Morgan mentions the daughter Hanna West, which you had said was the only child you'd found for him and Ann Hopkins. So other than the will listing other children, everything fit.

Well, Henry was married to Deborah Poole, so whichever Charles was married to her sister who was a Poole would be the right Charles.

I don't give too much credibility to the whole 'lost Morgan tribes" thing though. That's just because back in the day before the internet and DNA, some genealogist(s) couldn't find their branches of the family. However, I'm from Henry's line and I have the DNA matches in ThruLines connecting me to other descendants of his and Deborah Poole.

But more than that, I'm from 'the lost Gambrell tribe', so to speak, according to one Gambrell researcher who said we disappeared in Summerland, Smith County, Missiouri and have never been heard from again, basically. Everyone touts his book as very well-researched and it's in librarires. I paid $50 for a copy and discovered his glaring error...because my Gambrells were and still are from Summerland, Smith County, Mississippi - not Missouri. I wrote and told him we were never 'lost', he was just looking in the wrong state, confusing MO with MS. Of course, the book was already published and 'out there' and people use it for tree-building research. He didn't do a revision, so I put a disclaimer about it on my My Heritage account years ago.

So sometimes 'lost tribes' were never lost...but the genealogist was on the wrong path.

Erica, I just uploaded 2 pages about the family of Col. Morgan Morgan that has info put together by the commission that did the Morgan Morgan monument. It only lists one wife for Charles and mentions she was the sister of Henry's wife. I'd think if he had his children with Ann Hopkins, that would have been noted but she isn't mentioned. So I'm thinking perhaps the Charles who married Ann Hopkins was a different Charles. Like so many families of that era, they used so many same names for the men in the various sibling and cousin branches. I'm sure they're all related 'somehow', but it nags at me that only the reference for the Poole wife is even mentioned.

And that same info from the Commission lists Col. Morgan Morgan's children as:

James - died young
Anne - m. Nathaniel Thompson and Reuben Paxton
David md. Sarah Stevens
Charles and Henry who married sisters
Evan - never married
Zaquill - founder of Morgantown
Rev. Morgan II

The major research I'd found done on these Morgan lines is at this link:

https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/m/o/r/William-dallas-Morgan-PA/GENE1-...

so I was checking it. Even though it's the best researched info I've found on the family, that doesn't mean there might not be errors since this was done years ago.

He DOES list both Jane Poole and Ann Hopkins as Charles' wives:

CHARLES MORGAN53,54,55,56,57, b. Mar 20, 1723/24, Christiana, New Castle, Delaware, USA58; d. 1788, Berkeley, Virginia, USA59; m. (1) JANE POOLE60, 1745, New Castle, DE60; b. WFT Est. 1720-174060; d. WFT Est. 1741-182460; m. (2) ANN HOPKINS, 1750, New Castle, DE.

Notes for CHARLES MORGAN:
4th child of Col. Morgan Morgan, lived and died in Berkeley County, married a sister of his brother Henry's wife.Widow and children moved to South Carolina with brother, Henry and sister, Anne Paxton, shortly before the Revolution.

More About CHARLES MORGAN and JANE POOLE:
Marriage: 1745, New Castle, DE60

More About CHARLES MORGAN and ANN HOPKINS:
Marriage: 1750, New Castle, DE

That only shows 5 years between the supposed two marriages of Charles and I'm still nagged by the fact that the Commission on their farther only indicates one wife for Charles.

There are obviously other errors on that site. I'm currently looking at the chldren of Henry and Deborah Poole and these three show all born the same year, two sisters born on the same date in Aug. 1760 and a brother born a month later. lol

iii. CATHERINE MORGAN, b. Aug 10, 1760, Berkeley, Virginia; d. Apr 30, 1848, Morgantown, Monongalia, West Virginia, USA.
19. iv. RUTH MORGAN, b. Aug 10, 1760, Berkeley, West Virginia, USA, USA; d. May 18, 1837, Habersham, Georgia.

So while that site has a LOT of info and many sources, they obviously didn't question or double-check some of the dubious info.
20. v. MORGAN MORGAN III, b. Sep 10, 1760, Spartanburg County, South Carolina; d. Feb 12, 1836, Pickens District, SC, USA.

I believe the Poole marriages are correct because they're even included in the Commission papers for the Col. Morgan Morgan monument. And I'm glad his children are correctly connected here on Geni. There are LOT of Morgan descendants in this country and most trace back to him as our immigrantt ancestor.

On Ancestry alone, I have 37 DNA matching cousins sharing ThruLines connections with me back to Henry Morgan and Deborah Poole. ThruLines only goes to the 5th grandparents, so I can't take it all the way back to Col. Morgan and his wife. I wish they'd add another generation in ThruLines! lol

However, my son Len Ingram and I also had our DNA tested by FTDNA and My Heritage and have that linked to our Geni profiles. Both of us show among the atDNA matches under Col. Morgan's DNA tab:

Len Ingram
from Family Finder

Debbie Gambrell
6th great granddaughter
from Family Finder

omg! That must have been a nightmare! You are amazing at how well you do what you do on Geni though, you're such an asset to Geni and all who use it.

Hi! I don't have much to add cause I'm still quite a novice trying to untangle stuff like this, but I wanted to offer what info I had. I'm a direct descendant of Hannah West (Morgan) by her illegitimate son Zachariah. Miss Erica mentioned how it wasn't clear if Hannah did die in KY or not or if they ever were in SC. From what I know from family and have researched personally, Hannah did die in KY when she eventually migrated here to rejoin her family in Clay Co, and that's where we've stayed. We've been in Clay Co for nearly 200 years, even I was born here.

To the best of my knowledge and research, I've not personally found a connection between Hannah and Zachariah with Charles Morgan of Chatham. Its thought that Zachariah is the son of another Morgan of no known relation somewhere around Philly or NJ. I've speculated that Zachariah's father may have been General Daniel Morgan, despite her claiming to be his sister. I've found no records yet of familial connection between the pair, and for the time and the convenience of having the same surname, it might've held some water for the sake of saving face on both sides. People are historically shady, and it wouldn't be unheard of. Especially since there is record that Daniel Morgan did have one illegitimate son, Willoughby, who was born 10 years after Zachariah and was "sent away to the south" to be with relatives. SC census shows a young, unknown boy of about the right age, living in the West household at the time so it isn't much of a stretch that he might have two illegitimates... My family has a history of adultery and sandal (Zachariah's son Jesse, my 5th g-grandfather, kept an illegitimate second family in the county over) but again, pure speculation on my part.

According to census records, it seems Hannah jumped about a bit between SC and PA after the death of her husband (she supposedly had family in Philly, which would track if her parents were Charles and Ann since we know Charles had family in New Castle, which is a stone's throw from Philly) before finally settling in KY with her youngest and his family where she died (she had 3 other children by her husband, Charles Morgan West and Mary and Rebecca West, that seem to get forgotten a lot, but show up in census and property grant records).

Her grave is proving hard to find and I'm leaning towards that she was buried probably in a family cemetery that was on their property in KY and has since been lost to time since often churches wouldn't have allowed her to be buried in a proper churchyard if they knew she had been an adulterer. But again, speculation.

As for if Charles Morgan from the "lost tribes" is her actual father or not, I've not found anything to say one way or another; its a lot of speculation and vague bits here and there. I'm working on doing a DNA test to see if any connections come of that. However, this branch of my family is from my mother's paternal side so it'll be a little bit of a shot in the dark.

Sorry this is a bit of a ramble, but hopefully something in here is useful in regards to Hannah's life at least.