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Private User
11/23/2021 at 12:23 PM

I am opening further discussion on Hendrik, because it is possible that this Hendrik (currently given as the husband of Maria and the father of Mijndert) is not the correct person.

Of particular interest is the suggestion that the children of Cornelis Claas /Claesz (Kees de Boer) were known by the patronym CORNELISZ (not CLAASEN)

There are two Hendriks in question.

1) Stamouers.com has Hendrik born 1686 son of Claas Gerrits and Sara van Soloor married Maria BOOIJS. (see entry Hendrik CLAASSEN) He was baptised 6 March 1686 . He had a brother called Meijndert (or Meyndert) and a brother called Gerrit . His half-sister was Hendriette (Henrietta) Wittebol who married W L Wiederhold.
Willem Kempen (Claassens family http://www.kempen.id.au/index.php?id_pag=32) has similar info.
Mansell Upham has this Hendrik married to Maria, and
Delia Robertson (First Fifty Years Project) agrees. http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g9/p9571.htm

2)Booysen, Claasen and Buchroeder trees have Hendrik born 1681, the son of Cornelis Claasen and Catharina van Malabar., m Maria Booysen.

HOWEVER, Richard Ball (2010) says that the children of Cornelis Claasen and Catharina van Malabar used the patronym CORNELISZ .(http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/robberts/I022.html).

So their son was known as Hendrik CORNELISZ although his name is written Hendrik CLAESSEN in the baptismal register.
Ref (Delia Robertson First Fifty Years) http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g7/p7266.htm
Herman Booysen C
11/24/2021 at 2:57 AM

Interesting. I'll have a look in my archives to see if I can find anything. Mansell Upham does a great deal to research and publish genealogical trees, so that is to be appreciated. Unfortunately, he does not respond to messages on other sites, so I'm not sure that I'll get a response if I ask him about it.

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 4:35 AM

But his sister was Adriaantjie Gabrielsz ?
Where did that patronym or surname originate from ?
Claessen ,Cornelisz and Gabrielsz
A bit like pick a name any name .

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 4:39 AM

FFY have Adriaantjie Gabrielsz as stepdaughter of Kees De Boer.
-- and I think Beverley might be right re wrong Hendrik.

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 4:52 AM

Beverley link to profile of Hendrik Ckaasen born 1686 ?

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 5:20 AM

Hendrik Claasen

Weird he was not on GENI !!
Wonder why ?

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 5:21 AM

Baptism Hendrick Claasz was baptized on 30 December 1685 Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, (Cape Town), de Caep de Goede Hoop. The baptism was witnessed by Armosyn de Groote van de Caep. This witness has not been positively identified but Armosyn de Groote van de Caep is(are) potentially the correct individual(s.)1
Marriage* He married Maria Booysen, daughter of Boij Boijsen and Hermina van Nek, on 14 July 1709 Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, Stellenbosch, de Caep de Goede Hoop.2

According to FFY

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 5:24 AM

Adriaantje Gabrielsz, SM/Prog

YET on FFY : ---3. When Adriaantje is married she is described as the step-daughter of Catharina van Malabar's husband||in this way: ao' 1683, eodem dito [den 4. Julij], Pieter Gerrits zoo, Jonghman, vryburgh en Aedriantie stiefdogter van Kees de boer1,2

Why her surnamis Gabrielsz not Cornelisz ?

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 5:28 AM

Names of children

Maria Claasz4 b. b 20 Mar 1712
Gerrit Claasen5 b. b 5 May 1725
Myndert Claasen+6 b. b 22 Dec 1726

does not link him to Kees de Boer !

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 5:31 AM

This is the Master Profile for Hendrik Claasen, b8.
Curator Note from Judith Susanna Hendrika Meyer (Marais), Judi - i12j2 (1/11/2015):

http://databases.tanap.net/mooc/make_pdf.cfm?output=pdf&id=......

Inventories of the Orphan Chamber
Cape Town Archives Repository, South Africa
Reference no.: MOOC8/1.28
Testator(s):
Klaas Gerritz: van Bengalen
5 November 1697
Inventaris en tacxatie der goederen, nagelaten en met de dood ontruijmt van den overleden vrije swart Klaas
Gerritz: van Bengalen voor en ten behoeven van sijn egte huijsvrouw Zara van Zoloor ter eener; en
zijn vier kinderen, gen:t
Hendriette oud 23
Meijndert oud 16
Gerrit oud 11, en
Hendrik Klaasz: oud 10 jaren

Obviouly husband of Maria Booijs now attached to wrong parents here !!

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 5:33 AM

Claasz Gerritz van Bengale, SV/PROG

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 5:34 AM

@Sharon Doubell

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 5:41 AM

Hendrik Claasen, b8 was disconnected from his parents Gerritsz Claasz and Sara Claasz (Van Soloor) by Herman Booysen.
23 Feb at 2:40 PM ·

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 5:48 AM

Son of Cornelis "Kees de Boer" Claesz, SV/PROG 1 and Catharina (Catrijn) van Malabar, SM/PROG ?/

Why no children named after current father or siblings on GENI ?

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 5:50 AM

Brother of Klaas Claasen; Cornelia Cornelisse Claasen Pyl, b3 SM/PROG; Aaltje Cornelisz, b4 SM/PROG; Maria Willemse (Cornelisz), SM; Barend Claasens, b6; Catharina Cornelisz van Hoorn (Claasens), b7 SM and Adriaantje Gabrielsz, SM/Prog

None of his children named after any of his siblings here .

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 5:53 AM

@Delia Robertson
Herman Booysen C
11/24/2021 at 9:12 AM

Discussion Unfollowed.

Private User
11/24/2021 at 11:59 AM

@ Phillipp - thanks for all your work and information.

Re Adriaantje Gabrielsz - She was not the biological daughter of Cornelis Claesz as shown on her current Geni profile.
These are the notes I have made in the past, some of which came from Delia Robertson's First Fifty years project.http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g7/p7069.htm
She was also known as Ariaantje CORNELISZ and Ariaantje VAN CATHRYN.
She was the witness at the baptism of Hendrik (son of Cornelis Claasen (her step-father) and her mother Catharina) on 26 Dec 1681.
She was identified as the "voordogter" of Catharina, the wife of Cornelis Claasz (Kees de Boer) by Mansell Upham in his article "The Soetkoek Syndrome", based on the evidence of Catharina's marriage entry in the Cape Town register. (Ref: Mansell Upham, The Soetkoek Syndrome, in Capensis 2/2001,pages 27-30).
http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g7/p7069.htm

Private User
11/24/2021 at 12:17 PM

@ Phillipp - Thank you for making a new profile for Hendrik (son of Sara and Claas Gerritz).

It will be interesting to see if there is any support for him being the husband of Maria Booysen

At present I have no information on the "current" husband Hendrik Claasen, b8. I'll keep looking.

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 8:34 PM

@ Beverley sadly few bother to follow these discussions.
Ariaantjie my 6th grt grandmother .
Let's see what happens.
Sharon Doubell C
11/24/2021 at 10:35 PM

Guys - put the profile links into this discussion where you want managers to come and comment eg cf Cornelis "Kees de Boer" Claesz, SV/PROG 1

I'm not very knowledgeable on these profiles: Private seems to curate.

I don't understand why Herman Booysen decided to unfollow the discussion.

You are going to have to explain in simple steps what the issues are if you want my help. There is too much info about too many profiles above for me to unravel easily.

Sharon Doubell C
11/24/2021 at 10:47 PM

On Adriaantje Gabrielsz, SM/Prog 's parentage - here is the Discussion: https://www.geni.com/discussions/157268?msg=1091081
Sharon Doubell C
11/24/2021 at 10:58 PM

Private User says I am opening further discussion on Hendrik Hendrik Claasen , because it is possible that this Hendrik (currently given as the husband of Maria Maria Magdalena Claasen, b4 and the father of Mijndert Mijndert Claasen ) is not the correct person.

Of particular interest is the suggestion that the children of Cornelis Claas /Claesz (Kees de Boer) Cornelis "Kees de Boer" Claesz, SV/PROG 1 were known by the patronym CORNELISZ (not CLAASEN)

There are two Hendriks in question.

1) Stamouers.com has Hendrik born 1686 son of Claas Gerrits and Sara van Soloor married Maria BOOIJS. (see entry Hendrik CLAASSEN) He was baptised 6 March 1686 . He had a brother called Meijndert (or Meyndert) and a brother called Gerrit . His half-sister was Hendriette (Henrietta) Wittebol who married W L Wiederhold.
Willem Kempen (Claassens family http://www.kempen.id.au/index.php?id_pag=32) has similar info.
Mansell Upham has this Hendrik married to Maria, and
Delia Robertson (First Fifty Years Project) agrees. http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g9/p9571.htm

2)Booysen, Claasen and Buchroeder trees have Hendrik born 1681, the son of Cornelis Claasen and Catharina van Malabar., m Maria Booysen.

HOWEVER, Richard Ball (2010) says that the children of Cornelis Claasen and Catharina van Malabar used the patronym CORNELISZ .(http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/robberts/I022.html).

So their son was known as Hendrik CORNELISZ although his name is written Hendrik CLAESSEN in the baptismal register.
Ref (Delia Robertson First Fifty Years) http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g7/p7266.htm
Sharon Doubell C
11/24/2021 at 11:11 PM

Acc. to http://databases.tanap.net/mooc/make_pdf.cfm?output=pdf&id=MOOC8/1.28
Hendrik Claasen

Hendrik Klaasz b 1687

  • s/o Klaas Gerritz: van Bengalen vrije swart & Zara van Zoloor
  • Siblings: Hendriette, Meijndert, Gerrit
Sharon Doubell C
11/24/2021 at 11:18 PM

This above MOOC link was Judi's CN reference on Hendrik Claasen but it appears actually to apply Hendrik Claasen unless Hendrik Claasen 's profile needs to be moved/restored to other parents?
Sharon Doubell C
11/24/2021 at 11:22 PM

Cornelis "Kees de Boer" Claesz, SV/PROG 1's son Hendrik is born 1681, though - and we know that Klaas Gerritz: van Bengalen vrije swart & Zara van Zoloor's son Hendrik is b 187.

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 11:24 PM

THX SHaron !
Sharon Doubell C
11/24/2021 at 11:25 PM

So I'm moving the CN that comes from Judi's reference Acc. to http://databases.tanap.net/mooc/make_pdf.cfm?output=pdf&id=MOOC8/1.28
from Hendrik Claasen to Hendrik Claasen

Hendrik Klaasz b 1687

s/o Klaas Gerritz: van Bengalen vrije swart & Zara van Zoloor

Siblings: Hendriette, Meijndert, Gerrit

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 11:26 PM

Hendrik Claasz b4

Baptism Hendrick Claasz was baptized on 30 December 1685 Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, (Cape Town), de Caep de Goede Hoop. The baptism was witnessed by Armosyn de Groote van de Caep. This witness has not been positively identified but Armosyn de Groote van de Caep is(are) potentially the correct individual(s.)1
Marriage* He married Maria Booysen, daughter of Boij Boijsen and Hermina van Nek, on 14 July 1709 Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, Stellenbosch, de Caep de Goede Hoop.2

According to FFY

J P Weyers
11/24/2021 at 11:29 PM

Ariaantjie Gabrielsz separate discussion --
first focus who was husband of Maria Booysen

Hendrik Claasen, b8 or Hendrik Claasz , b4 - Which Hendrik married Maria Booysen??

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