William Henry Moss, III - 100% wrong

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Again, it will not be corrected by removing a few kids. Whoever did this needs to research the Moss family instead of blind copying. Research them in detail. You have at least three Moss family groups strung together here. Outside source? Try vestry books, local transactions, and Northern Neck Genealogy. William Moss, the man who married Bridgett North had one son and two daughters, that's it. William Jr who died with no issue (proven when his sisters take whats left of their father's estate) Francis Moss Brown and Elizabeth Moss Crask. This is not the same William who married Elizabeth Martin in York County. Read his will, too. That man did not father a Samuel or a Henry. He did have sons James and John. These are not the men who live in Surry County. I don't know where you're getting Miss New Jersey from. That is a matter of someone just grabbing for common names. Rose Moss Scott is not credible. She did not have access to DNA research or all available records. There are no records for William Moss and Mary Jane Craik aside from what the descendants of Nathaniel mention. That's perfectly fine for them, yet they do not match my Mosses. No one here has a right to string records together in this way. What you need to do is procure the Moss wills and list only the children listed there. These people also named grandchildren. You can gauge parentage that way. If a line does not appear on a will or transaction, leave them out. Most importantly, 3.5cM is not confirmatory. When you consider this line married heavily into the Jones family, you get a better idea of how you might be connected. At very least, note this as "legend" because it certainly isn't fact.

I'm not related to Linda and that's another reason this these trees need to be updated. The closest line I find here is Threewit. My Loves do not descend from this line and it's proven several times over. I can think of another Linda who may have had a hand in that. No doubt, we're all connected somewhere along the way. You're basically telling me that you string together a bunch of unconnected people and call it fact. Noted. I realize it's not your place to research but it's clear that no one actually has. What you need to do is detach anyone in this list who does not appear in the will of William Moss. Further, get the right William Moss. William Moss is Rappahannock is not William Moss in New Kent. Two different men. In reality, you should detach this William completely. He dies with no issue. Do you want a link to that record?

It would leave William Moss born 1688 in New Kent County to Thomas Moss. It's proven by baptismal records. No one knows who Thomas' father was. It should be left at that or noted as "Mr. Moss or Father Moss" and then preceded by the legitimate heirs YDNA line and make sure it is speculation until otherwise proven. I can provide a link to the YDNA study. William Moss born in Rappahannock had NO children. None. His sisters did. If you connect to the Crasks or Browns then it's a strong possibility William was a cousin, not a grandfather. Again, no heirs. The line stops there.

1687-1689 Old Rappahannock County, Virginia Order Book; [Antient Press]; Page 90-91
- Rappahannock County Court 3d of October 1688
Capt. GEO: TAYLER as Gardian to ELIZABETH MOSS, one of the Daughters of Mr. WM, MOSS of this County late deced, made Complaint to this Court that Whereas the sd WM: MOSS did by his last Will & Testament Ordeyne that if his Son or either of his Daughters should die without Issue that their real Estate should be devided equally between the survivours, And representing yt: WM. MOSS, Son of the sd WM. MOSS, lately dying without Issue, WM. BROWNE, who marryed FRANCES, the other Daughter of the sd WM. MOSS, doth refuse to make devision of the Estate Reall of the deced according to the intent of the last Will. The Court have therefore ordered that JOHN FENNER, WM. TALBOTT, THOS: NEWMAN SENR. & AWBREY NAYLER do on ye 10th day of this Inst. 8ber equally devide the lands bequeathed unto the sd WM. MOSS by the Last Will of his sd deced Father with house orchards & other conveniences thereto belonging according to Quantitie & Qualitie as neere as may be between the sd WM. BROWNE, as Marrying the sd FRANCES, & the sd Capt. GEO: TAYLER, as Gardian to & in the behalfe of the sd ELIZABETH & that they make report of their proceedings therein to the next Court held for this County

Thank you, Linda. What Rose Moss Scott did was paint a very broad stroke for her own Mosses. Most researchers get sucked into this vortex. I wouldn't be able to say that had I not been there once, myself. She was anxious to connect to social risers in a time when that must have been vital for whatever it was she was trying to accomplish... Lydia Moss Bradley and several influential ministers, etc. DAR mistakes out the wazoo everywhere you look. They are mistakes because they can certainly be disproven. My particular line brushed shoulders with these very Mosses in Putnam County Indiana in the 1800's. I can't help but think that's where they got the inspiration to fill in their own blanks. With regard to this line, including Sylvester whose descendants also go to Indiana, they appear to originate on the Virginia and Maryland border. That's where all their records are and that's also where the Craiks lived. There were no Craiks in this area, probably the continent, in 1700. They came in the 1730's and 40's. Washington's doctor, for example, would have been nearly 40 years older than his proposed sister Mary Jane, if that were the case. In reality, and if they are at all connected to the Rappahannock group, it would be Mary Jane Crask or possibly Crook spelled in Maryland as Croke or Crake. No one is exploring that, these days. Researchers do not take into account human biology. The clear drive with this lineage was to connect to a historical figure like Washington or his doctor. These Mosses do hail from Lancashire England. In the records there is no discernable connection to Edward the Boatwright who hailed from York County and, prior to that, London. Should anyone happen to read these notes and have questions, feel free to reach out to me. I can provide you with source data that may set you on the right track.

https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I6523... Use this page as often as you have questions about the Moss family in Virginia and Maryland. It will really clear things up. This research is far from perfect. The advantage is being able to read over the records. The reason Margaret Hopkings is being linked to William Moss and then William Moss linked to William Moss and Bridgett North is because William Moss the elder appears on transactions with Margaret's father. The most recent discovery that potentially links John Moss of Surry County with Robert Moss (1623 not 1633) who was the brother of William is a land transaction is Surry where Thomas Parker is named alongside John. In Robert's will, he leaves cattle to Thomas' children. It's assumed Eleanor Parker, Thomas' wife, was Robert's daughter. John Moss of Surry County was a Quaker and may have been disowned, dead, or both by the time Robert passes. This much is speculation. John Moss had a son called William. From later land transactions where she relinquishes her dower, his wife was Mary. The great thing about reading Northern Neck and Surry County Moss records is that they complement one another. There were also Moss business ventures in Maryland.

Also, Sylvester was born in 1690, or pretty close. There is no way he was the son of William, either. This Stafford County VA group is prolific. Triangulation says Sylvester and maybe even William belong with them. They also descend from a Thomas, not THE Thomas. Aside from that, this undated William Moss and Rebecca Mason union (I have not seen a reference with a date) will come from Stafford County, too. That's where William Moss has dealings with George Mason and likely married his daughter. This region and in Maryland is also where the Craiks lived when they arrived on this continent later. The other descendants of Thomas have dealings in Surry County (Brunswick) too. Jesse, for example. It appears to me as if Rose is trying to assemble records to fit someone's foggy recollections of someone else's recollections.

On a different note, the variants for Moss exist randomly. There is no rhyme or reason. It is in the eye of the person who was recording the transaction. Often, not a Moss. Morse is how the name started out and that's because Morse and Morris sound exactly the same, period. Richard Morris (he could have been Richard Morse) shows up in Isle of Wight County in the 1630's with a gang of Puritans. That would make him a Puritan. They were persecuted, ultimately.. and relocated to Maryland and others to New England. This opens the possibility that Richard Morse/Moss of Maryland was Richard Morris/Morse of Isle of Wight. If that is the case, it all falls into place, including their migration to Stafford County on the Virginia border. Also, abuse of the headright system where name variants and aliases are employed frequently to gain more land. Much more research needed on this theory though my line's records center around Surry County where John Morse Moss arrives around 1670. This crew loves to incorporate the Mason family, even though there were several different Mason lines, including Macon, pronounced much like Maison. He transacts with Thomas Parker in 1671. He skips church with Thomas Bird in 1674. They are Quakers. He married Thomas' sister Elizabeth, aswell. She is named as Elizabeth Moss in her father's will in the 1680's.

Having just poured over Surry County Records on Family Search (the handwritten documents, themselves) I not only proved my line but also its' origin. Unless it's through intermarriage later on, the descendants of John Moss of Surry County do not fit into the Moss family, at all.

John "Morse" arrives in 1670 in Surry County, and he's transported by John Goring. He is later mentioned with Mr. Goring under different spelling variants which, themselves, have been mistranslated from the original text. Those variants include: Morse, Moyell, Mores, and finally Moss... Morse/Moress (cursive double S looks like LL or Ls and Rs like Y's)/Mores.. see transcriptions to follow.

Where did John Moss come from? Where did the people he was transported with come from? John Rogers, who surfaces in some capacity later in Moss records, was a "Welchman" who escaped debt by running away. This is proven when James Goring mentions it in court.

I am led to believe John Morris originated in Wales along with John Rogers who is confirmed. Case in point, my YDNA results and a connection to other Morris males around the year 1625, that and the fact he arrives with another man from Wales, establishes this narrative better than any other misguided attempt ever has. Don't include us with the Mosses proper. If you see someone doing it, stop them. Our tree should say "Mr. Morris/YDNA haplogroup BY67465" where the father of John Moss is concerned, for now.

I don't know how much water it holds because more research is needed but the Moss Armisteads all have direct connections to York County. There were Lancashire Mosses there who don't appear to fit into the main Group..Andrew, Peter, and William. I have alot of stuff on Andrew. If you don't have it, go to Archive.org and check out York County Records 1660, or something to that effect. You have to have an account to check it out but it's free per hour. It is a priceless resource.