Nikolai Simo-son Huli and Maria Aleksandrova Huli from Hulila Wanhamoisio village

Started by Annaliisa Abramova on Wednesday, March 22, 2023
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I am throwing this out here in hopes for the best that someone has ideas how to identify these people from the pictures and the minimal information that I do have. There is a lot of guess work in here but still let's try perhaps we can figure it out together and connect the right people and branches. So story time.

Basically six years ago a very elderly Ingrian-Finnish woman (she was in her mid 90-ies at the time) Maria Liske from Poritsa village, Venjoki, Ingria together and with the encouragement of her only child sold to Viron Inkerinsuomalaisten Liitto several of her old family photos of Ingrian-Finns from Venjoki region in Ingria.

Maria Traat

Basically Maria Liske and her daugther wanted the photos to go somewhere where they would be appreciated and could be used by historians who research/write about Ingrian history. They didn't want to keep the photos themselves since, they didn't really know most of the people in the photos so Viron Inkerinsuomalaisten Liittos' archive got them and is their current home.

Maria Liske herself got the photos as a heirlooms from her aunt Maria Aleksandrova Huli who lived in Hulila (Wanhamoisio) village, Venjoki. Whether the Aleksandrova is a maiden name or a patronym I don't know. Since six years ago when I interviewed Maria Liske about the photos I wasn't in to geneaology yet so I didn't think to ask more info about the orginal owner of the photos, so now I am trying to identify the original owner & correct Maria Huli from Hulila village and connect the right family branches.

The things Maria Liske mentioned in the interview about the original owner of the photos is the fallowing.

Maria Aleksandrova Huli, lived in Hulila (Wanhamoisio village) and had an only son Nikolai Simon-son Huli, who had been drafted in to the Russian army and had died during the war, hence why Maria Liske got the photos as an heirloom. From Maria Huli's son's patronym Simo we can make a guess that Maria Aleksandrova Huli's husband was called Simo Huli from Wanhamoisio/Hulila.

I combed trough the 1924-1938 Venjoki rippikirja and did not find any fitting families. So they might not have been part of the congregation.

I did find a potential matching mother & son combo from the Wanhamoisio villagers list of 1942-1944.

There was listed one widowed Maria Huli born in 1888 who had a son Nikolai Huli born in 1913 who had been drafted to the army.
Maria Maksimovna Huli
&
Nikolai Simonson Huli

While the Venjoki 1924-1938 rippikirja and Wanhamoisio villagers list of 1942-1944 didn't have any fitting Simo Huli's I did find two potential
Simo Huli's from Wanhamoisio from the older 1885-1895 rippikirja who could be the potential husband of Maria Huli and father of Nikolai Simon-son Huli.

Simon Stephanss. Huli

Simon Johanss. Huli

Does anyone have access to the 1913 births and could check if you can find Nikolai Simon-son Huli's birth and parents from Venjoki?
Or if you can find a marriage between one Simo Huli and Maria Aleksandrova in Venjoki Wanhamoisio?

Thank you Christer!

Interesting if the documents are about the same person or were there two Nikolai Simo-son Huli/Guli's born in 1913.

In the first document it seems he went missing in December of 1941. This is definitely about him, the village matches.

In the second document a person with the same name arrived in a military unit in February of 1942 and lef the unit a month later in march 1942. Which would be several months later than the first document. The mystery deepens.

Annaliisa,

I have theori:
1. Communnication between lost mother and son lost because mother was on German forces territory and son - Red Army, other side. 12/1941
2. After that Nikolay was moved out as finn from Leningrad area 3/1943, see example:

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/memorial-chelovek_vpp100433585/
"по директиве ОУ штаба с группой нацминов (национальных меншинств) /финны/ 19/III [19]42 г[од]"

3. I guess Nokilay was moved to Komi/Siperia to трудовая армия like my grantfather.
4. Finally Nikolay dead there in the trud-armia

Does sound very probable.

Thanks to Ilona, we had a big breaktrough. She managed to access the Ingrian Immigration cards to Finland from the time of war for the family members.

From that we learned that the original owner of the photos was Maria Maksim-daughter Huli o.s. Aleksandrova, was born in 28.09.1889 Poritsa village, and she was the direct aunt of Maria Traat o.s. Liske

Maria Maksimovna Huli

Her parents were Maksim Aleksandrov and Tatjana Aleksandrova who were adopted by an ingrian-finnish family and got a new family name Susi.

Maksim Susi
Tatjana Susi

The couples older children continued to use the old family name Aleksandrov/a and the younger children used the new family name Susi. And in later documents and churchbooks both family names Aleksandrov/a and Susi were used intermixed for their children.

We still don't know his husbands Simo Huli's exact birth date, and how he is related to the other Huli's from Wanhamoisio village, but from the immigration card we learn he was born around 1877 in Wanhamoiso. So he was either a Russian Orthodox faith Simo Huli who is not in the Lutherian churchbooks, or from the upper profiles Simo Stephan-son Huli is a closer match.Sadly we don't have a marriage date for them. Can't go any further with his lines so far.
Simon Huli

Their son Nikolai Simo-son Huli was born in 28.09.1913, doesn't show up in Lutherian birth records, so was probably if Orthodox Faith.

Nikolai Simonson Huli

Thanks to Ilona a lot of the siblings and their spouses got connected to the family tree. So I am very happy with the progress.

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