Gudrød, Konge af Danerne, Godfredus , king of the Danes - Godfred/Gudrød konge af Danmark.

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Godfredus/Gudrød king of the Danes came to power someplace before the year 804. Here he is mentioned for the first time in the Frankish annals called Godfredus.
The timeframe would make it nearly impossible for him to be the brother of Sigfred which is already mentioned for the first time in 777, as a King, so at this time he must have been a grown man. Godfred is mentioned for the first time as King of the Danes in 804, if the brother of Sigfred he would have been an old man at that time, also since one of his sons was King until 854. It was unusual to grow very old in the timeframe. So, chronologically it fits that he is the son of Sigfred. It is debated if Sigfred is the same as Sigurd Ring who is the father of Ragnar Lodbrog according to the sagas. If so, that would make Gudrød the nephew of Ragnar Lodbrog but that can not be proven with the sources. But the facts are that he was related to Sigfred. Ragnar is also mentioned as helping the sons of Godfred to power. He was also likely related to Angantyr (Danish king), Danish king in the early 700s, mentioned as Ongendus in Willibrord's writings. The name is passed down in another branch of Gudrøds royal line.
In 845 Count Kobbo of Saxony (who was visiting Horik (The son of Godfred) writes that Regnar Lodbrog (referred to here as "Reginarius") supposedly was paid to leave Paris in 845. The same year that Hamburg was burned down. A fleet of 600 ships had been sent up the Elb. Horik claimed he had nothing to do with it, but many point to him being part of it, though it is said that the man who did the deed was apprehended by him. However, a fleet of 600 is no small amount, so it was a large army that arrived at Hamburg at that time.
When Gudrød is murdered in 810, his sons choose to flee to Sweden. It is thought that the murder was done by one of his own instigated by Charlemagne who feared what he would do. Gudrøds nephew Hemming is named king after him and he makes peace with Charlemagne. However, Hemming dies two years later and Gudrød's sons return home from Sweden wanting revenge. One of those sons of five was Horik 1. The other was not named in the stories by name. They pushed out the Kings Harald Klak and Ragnfred. They had been busy fighting a rebellion in the farmost part of their Kingdom in Vestfold in Norway. Upon their return Godfread’s sons attacked them. Though Harald Klak managed to be Co-king for a period of time, he was finally pushed out in 827.
“During the winter, Louis ordered the Saxons Obodrites to prepare for the invasion of Denmark. In May 815 the troops moved northward over the Elbe and reached Sinlendi (in South Jutland). Then they marched for seven days until they reached a shore, three miles from a certain island (possibly Funen). The four brother kings had gathered a fleet of 200 ships and were posted on the island, refusing to offer the imperial troops battle. The imperial envoy Baldrich let his troops ravage the districts in the neighbourhood, took 40 hostages, and returned without having achieved much. “
This event seems to have been proven with archaeology. The place called Erritsø, recently excavated, was a centre of power at the timeframe and was burned down. Perhaps by the imperial forces. The distance fits with this.
The Franks about the Kings Sigfred and that of Godfredus/Gudrød.
Pompous Asses or Ferocious Kings?
“Looking at the epithets attached to these two kings helps us to get a feeling for how the Carolingian court envisaged these men. Fundamentally, they were regarded as savages. Thus, in the poem by Peter of Piso, Sigfred was characterised as a king with more bluster than muster. Pompifer, he is called. Not an adjective often used, it derives from pompa, which means
procession or just in general ‘pomp’ as in ‘Pomps and Circumstances’. Cicero used it to describe a kind of rhetoric, which had gone off the wall. To this should be added the list of adjectives applied to the king by Paul the Deacon, in his poetical reply to the first poem. Here Sigfredd is characterised as truculentus, brutus, indocto and hirsutus, that is a ferocious, brutish, ignorant and hairy (unkempt) “kind of animal”.
This slightly “insane” quality may also be found in the characterisations dealt out to his son (or brother), Godfred, whom we are variously told was filled with vain ambition (vana spe) as well as pride (superbia) and ostentatious bragging (iactantia); or might even be considered mad (vaesenus). Especially Einhard in his biography of Charlemagne writes of a braggart filled with idle threats, who believed that he was lord of not only Frisia and Saxony but intended to take all Germany.” From medievalist article.
This name-calling is of course due to him being a power they had to consider, on top of the fact that he was not a Christian. In fact, this was the case early on with the first missionaries to the Danish realm. Angantyr was called "more savage than any beast and harder than stone" by the missionary Willinbrord. Though he lived to tell the tale about it.
- 731 Dannevirke extended. Perhaps initiated by Angantyr? Fits the timeframe. At the beginning of the 700s, he was visited by the missionary Wilibrord. Ribe was also founded as a trading town at the beginning of the 8th century. The Kanhave Canal at Samsø was built in the same timeframe. A larger unification of the Danish Kingdom largely as we know it today plus north Germany and that of Scania is likely already seen at this point.
- 772-804 The Frankish wars against the Saxons.
- 774. According to the Annals – “When he arrived at Ingelheim, he sent for detachments to Saxony. Three of them fought the Saxons and with God's help had the Victory; The fourth did not see battle but returned home with much booty and no losses.”
According to the Annals “775, While the King spent the winter at the villa of Quierzy, he decided to attack the triecious and treaty-breaking tribe of the Saxons and to persist this war until they were either defeated and forced to accept Christianity or entirely exterminated.”
This entry makes it very clear that the Saxons faced a choice of either being forcefully converted at the tip of the sword or being killed. This attitude was later enforced at the Paderborn.
Widukind is mentioned for the first time in 777. “The lord king Charles for the first time held a general assembly at Paderborn. All the Franks gathered there and from every part of Saxony came Saxons, with the exception of Widukind, who was in revolt with a few others. He fled with his companions into Nordmannia.”
The Franks usually call the Danes for Northmen or the area for Nordmannia, well aware that they speak of the Danes.
- 777-782 Exiled Saxons seek refuge with Sigfred, the Danish king. Widukind, the Saxon leader, was supposedly related to him by marriage. The Frankish royal annals: About the Danish King Sigfred.
Several revolts are spurred on by Widukind in this timeframe. He continues to be the leader of the Saxons.
From the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle: “780. Here the Old Saxons and the Franks fought.”
“782. At the time of King Charles crossed the Rhine at Cologne and held at the place where the Lippe rises; To which came all the Saxons except the rebellious Widukind. There were also Normans, King Sigfreds messengers, namely Halfdan and his fellows.”
“In either 782 or 785, the Carolingian ruler issued the Capitulatio de Partibus Saxoniae, an unprecedented series of legal directives which called for the deliberate and forcible conversion of the Saxon people to Christianity on pain of death.”
As can be seen by the entry in 775, the King had already made that decision and the later regulations were merely made to enforce them to the fullest. Not many from the church at this time argued against this forced conversion. Very few raised a voice against it. One such was Alquin, though praising the King in many ways and his counsellor on religious matters, he argued in a letter.
“Faith is a thing of will, not of necessity.”5 Alcuin continues, stating that “a man can be led into faith, not forced; he can be forced to baptism, but it will not help in faith.”
So, Alquin was against the forced conversion, though he supported the King and the wars against the Saxons. Charlemagne also had the full support of the Pope and other religious leaders of the church. Also, his complaints did not come until 796, which means years after the beginning of the Saxon wars. So, he was not so eager to stop the mission as much as the letter might lead you to believe.
An entry of what leads up to the Massacre at Verden. Here some of the Franks are killed in battle seemingly due to being overconfident.
-“ After Theodoric had pitched camp in this locality, the east Franks, as they had planned with the count, crossed the river, so as to be able to pass more easily around the mountains and pitched up camp at the riverbank. When they discussed matters among themselves, they feared that the honour of the Victory might be Theodoric’s alone if they should fight at his side. Therefore, they decided to engage the Saxons without him. They took up their arms and as if they were chasing runaways and going after booty instead of facing an enemy lined up for battle, everybody dashed as fast as his horse would carry him for the place outside of the Saxon camp where the Saxons were standing in battle array. The battle was as bad as the approach. As soon as the fighting began, they were surrounded by Saxons and slain almost to a man.”
“Two of the Frankish Envoys Adalgis and Gailo, four counts and up to twenty other distinguished nobles had been killed.”
In the entry, it continues.” When he heard of this Lord King Charles rushed to the place with all the Franks that he could gather on short notice and advanced to where the Aller flows into the Weser. Then all the Saxons came together again, submitted to the authority of the King and surrendered the evildoers who were chiefly responsible for this revolt to be put to death -Four thousand five hundred of them. This sentence was carried out. Widukind was not among them since he had fled into Nordmannia.”
So likely it was hostages and other Saxons that were executed at Verden. Many must have followed Widukind to the Danes and taken refuge here. It is also here that we begin to hear more of the Danish king and the Danes. They had had extensive trade with the Franks before this. But basically, the Saxon wars brought the Danes into contact with the Franks in a different way than before. There had been extensive trade between the Danes and Christian Europe. These wars brought the empire of the Franks to the doorstep of the Danes. And apparently, Sigfried was not as easy to handle as Charlemagne would have liked. Of Course, Sigfred would also have been aware that he would be next to be incorporated into the Frankish empire in the same manner as that of the Saxons and would do what he could for it not to be the case.
- 783-787 Known to the court of Charlemagne from 782 when Sigfrid was harbouring both the Saxon rebel Widukind and numerous other fugitives, this Danish king later came to feature in a couple of poems as a pompous or grandstanding (pompifer) man, who waved his spectre over a godless and accursed kingdom and whose comeuppance was secure: in the end, they prophesied, Sigfred was bound to arrive at court with his hands tied behind his back. Neither Thor nor Odin (Thonar et Waten) would help him, they claimed. These two sniggering poems were written sometime between 783 and 787 by Peter of Pisa (AD 744 – 799) and Paul the Deacon (AD 720 – 799). Characterised as occasional poems, their main objective was to stage the authors’ civilised superiority towards this northern king, whom they compare to a wild and hairy “beast”. As an undercurrent, we nevertheless get the impression that Sigfred was regarded as a significant opponent. During the Saxon wars, he seems to have aided and abetted his southern neighbours against Charlemagne. Why else write derogatory and defamatory poetry about him? The Carolingians must have been wary of Sigfred as they came to be of his son Godfred. Charlemagne had demanded that the Danes turn over the refuges. The Danes refused and prepared for war.
-789 The Franks discussed forcefully converting the Danes.
In The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, the first Danish raid is mentioned.
- “789, And his days came first 3 ships of Northmen from Hordaland and then then the reeve rode there and wanted to compel them to go to the king’s town because he did not know what they were, and then they killed him. These were the first ships of the Danish men who sought out the land of the English race.”
Note that they do say Hordaland which is in Norway, but southern parts of Norway were under Danish control in the Viking age, so these might well be connected to the Danish fight with the Franks.
- In 798 Sigfred is mentioned for the last time in the Annals in passing. “They spared only a few to obtain ransom for them. With the others, they also put to death Godescal, the King’s envoy, whom the king a few days before had sent to Sigifrid, king of the Danes.
- 804 Sometime between AD 799 and 804, his son Gudfred must have taken over. In AD 804, we meet him mustering his fleet as well as cavalry at Sliesthorp (the bottom of the Schlei near the future Haithabu). Godfred is undoubtedly prepared to defend his realm against the Carolingian transgressors, who not only intend to control the region north of the Elbe by setting up the Duke of the Abodrites, Thrasco, as a buffer against the Danes but also want to stop the fleeing Saxons to find refuge up north.
“804, At the same time Godofrid, king of the Danes, came with his fleet and his entire cavalry to the border of his kingdom and Saxony. He promised to show up for a conference with the emperor but was made vary by the council of his men and did not venture any closer. Instead, he communicated through envoys what he wanted to say. The emperor stayed at Hollenstedt on the river Elbe and sent an embassy to Godofrid to discuss the return of fugitives.”
- 808 Godfred/Gudrød attacked the Frankish allies the Abodrites, who had previously paid tribute to the Danes, and moved the merchants from Reric to Schleswig and reinforced Dannevirke. The Gate of Dannevirke - At that time, the Danish king Godfred waged war against Charlemagne. The Frankish king's historian tells of how Godfred destroyed the Slavic Baltic port of Reric and built a rampart. "It was to have only one gate, through which horses and carriages could be sent out and received", it says.
- 810 Godfred/Gudfred is murdered by one of his own men. It is speculated that Charlemagne was behind it – His nephew Hemming makes peace with Charlemagne.
- 811 or 812, Hemming Danish king from 810, a time characterized by civil war and several contemporary kings. Hemming was Gudfred's nephew and became king after he was killed. He immediately made peace with Charlemagne in 811; the killing of Gudfred was possibly agreed upon between Hemming and the Franks.
- 812 Two brothers become King of the Danes with Co-rule. Harald and Reginfred
- 812-813 Harald Klak, king. Harald was the nephew of a former King Harald and belonged to the branch of the royal family that came to power after the murder of Godfred in 810. When the sons of Godfred returned home from Sweden, Harald sought Frankish support to retain a share in power; he was baptized in 826 and returned home with Ansgar in his entourage but was expelled finally in 827.
- 813 Godfred’s sons rebelled and Horik 1, son of Godfred became the ruler of the Danes. It is said that Ragnar Lodbrog helped them with this. They did not want to recognize the peace made with the Franks. They wanted revenge. The Franks also helped the throne contester Harald Klak, who had been baptized. A new peace agreement had been made between the Franks and that of the two newly chosen kings, but this peace would not last. Later in the year, Harald and his brother were driven from their kingdom by Godfred's sons, who returned home from exile with the Swedes, accompanied by many nobles. After a failed attempt to regain power, during which Reginfred was killed, Harald appealed to the Franks for help. They had just had a new emperor, Louis the Pious, the only surviving son of Charlemagne who had died in January 814.
- 814 Charlemagne dies.
- 815 The Franks sought a final conquest of the Danish area. Erritsø is believed to be the place they reached. Here a royal hall has been excavated in recent years. in the spring of 815, Louis sent an army of Saxons and Abodrites to occupy Jutland, the army failed to confront Godfred's sons who retreated with the fleet to an island, probably Funen. According to the Frankish royal annals, Emperor Ludwig's troops did not succeed in contacting the Danes' army and navy in 815. After seven days of travel, they reached what we think could be the Little Belt. They waited here for three days while Godfred's sons, with a fleet of 200 ships, had gone 30 miles away, according to the annals "on an island thirty miles from the mainland." So basically, plundering the area. In fact, the Feudal system of the Franks was built that way. They received plunder as payment.
- The forces "returned to the emperor of Saxony" after having ravaged the whole of the surrounding country and had been given forty hostages by the people. " The crucial thing here, however, is that the studies that the Vejle Museums carried out together with the National Museum and funds from the Ministry of Culture's Research Committee and the Beckett Foundation show that the place may have played a role. Either as a defence against the advancing Imperial forces or by the fact that it was burned down at this very time by Emperor Ludwig's troops, who according to the sources ravaged the area.
- 817 A Danish fleet together with an army of both Slavs and Danes made an unsuccessful attack on the Itzehoefort.
- 819 Harald Klak becomes co-king for a while, together with Godfred's sons. The annals of 821 Repeat this statement above.
- 820 Raiders of 13 ships went up the Seine but were defeated.
- 823 Harald asks the emperor to help him against the other kings. He did not receive the help he had hoped for.
- 825 A peace agreement was made between the Danish Kings and of the emperor.
- 827 Harald Klak was baptized.
- 827 Harald Klak was expelled from Denmark.
- 831 became archbishopric under Ansgar and the centre of the mission in the north.
- 814-840 – Louise the Pious whose reign continued the prosperity and stability of the region and who held the Danes at bay through bribes and favours
- 840 – Louis the Pious 3 sons fight for power.
- 841 – The first major attack by the Norsemen came in this year. Viking chief Asgeir sacked and burned Rouen and looted the Monastery of Fontenelle and the Abbey of Saint-Denis. The amount of plunder and the number of captives taken was significant. Those prisoners whose families or friends could pay the Vikings a ransom were returned; the others were sold as slaves. Asgeir left the region a wealthy chieftain
- 843 – The 3 sons of Louise divided the empire between them.
- 845 – Danish King Horik I, son of Godfred, conquered Hamburg, ravaged the town and burned down its church, the relics of which Ansgar just managed to save. In March of the same year, the Vikings of Ragnar Lodbrog sailed up the Seine and plundered Paris with 120 ships. He was paid to leave. “The emperor held two assemblies. One was at Nijmegen because Horic, son of Godfrid, had falsely promised to appear before the emperor…In the meantime the kings of the Danes, that is, the sons of Godfrid, deprived Harald of his share in the kingship and forced him to leave Nordmannia (trans. Scholz, p.137)” The Franks, that had not won terrain with the military tried to gain influence by politics and helping contenders that were favourable to them. This is likely the cause of Horik’s attack on Hamburg. The missionary took years to rebuild and for the time after it was moved to Bremen.”
Pictures of a coin found at Ribe and from the timeframe of Godfred.

Godfredus is evidentially a person documented in primary sources:

Europäische Stammtafeln shows him as the son of King Halfdan, but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified. ES says he succeeded as Godefrid King of the Danes. King of Vestfold, Hedeland, Vaermland, Westmare and Hedemarken https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/DENMARK.htm#GevaMWidukindSaxonydie...

776

  • The Annales Ryenses record that "Karolus Imperator" came with all his army against "Godefrith regem Daciæ" in 776 [Annales Ryenses, MGH SS XVI, p. 397.].
  • Adam of Bremen names "rex Godafridus" as the Danish leader against whom Emperor Charlemagne made war [Adami, Gesta Hammenburgensis Ecclesiæ Pontificum I.16, MGH SS VII, p. 291.].

804

  • The Royal Frankish Annals record that King Godefrid exchanged envoys with Emperor Charles in Schleswig in 804 [RFA, 804, p. 83.].

808

  • Einhard records a dispute between "Drasconem ducem Abodritorum" and "Godelaibum alium ducem…et cum eis filium fratris sui…Reginoldum", the latter being killed in 808 [Einhardi Annales 808, MGH SS I, p. 195. ].
  • The Royal Frankish Annals record that King Godefrid attacked the Obotrites in 808 and destroyed their commercial centre at Reria [RFA, 808, p. 88. ].

809

  • Einhard records that "Thrasco dux Abodritorum" was killed by "hominibus Godofridi" in "emporie Rerie" in 809[Einhardi Annales 809, MGH SS I, p. 196. ].

810

  • The Royal Frankish Annals record that King Godefrid attacked the Frisians in 810 [RFA, 810, pp. 91-2. ].
  • The Royal Frankish Annals record that King Godefrid was murdered by one of his retainers [RFA, 810, pp. 91-2. ].
  • Einhard records the death of "Godefrido Danorum rege" in 810 and the succession of "Hemmingus filius fratris eius"[ Einhardi Annales 810, MGH SS I, p. 198. ].

... so Godfrid is first mentioned as King of the Danes in 776.

Europäische Stammtafeln names Sigurd as King Godefrid's brother but without primary sources says Cawley.

There are records of this Sigurd being killed in battle in 808 with his son Reginold [Ragnvald]:

  • Einhard records a battle between "Drasconem ducem Abodritorum" and "Godelaibum alium ducem…et cum eis filium fratris sui…Reginoldum", the latter being killed in 808.
  • The Royal Frankish Annals name "Reginold, his [King Godefred's] brother's son" when recording that he was killed fighting the Obotrites.
  • The Annales Fuldenses record the battle between "Godafridus rex Danorum" and the Abotrites in which "Reginoldo filio fratris sui" was killed.
  • Einhard records a battle between "Drasconem ducem Abodritorum" and "Godelaibum alium ducem…et cum eis filium fratris sui…Reginoldum", the latter being killed in 808

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/DENMARK.htm

So it appears to be the Royal Frankish Annals - a very primary source, contemporaneous to the events it records - that places Sigurd as Godefred's brother

But this doesn't make him the same SIGEFRID [Sigurd] ([750]-798) who was the First "King of Haithabu" recorded by The Annales Fuldenses "Sigifridi regis Danorum" sent "Halbdani…cum sociis suis" as missi to a council held by Charles I King of the Franks at "Lippia"

Cawley pointedly places the date of death (from ES?) as 798, which differentiates the two Sigurds quite distincly. https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/DENMARK.htm#_ftnref31

Anette Guldager Boye I would agree that the two Sigurds are plausibly different, and that King Godefrid isn't proved to be the brother of King Sigurd - but can you explain what proof we have to show that King Godefried is actually King Sigurd's son? I may be reading too fast, but I'm not seeing it as more than conjecture above.

Sigfred, is and was the King of the Danes prior to Godfredus. The Danes usually picked the succession as one from the royal house. Usually the child of of the former king. If there is no direct line from father to son it is mentioned. Such as Hemming being the Newphew of Godfredus. When it comes to Sigfred/Sigurd, I am not entirely convinced they are the same. It is plausible but not much to base it on. Ragnar is mentioned as a King of the Danes, which can mean a co-king or a sea king next to that of Horik. Many of those mentioned as such were of the Danish royal line. .So in another way, those who became Kings in the Danish area were always picked from the same royal house. When from another line it is every so often mentioned. Also as for Godfredus/Gudrød and that of Sigfred, the timeline of when he is mentioned. There was no Godredus as King of the Danes before 804, so he followed right after Sigfred. He was not simultaneous. This is also clear when it comes to the Frankish annals. In Sigfred's timeframe, they only mention Sigfred, as King, Godfred.
So the Sigurd from the stories mentioned in Gesta Danorum can not be said for sure to be Sigfred but we have a Sigfred mentioned from 777 as King of the Danes, and straight after he is followed by Godfredus, also mentioned by the Frankish annals. So I do not believe that we should mix Sigurd and Sigfred together. Those two cannot be proven to be the same in any way. What we do know for a fact is that Sigfred appears for the first time in the Frankish annals as King of the Danes. and Godredus is mentioned in 804. SIgfred is dead between the years 798-804, 798 is the last time he is mentioned in the Frankish sources. After that Godfred appears. Also, the same names appear again and again in the same family. We also have Angantyr in another branch of this royal house. An Angantyr is the King Willibrord mentioned in his writings. On top of that, we have a second Horik who is the son of Horik. If Godfred is the brother of Sigfred he would have been an old man at the time he became King. That is unlikely, also taking into account that his son Horik lived to be king in 854. So there is basically two options, either he is the brother which the timeframe makes highly unlikely or he is his son. This is in fact what we are convinced of the Danish historians.
This is what is said in the book by Jeannette Varberg who is a Curator at the Danish National museum.
In 798 Charlemagne returned to Saxony in Northern Germany to fight down the resistance and conquered the whole Saxon area up to the border of the Danes.
At this time Sigfred was an elderly King and Charlemagne tried to put pressure on him so that the Saxons could not flee to the Danes again. A great part of the Saxon royal lines fled to the Danes after the Franks conquered the area. They made a deal but the year after the deal between the Danes and the Franks the Danish king died and his son Godfred became King. Godfred was not friendly towards the Franks. and he refused to return the refugees to the Franks."
Godfredus, GUdrød we also know under the name the Great. "Den Store"

You are to remember that Godfredus/Gudrød was a warrior King and went to battle himself. If he was as old as that of Sigfred it is highly unlikely that would be possible. The timeline would be 777- at this time he would be a grown man, possibly even not a young man. Here Sigfred is mentioned as King.
As for being King of Hatahabu. We know today that they were not just Kings of Hatahbu or a limited area of what is today's Denmark. This has been confirmed by archaeology.
In fact, the excavation at Erritsø has shown that the Danish Kings were Kings on both sides of the Belts. That would be both in Jutland and Zealand.
"There is a lot of research to suggest that the Danish Kingdom was a united Kingdom similar to what we see in today's Denmark already around the 7th century. The latest finds are from Erritsø.
The hall and defence rampant at Erritsø may have been founded much earlier than we thought
New excavations confirm that the hall at Erritsø had an important strategic location, was perhaps a royal farm and may have been founded as early as the late 6th century.
An older hall shows a long space and place continuity
The investigations showed that, overall, the Erritsø settlement was potentially founded in the first half of the 7th century, perhaps even late in the 6th century - depending on whether we estimate a phase to last 30 or 50 years. The C-14 dating that the National Museum is in the process of doing should help clarify that.
During the excavations, approximately 60 meters southeast of the fortified study area from the 8th century, another 50-metre-long hall appeared (due to the size of 50 meters and 11 meters width, we also call it a hall).
Excavations of the new hall show that it had three phases, meaning that it was rebuilt at least three times (Figures 1 and 2). This is an important observation because it has thus had a lifespan of approximately 150 years, what we call site continuity here - that the house was located on the same site
We can assume that because such a building have stood for 30-50 years before it had to be rebuilt.
As the two large farms in the area together have five construction phases, this gives up to 250 years in the same place (ie within a radius of 60 metres), which means that the newly found hall may have been built late in the 6th century.
Thus, the Erritsø locality has longer site continuity (having been in the same place) than Jelling ever had a few decades later.
It is important to know how long they have lived in the area because, firstly, it underpins the place's importance, strategically and in terms of power.
Secondly, it is important because the site's long continuity and the shape of the hall can be compared with elitist localities in Zealand, especially Tissø, Lejre and Järrestad – places that have been associated with the early royal power in Denmark.
These last three places are particularly distinguished by having been in the same place for many hundreds of years.
Which building came first?
As it appears from observations from two field seasons, the two halls respected each other. By that, we mean that they were not built on top of each other - which in theory could mean that they were contemporaneous, i.e. that there were several contemporaneous noblemen's farms in several phases in the same place.
However, during the excavation in the field, it turned out that one of the fences in the new neck courtyard is covered by the moat from the fortified courtyard to the west, which we dates to the 8th century.
This important observation must, until other scientific dates are available, substantiate that the hall furthest to the east (i.e. the one we have just found) is the oldest.
Also interesting is that this older phase of the Great Man's hall that we excavated this year does not have a moat and palisade (a fence of tapered posts) like the younger hall to the west.
There is therefore not the same defensive dimension at the hall we have just excavated as there is at the previously investigated one. It is strange (Figure 3).
"Source Vejle museum."
So not just a small part of Denmark as in Hatahsbu. In fact, only one place runestones at Hathabu say some king rule over just that area. and that would be at the end of the 10th century before the Jelling dynasty took over. This is after Horik the 2. The big Sigtryg stones were raised around 938. Most definitely nothing to suggest that he is a son of a Halfdane.
Ragnar is mentioned as likely the Reginherus who was paid to leave Paris in 845, the same year Hamburg was burned down. 600 ships were sent up the Elb. to attack Hamburg. That makes Ragnar's simultaneously with that of Horik, who was the son of Godfred.
Chronologically being the brother of Sigfred simply does not fit. Neither does that Sigurd is the same as that of Sigfred. If so Ragnar would have been a rather old man in 845, and his sons would be too when they arrived with the great heathen army in 865.

Shew, lot's of really interesting stuuf there. So Sigfrd is not just king of Hath

What we do know for a fact is that Sigfred appears for the first time in the Frankish annals as King of the Danes. and Godredus is mentioned in 804. SIgfred is dead between the years 798-804, 798 is the last time he is mentioned in the Frankish sources. After that Godfred appears.

So nothing places them as father as son?

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