Godfrey Fleetwood Rawstorne - his own grandson.

Started by Sharon Doubell on Saturday, November 4, 2023
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Allan Stuart McDonald about this profile: https://www.geni.com/people/Godfrey-Fleetwood-Rawstorne/60000000268...

Sharon, Are you able to move this profile up two generations?
At present he is his own grandson.

Allan Stuart McDonald they've got differently named fathers - why do you think they're the same people?

The profile was added without dates and the wife was not named. I found the profile while busy with another Rawstorne and when I added Hendrika Johanna Swart 1880 - 1934 it became apparent that layers have been duplicated.
The dates overlap by a lot where Godfrey Fleetwood 1865 - 1948 is the son of Petrus Johannes 1912 - 1970

Godfrey Fleetwood Atherton Rawstorne 1865-1948 is the son of James Rawstorne 1834-1878 and the father of Petrus Johannes Jacobus Rawstorne 1912-1970.

All perfectly normal overlaps?

Petrus Johannes Jacobus Rawstorne 1912-1970 's son Godfrey Fleetwood Atherton Rawstorne has no dates - so there is no conflict possibility at all.

Godfrey Rawstorne 1865 - 1948 is the husband of Hendrika Swart 1880 - 1934 and father of
Petrus Johannes Rawstorne 1912 - 1970 who is the father of
Godfrey Rawstorne undated and is the husband of Hendrika Swart 1880 - 1934 and father of
Petrus Johannes Rawstorne 1912 - 1970 who is the father of
Anna Helena Rawstorne 1945
There is an obvious circle going on here.

Hendrika Johanna Rawstorne 1880 -1934 added by you as the 15 yr younger wife to Godfrey Fleetwood Atherton Rawstorne 1865-1938, and the 32 year old mother of Petrus.

Whereas Ian has Hendrika Johanna Rawstorne 1881-1934 as the 20 yr older wife to Godfrey Fleetwood Atherton Rawstorne that the programme estimates has to have been born in 1900 in order to have been the unlikely son of a 12 year Petrus, and the 5 yr old father of Godfrey Fleetwood Rawstorne 1905-161, and Petrus Johannes Jacobus Rawstorne 1912-1970.

Ahhh, I see the loop :-)

Cross-posted, sorry :-/

Allan, can you uploaded source documents that we can work from to validify and MP the profiles as we go?

I've done som unlinking - check now

Going through James Rawstorne's death notice, Godfrey Fleetwood Atherton is not one of his children, or it is a corruption of Adam Godfrey and Fleetwood Edwin.
John Atherton should read John Alexander based on the same document.
Perhaps a large branch was incorrectly added to James d.1878
Godfrey is currently linked on FamilySearch to James as a son.

Godfrey Fleetwood Atherton Rawstorne died in Rhodesia in 1948
"Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:624V-9GZR : 14 June 2023), Godfrey Fleetwood Atherton Rawstorne, ; Burial, , Zvishavane District, Midlands, Zimbabwe, Zvishavane Cemetery; citing record ID 253789856, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.

Please call me back here this weekend to help you fix it.

Its weekend. I have searched all my resources and cannot find an official document that connects James and Godfrey Fleetwood Atherton Rawstorne.
They are each accurate as per available documents, but cannot be certified as father and son.
Not sure where to put him for now.

Is Godfrey Fleetwood Atherton Rawstorne not the Child Adam Godfrey Rawstorne mentioned on James Rawstorne' DN?

Ie the profile called Godfrey Fleetwood Atherton Rawstorne, without other primary sources being provided, should be renamed Adam Godfrey Rawstorne as he is called in James Rawstorne' DN?

Doing that - pending the provision of primary sources for the names Godfrey Fleetwood Atherton.

I see that the date of death matches as well as place of death. Barring a tragedy there is little chance of that. Clicking on that link in FamilySearch takes you to Godfrey Fleetwood's notice.
However, accepting that mistakes are made on death notices, that's quite a mistake.
Or, he was generally known as Godfrey Fleetwood Atherton, or the last person filling in his details didn't really know.
A final thought. I have dealt with another profile, that during certain times in Zimbabwe, that names were changed in order to prevent police or government action against individuals.

His sister Annie Amelia was also born in 1865. No exact date, so either twins or late 1865

Police intervention is an interesting thought I've never had.

Won't you post the link to his DN? - we may as well get it right for him.

DNs often have naming errors though - I'd presumed because they're relying on the version of one family member's memory.

Godfrey Fleetwood was also captured as a prisoner of war in 1900 during 2nd Anglo boer war.
No Atherton and no Adam.

Adam Godfrey was supposedly born in 1865.
a death notice for Godfrey Adam shows 1861. He died in 1938

If we add Ernest Alfred to the mix we have triplets.
Godfrey Fleetwood's death notice link is in the discussion above

That's a find a grave index, as far as I can see? Not a DN.

In that link there is a breakdown of family and dates.
Philip has some contact with family and may have insight.

Is it not possible to just disconnect Godfrey from James's tree.
Each appears to have plenty of documentation, just not to one another.

There is mention of an Adam Godfrey on the father's DN - this is a link to this profile.

Is it not possible to just disconnect Godfrey from James's tree until a definitive link is established

Why, though? This profile was obviously created for the son Adam Godfrey on the DN.

Why not just create a new profile for the docs you have for Godfrey Fleetwood Atherton Rawstorne.

Let me look and see if there was a merge in it's history

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