Gertrudis of the Bavarians - Family of Gertrudis of the Bavarians & Carloman

Sharon Elizabeth Richards further messages to profile managers of Carloman of Landen on 23 January 2024:

Carloman of 550-c645 was not the mayor of the palace under Lothaire who lived c 795-855 - I find no records of any mayor of the palace of this name during his time.

I believe she’s correct and that the profile on geni took on attributes from another Carloman.

But again, I’m not a Charlemagne scholar.

I see comments from https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pippinid-1 by Sharon:

This is a fictitious person - there is no historical reference of him anywhere, nor of Gertrude of Bayern. He is not listed as a Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia, because the position did not exist in his lifetime. The profile has been picked up by Geni, Geneanet and Stamboom without relevant historical references. He has been conflated with Carloman, son of Pippin who lived in the 7th century.

I am really tempted to agree. :(

Comments at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Agilofing-10 by Sharon:

Gertrude of Bavaria is not listed as a child of Garipald and Waldrada; furthermore, she was not the Abbess of Nivelle, that was Getrude of Austrasia, the daughter of Pepin the Elder and Itta of Metz. Her sister was Begga, who married Ansgisel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_of_Nivelles. Gertrude of Bavaria, if she existed, had nothing to do with Carloman of Landen who lived 713-740 of anybody else in Belgium - she lived in Bavaria if she lived at all..... there are no sources to confirm her existence.

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Livio Scremin - you had looked into Garibald I, duke of the Bavarians

What’s his family in simple words?

Who were the parents of Adalgisel Grimon currently showing as Gamardus Babon d'Angouleme & Waldrade de Landen

Waldrada shows as the daughter of possibly fictional Carloman & Gertrudis.

Livio Scremin - done for Theolinda & Childebert.

The children of Garibald & Waldrada, according to Medlands

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIA.htm#Garibald

a) GUNDOALD (-murdered 612). Gundoald I, duke of Asti
b) THEODELINDIS. Theodelinda, queen consort of the Lombards
c) daughter . Paulus Diaconus records that "Euin dux Tridentinorum" married "filiam Garibaldi Baioariorum regis"[40]. m EVIN --- (needs to be added)

Cawley shows no parents for

1. TASSILO, son of --- (-609). TASSILO I Duke of Bavaria 591. Tassilo I, duke of the Bavarians

Grimoald d'Aquitaine is mentioned at https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garibaldo_I_di_Baviera#Famiglia_e_figli but no article

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romilda_(duchessa) (also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romilda_of_Friuli, wife of Duke Gisulf II of Friuli.)

Here’s Romilda mentioned at https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garibaldo_I_di_Baviera#Famiglia_e_figli

Added daughter of Garibald I & Evin

Detached aa children of Garibald I & Waldrada:

Tassilo I, duke of the Bavarians

Grimoald d'Aquitaine

Gertrudis of the Bavarians

Removed occupation of “major domus” from profile for Carloman of Landen and updated name to Carloman of Landen.

That would better fit the speculative origins of Pepin of Landen who is said to have had a sister Waldrada.

Any objections or comments so far?

It’s a speculative origin for Pepin by Settipani. Comment from 10 years ago:

Her identity is part of the complex question about the reconstruction of the Arnulfing dynasty. Eckhardt noted that the children of Saint Itta and Pépin of Landen have the Agilolfing names Grimoald, Gertrude and perhaps Gerberge (Karl August Eckhardt, Merowinger Blut - I Die Frauen und ihre Karolinger, Witzenhausen, 1965, p. 23-59). It is likely that one of them was a grandchild of Garibald (died 590), duke of Bavaria and his wife Waldrada, but also unlikely that they were first cousins. Scholars are split on the question, but Pépin had a sister Waldrada so it is more likely that the Agilolfing connection came from his ancestors than from Itta's. If so, the wife of Carloman and mother of Pépin must have been a daughter of Garibald and Waldrada. - Justin Swanström, Dec. 2, 2013.

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However, calling Carloman a major domus was sheer goofiness.